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I always talk football, nothing ever personal, but you obviously have issues with my opinions from the stand point they are different than yours.

My point with my post (and it wouldn't matter who said it) is that I dont think there as many "short" quarterbacks who don't make it as you think, or that there are just as many tall quarterbacks who don't make it.

Your post suggests that thousands of "short" quarterbacks who are given a shot don't make it. I believe that's simply not true and misleading. I think if you started to name quarterbacks you would also see this.


I think the problem you have with me is that you post a lot of untruths or unproven information but proclaim it as fact and I challenge it. Its the same thing you do to me and other posters. You seem to feel it's ok for you to call out posters but you take it personal when it happens to you and get defensive.

A lot of people choose to ignore your posts or block them (maybe mine too), but when you post about football I like to read them. You have some meaningful and insightful opinions. What you say about short quarterbacks may be true and I'm wrong. I feel like you said it because you really don't want Mayfield rather than speak what's true. Who are these thousands of short failed quarterbacks?

This is just a message board and it's a shame two posters can't have football banter because one dislikes the other but really doesn't even know who he is. Like I said I don't have any issues with you, but maybe you're right, maybe it's best for the board if we don't reply to each other.

Good day, sir.

j/c:

I didn't watch the game, but I saw Mayfield went 3 of 7 for 9 yards. How did he look in the pocket?

He was mostly accurate. 2 of 4 misses, he hit his guys in stride and they didn't catch them. 1 was slightly behind his guy and the 4th I don't remember. He got happy feet in the pocket once and took a sack. He was under center for a few snaps but he certainly looked more comfortable in the shotgun.

He was okay but for this game, the White kid looked much better.

No. I'm not saying that.
I'm not one to go on this thought process. If you don't like him at #1, would you take him at say #15? That's just Stupid.

If you don't like him, you don't like him.

What I'm saying is I Don't Like Him. ANYWHERE.

This is MY OPINION. Mayfield is OFF my Board. I don't like his SIZE and I HATE Heisman winning QB'S. Always have and history shows they FAIL..

Go ahead and Salivate over him if you want, but I want NO PART of Mayfield or Jackson.

Take this how you want. One individual thinks Dorsey doesn't like Rosen, doesn't like Allen's Accuracy issues and thinks Darnold isn't Day One ready. He also believes we will shy away from signing Cousins because of the financial commitment.

What does that mean to YOU? He wants Mayfield?

Not to me. To me that means SCREEN Pre Draft BS Lip Service and he's signing a Veteran QB and taking Darnold #1. Hehehe.

Very possible.

I'm sure Dorsey will pick the quarterback he feels will be the best.

I think we could be fine with Rosen or Darnold, but Mayfield is going to be much better.

And heisman winners may always fail as you say, but we've never seen a walk on Heisman winner, so there's that....

j/c


Alex Smith is out. I think we are getting closer to Baker...

Tab posted this in another thread but moved it here...

The thing that gets me and you may be right is the constant "if he was 2-3 inches taller he'd be the #1 pick" I keep hearing. To me that's the eqivalent of saying you'd take Cutler over Brees or Tannehill, Weeden, or Osweiler over Russell Wilson.

I do get it though... It's a projection. A guy like Allen or Darnold, you look at him and he just looks the part of what a quarterback "should" be. Someone checks all the boxes, so you think you can coach someone up to succeed.

A guy like Mayfield, you look at him and you know he can play and you believe his game will translate to the NFL and that he can make all the throws, he's also not going to fail, that's just simply not in his DNA. If it's remotely possible he could do something, he's going to do it. And I think he's proven that. He was a walk-on and won the Heisman!

If Dorsey had any kahunas he'd just draft Mayfield #1. The media and some NFL people will mock him for such a stupid move because you don't take a 6'1/2" quarterback #1. Who cares if he checks all the boxes, you simply can't take a short QB #1, who cares if he's Drew Brees or Russell Wilson, or Steve Young, or Fran Tarkenton...

Someone made up a silly notion that thousands of short quarterbacks haven't succeeded in the NFL. It's kinda laughable. Short quarterbacks never get the opportunity to succeed. Keenum for example. He just led a team to a Championship game! I mean show me these guys who were given a chance and failed. But then you get a guy like Jamarcus Russell, he goes #1 because he's a big posing threat and no one bats an eye.


If Mayfield is good enough for #4, he's good enough for #1. I don't think new England is going to trade up to get Mayfield and he may not go 1 but I would be shocked if Mayfield gets out of the top 10. Us, Giants, Broncos, Jets all could be drafting quarterbacks.

If anything check with the Giants, make them swap picks so they can get Rosen, take Mayfield at 2. I think we are set up to take Mayfield and Fitzpatrick 1 and 4 respectively. Just do it!

I know maybe it's over the top but thanks for listening.

Is it just me or does it not look like Tim Couch throwing the ball? Looks like Mayfield drops his elbow when throwing.

Not sure why you included Steve Young in that list - he was 6'2".

How will Scot McCloughan's top ranking of Baker Mayfield impact the Browns' draft plans?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...ncart_big-photo

Updated Feb 5, 5:55 PM; Posted Feb 5, 5:21 PM

By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- New Browns personnel consultant Scot McCloughan is already on record as saying that Baker Mayfield would be his man if he had to draft a quarterback this year to lead his franchise.

So how will that impact the Browns' plans now that McCloughan has been hired to help them out with the draft -- and maybe beyond depending on how it goes -- and is already in on Browns' draft meetings?

In an interview with the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio in October, the former Redskins and 49ers general manager revealed that Mayfield was his top choice from this rich quarterback class -- and even compared him to Hall of Famer Brett Favre, with whom McCloughan spent six years in Green Bay.

"He reminds me of a shorter version of Brett Favre," McCloughan told Gottlieb."Tough guy. He can throw it. And he's very confident, and he's not afraid whatsoever, whatsoever. He's a battler. I know saying Brett Favre's a big name, and I was around him for a while, but this guy has talent."

Word circulated at the Senior Bowl last month that McCloughan was talking up Mayfield (6-foot 3/8, 216 pounds, 9 1/2-inch hands) to Dorsey, and there's no question Dorsey likes him. But enough to draft him No. 1 overall? Or even No. 4?
Enough to select him ahead of early frontrunners Sam Darnold of USC, Josh Rosen of UCLA or Josh Allen of Wyoming?

In December, Dorsey told Sports Illustrated that he had already seen six of Mayfield's games this season.

"I saw [Mayfield] at Kansas this year, in the OU-Kansas game,'' he said. "You're darn right he's a good quarterback, no matter how tall he is. Some would say he's too short, but I would ask you: How tall is Russell Wilson? How tall is Chase Daniel?"

While several personnel executives at the Senior Bowl expressed concern to cleveland.com about Mayfield's character and maturity, Dorsey defended him.

"You guys create a narrative that you try to portray him as (a character concern),'' Dorsey told cleveland.com and another outlet.

Reminded that the Heisman Trophy winner was arrested last year for public intoxication, and that he taunted the Kansas sideline with the infamous crotch grab, and planted a flag on the Block O at Ohio State, Dorsey didn't back down.

"Every young man will make a mistake in his life, I bet you,'' he said. "And I think he's very remorseful of that mistake and I think he's moved forward from that, and he's trying to make himself a better person, going through the process.''

As for the crotch grab, which he witnessed in person, Dorsey seemed to appreciate the fieriness.

"Well, he made the fans of Kansas upset, I can tell you that,'' Dorsey said.

Dorsey also praised Mayfield to 92.3 The Fan earlier that day, saying he learned that Mayfield had learned his Oklahoma playbook in two days.

"And then the love and conviction that his teammates have for him, you can see that,'' he said. "Is he competitive? Yes. We all love that. Now we'll just go through the process and see how these things stack up.''

Mayfield told cleveland.com at the Senior Bowl that he'd embrace the challenge of playing for the Browns and that they'd be getting "a winner.''

He said he had no qualms about taking over an 0-16 team.

"Playing in the NFL is not about the record they had last year,'' he said. "It's about a new start. Starting over, getting ready to play again."

Is he up for that kind of challenge? "Absolutely. It's like walking on twice (at Texas Tech and Oklahoma)."

Mayfield also told 92.3 The Fan, "They're getting somebody that's gonna turn that franchise around. They're getting somebody that no matter what happens, no matter what anybody on the outside thinks of that franchise, I'm gonna put belief and I'm gonna put new life into that [team]."

As for Browns fans, "They're loyal and true and I respect that. It doesn't matter what happens, they're always going to be there for them so when you think about it, you'd love to play for a franchise like that. You've got people that are going to have your back and especially if you're winning ballgames and turning that around."

But on Radio Row at the Super Bowl last week, he said the Giants would be a perfect fit.

"Throwing the ball to Engram, Shep and Odell wouldn't be too bad," he told Newsday of throwing to tight end Evan Engram, and receivers Sterling Shepard and Odell Beckham Jr. "Those are some studs right there. Being there, that's a big-time franchise. The spotlight, I think I thrive on that. I think that would be an ideal situation."

If McCloughan is willing to jump on the table for Mayfield, he might have to convince coach Hue Jackson and new offensive coordinator Todd Haley that the QBs height won't hurt him at this level; and that his arrest, during which he was tackled by a police officer after fleeing, was an isolated incident and not a Johnny Manziel-like red flag.

Jackson has stated his threshold for QBs is 6-foot-2, while admitting there are outliers; and Haley is coming off seven seasons with the 6-5 Ben Roethlisberger.

Besides, Mayfield would have to fit Jackson's scheme, because Dorsey has vowed to find players that fit what the coaches want to do, and that their voices will be heard in the draft and free-agency process.

It's also early. McCloughan, who was 49ers Vice President of Player Personnel when they drafted Alex Smith No. 1 overall, made his Mayfield remarks midway through the college season, and early on in the evaluation process.

The Browns still have a long way to go to determine who they'll take at No. 1, but it's clear Mayfield will be in the discussion.

Steve Young was 6'0"

According to Steve Young he is 6'0", according to his football card he's 6'2". We all know that bubblegum cards don't lie!

BYU Magazine

Must be the hair.

Shoes

Rich and people quibbling over how tall I am. These are the kind of life problems I want.

How tall are you?

Average

Unless he's rich it doesn't matter.

Just trying to help...

Of all the things we consider when we look at a quarterback, this is probably the most important "trait," if any of the other quarterbacks struggle with this, Mayfield will be our guy.

Cashier's Checks are accepted.

Almost read this! Then i saw it was MKC.

How does Mayfield compare to Colt McCoy coming out of college? I remember a lot of what people say as a reason to draft Mayfield was said about McCoy when he was coming out. Both were undersized guys who won alot of games in college. There numbers are similar. Seems like Mayfield has a better arm but I don't know.

Yes. MKC's piece on Mayfield was unreadable, she's quite biased.

What was wrong w/her article?

As Bone points out, Mayfield has some very likable qualities. But Darnold has the same qualities, plus size, plus athleticism, minus character questions. I see 3 tiers of 2 choices; Darnold and Rosen, then Mayfield and Allen, then Rudolph and Jackson. They all are promising enough to go in the first round.

But we have the first overall pick, so our choice should be between Darnold and Rosen.

Nothing, one of the favorite things to do here is to rag on pretty much every article she writes.

Yeah, really. I agree. The article is mainly quotes from football people.


I guess that we simply cannot have that kind of article here.

Depends on if you hang on every word she says or realize she's biased. Instead of just reporting the news she wants you to feel a certain way after reading. She and Grossi are similar.

I can see where a lot of people would like her bias therefore they like her articles and use them as gospel. She's not as bad as Grossi, he's a flat out liar and clueless, but she's not far behind.

Well, everybody has biases(?). I just just read the articles and don't get all caught up in that stuff. Either I like or not, and I don't proclaim to the world either way.

Hmmmm.... let me put it this way, they'll leave out or add vital info to help instigate an opinion. Id rather read someone or something that gives me the facts and let's me form my own opinion.

From evrrything I've been reading it will not surprise me if the Browns draft Mayfield at 1. He seems to have all the entangables they like. I think the competitiveness, accuracy and leadership are what Dorsey loves. Being only 6'0 doesn't seem an issue. Myself, I want a good veteran QB to lead us next year and beyond but I think Mayfield will be the pick at 1. I personally like Darnold but everyone has thier own oppinion.

The wildcard may be Hue and his 6'2" rule. At least that is my hope. IMO a 6' QB in this division is a recipe for disaster. No matter how gutsy and competitive he may be.

I doubt it. Mayfield coming in at 6-feet 3/8, and 215 pounds, with the 9 1/2 hands, was ultimately a positive for him. The concern was that he'd be sub-6'0" and have small hands. He's basically Andy Dalton. Same weight, same hand size. An inch shorter. An inch less wingspan.

I don't think anyone will knock him too far over an inch of height. Especially not recently. He's an inch shorter than Trubisky, Mahomes and Watson, who all flew off the board.

That's not to suggest he'll be the pick. I think there are other issues in his game that could sour teams far more than an inch of height.

At the same time, I'm starting to get the feeling he's going to be the pick.

j/c



Numbers say Mayfield should be the #1 QB.


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