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The other thread locked, so I figured I'd open another. I'm guessing until he officially signs somewhere, there will be people wanting to talk about him.



Coolio, I refered to him in my post directly before your reply, so I was just checking.

As per saying I don't wanting him in the first round over and over not cutting it, I can appreciate that. I watched 4 or 5 of his games this year, and a couple in previous years.

What I like:
+His production is unquestionable.
+He's a passionate dude
+From what I've seen and read, he's liked by his teammates and coaches
+Accuracy
+Good enough arm
+Very good athlete
+pretty good pocket awareness, and shows the ability to get out of trouble


What I question:
+His size
+Mechanics and footwork need improvement (but I think they're coachable)
+Immaturity reminds me of Manziel-lite
+Not sure him being somewhat of a gunslinger will translate
+While not a Mike Leech offense, his offense was very QB friendly


What I don't remember:
+his ability to lead receivers
+time under center
+can he read defenses and adjust


I think he's part Manziel, part Russell Wilson, part Jeff Garcia. If he's more of the latter 2, whatever NFL team gets him will be at least content, if not happy or very happy. If he's more of Manziel, then he may have a short career. Because of the above, I wouldn't take a chance on taking him at 1 or 4. Late first maybe, second or later yes.

I like your NE pick, I can see that. The other team I can see is New Orleans.

CHAD JOHNSON SAYS KIRK COUSINS WILL SIGN WITH CLEVELAND BROWNS, JOE THOMAS SAYS TEAM IS THE FAVORITE

http://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/sport...te/95-513539574

I trust Ocho Cinco.

I had 10 seconds of hope.


I was all happy and then that nagging thought of the 80's playoff games where John Elway and the Broncos bite us in the butt in the final seconds crept in.


I'm all sad now.

I still think too many people are unfairly critical. I die a little inside when people in the media, and social media, complain that Cousins wants to join a winner and thus the Browns aren't an option - but the 5-11 Jets and Broncos are?

Give me a break.

I'm right there with Ocho. The Browns have an already-exciting young foundation to work with. Gordon, Johnson and Njoku are not only excited, but they'll undoubtedly be boosted by additional skill options for a quarterback to utilize.

I'm also there with Thomas. What the Browns have, that no other team offers, is an incredible capacity to build upon the existing talent. It's a young team with cap space and draft picks to do something special. I'd take that over the 5-11 teams with an older roster and far fewer assets to build with.

Why not us? The stigma is worse than the reality. Anyone can stare at the record and see a team going nowhere. I think anyone objective is going to see a team with incredible potential and exciting options to grow into a window of contention with.

It doesn't mean we will sign Cousins, but I'm not buying the idea that the Browns have zero chance.

I always liked Chad ...

Brian Russell hit him harder than I thought.

A sentence I have never heard before, or seen in print before.

I forgot about that hit! Lol, thanks for the reminder.

Regarding the Ochocinco tweet, someone noticed that Allen Robinson liked it on Twitter. Just checked for myself, and he indeed did.

An elite, free agent receiver liking a tweet about a pro-bowl, free agent quarterback going to Cleveland? Mhmm.

Christian Kirksey also retweeted Ochocinco's tweet, saying, "definitely would have talent around him."

I would literally ROTFLMAO for 24 hours if it came out that Cousins Accepts LESS $ to Sign with CLEVELAND.

Cousins isn't my primo choice but if he is, so be it.

I IMMEDIATELY Move the #1 pick to Denver for a HAUL and instruct the person responsible for handing in the CARD to put 3 names on it at 4 and 5.

IN THIS ORDER.

Barkley
Minkah-Fitzpatrick
Chubb

That'd be a great spot to be in!
The promise of primo talent coming in would almost certainly be a factor.

I'm still thinking Chad Johnson doesn't have a clue what's on Cousins mind...

Dear Christian,

There is no talent on this team. See my opening press conference.

With love,
John Dorsey

Or these guys think it's April Fool's Day!

Now you know the feeling!

j/c:

I still haven't decided whether or not I want the Browns to sign Cousins. I finally figured out why I am indecisive about this decision.

I really, really want the Browns to draft Rosen w/the first overall pick and I feel that we won't do that if we sign Cousins.

On the other hand, I am not real confident in the Browns choosing Rosen even if they don't sign Cousins and I would much rather have Cousins than any of the other qbs in the draft. The prospect of the Browns taking either Allen or Mayfield at #1 is like a nightmare.

Oh, and these are only my opinions and I understand that there are people who don't like Rosen and love either Allen or Mayfield.

If we can land a guy like cousins, then you can go after Fitz and Barkley with the first two picks or maybe trade down for more picks, pickup a mayfield, allen or rudolph later Thats going to go a long way to the rebuild. I like Rosen and Darnold but its a devil you know vs the devil you don't, Cousins has proven he can play in the NFL, Rosen is fragile and I think Darnold is a year or two away. If Rosen didn't already have concussion issues I'd say yeah no brainer(no pun). The great thing is we have a ton of capital to change this overnight. Next year should be exciting, I think we probably are looking for 5-6 players from this draft, I think we need to draft some special teams headhunters in the later part of the draft and not projects. WE have enough of those.

if we land cousins, they can either go BPA, or sell the #1 to the highest bidder.

but i wouldn't budge at #4.

I get the overall feeling of what you're saying. I think Cousins is a top notch QB that improves this team tremendously and allows the Browns to build other positions in the draft. That being said, I think many of us have that QB coming out that we just have to have on the Browns and don't want to see him go somewhere else and be a 15 year superstar. It's a question of a bird in the hand or 2 in the bush. For me that guy is Darnold. Like others with their guy, I just have a feeling about him. It's more than that, too. I love what I see in how he just seems to lead a team, doesn't get rattled, and has risen to the occasion often. He reminds of Brett Favre (both the good and the bad). I guess time will tell in all cases.

I don't dislike Rosen, it's just that he scares me more than Darnold, why, well he has a history of concussions for one and also his attitude (if reported correctly), that's why I would rather draft Darnold, if we pick Rosen I wouldn't be disappointed ...

I'm thinking Chad Johnson doesn't know whats going on in his OWN mind. '

Cousins

trade back from #1 to a team who wants Rosen

keep #4 and draft Fitzpatrick .. end up with a TON of picks

Reported Cousins wants top QB money.

We know Cousins is a good QB. The question for me is whether or not Cousins is good enough to pay ~30 mil per? At Cousin's ,reported, asking price is there still enough left to build a championship team?

Agree 100%.

I think trading down from 1 could net us the 5th or 6th pick and a hatful of other picks including next year's 1 .... And we'd be very likely to snag Barkley and Minka at the top of the draft and then have a ton of ammo to move back up for more top talent in this draft.

Signing Cousins potentially could mean:

Starting QB. A #1 CB. An elite RB. A future #1 next year and collateral to move up this year and take more top talent in a deep draft class. It's a hell of a remedy to get good quickly.


No matter which Quarterback you like in the draft, they all come with risk. There is potential for some of them to be great. But there is equal potential for some of them to be busts including the one you think is a can't miss prospect

If we traded down any lower than to 5 w/ Denver, I would have a stroke.

IF Kirk is on the table forecasting his salary in terms of team building is something the FO will have to factor in their decision making process.

And maybe the answer is yes, they believe there is enough to pay Kirk his reported ~30 mil per and still build a championship caliber team.

But lets make no mistake.....this team is not a QB away and has many areas that need to be addressed with all that cap space.

With Cleveland sports, every day is April Fool's day!

Kirk is in his prime and he is a proven QB. You pay him whatever it takes and to hell with cap numbers. If we don't have to draft a QB then we have two top five picks that can both gain us game changing talent.

There are also some very good CBs hitting FA so say we get saquan and fitz then we have an explosive offense and quite possibly an extremely dominant defence for a VERY long time.

to me if they don't do everything possible to make SURE they get Cousins they are crazy. If we just can't land him then we can't land him. But I better hear we offered him the most money in the NFL for a QB in the history of football with the cap space we have. If that ain't good enough then he can go where the sun don't shine.

I think he signs with us or the Cardinals. We can out pay them by a LOT though.

Cousins: I'll prioritize winning over money if I hit free agency

https://www.thescore.com/news/1476655

He's actually been saying this consistently.

To me, I don't know why I should assume that we are going to get the same production of Cousins as he gave in Washington...


To me Cousins is like going 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 over the next 3 years.... whereas if we take the best quarterback in the this draft, it could be like going 5-11, 9-7, 13-3.

I'm taking the latter.

Yet his agent has made it clear to Washington that he was looking for ~30 mil and he wouldn't have accepted the same deal that Washington gave Smith.

Kirk @ ~30 mil

or

Vet of your choice + insert your rookie QB here

so we have the least amount of chance to land him ... NYJ, DEN (who I think have the best shot), AZ, JAX all have better chances

If we win games it is worth it, simple as that in my opinion.

I'd offer the exact deal Matt Stafford signed in Detroit. But with some front loading.

Stafford signed a 5 year, $135,000,000 contract, including a $50,000,000 signing bonus, $92,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $27,000,000. Stafford’s cap hit in year one was $16,500,000.

I'd offer Cousins the same deal, but front load some of the guarantees (first year roster bonus for example) say $25m or so, making his first year cap hit around 42 million. With a reported 118m avaialble, we'd still have 76m to play with. This also releives future salary caps.

That could very well mean he doesn't wish to remain in Washington. I don't know. But let's face it, he's done about everything humanly possible to show Washington he doesn't want to sign long term with them.

All I can tell you is what Cousins has been saying about his plans as a FA. According to him his decision will not simply be based on the top bidder.

Well that's really not what I'm trying to say. With the FO we have in place and Haley as our OC, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Dorsey can make certain guarantees to Cousins that could entice him to come here. I'm not saying that's a strong possibility but stranger things have happened.

My position is that those saying that all we have to do is throw the most money at him doesn't in any way line up with what Cousins has said about signing with a team in free agency.

I think the Browns are in the hunt for Kirk.

Kirk wants to a team to want him to be 'their' guy, he wants to win and he wants market value.

I think Kirk is a good short term move and wins games soon; I wonder about where it puts the organization long term team building though.

It is hard for good organizations to pay elite QBs max money and still field a championship level team.

Just another facet of the Kirk decision that may or may not resonate.