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I wouldn't put too much into McCloughan's preference of QB. That's not why he's in the room. The Browns are most likely going to select a QB with their first pick. That will be the choice of the GM and HC with input from others. There are hundreds of players eligible for the draft. McCloughan runs a scouting company. Teams employ his services to help them understand the depth of the draft class, especially those players beyond the top 100 that they don't have the time and resources to fully scout. He's not in the room for his input on who to draft at #1, he's there for his input on who to draft in rounds 4-7. Make no mistake, it is Dorseys choice. Hue isn't in the room to be making decisions. He is there to give his input. I like that. I'd give Haley move weight than Hue any day.
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I wouldn't put too much into McCloughan's preference of QB. That's not why he's in the room. The Browns are most likely going to select a QB with their first pick. That will be the choice of the GM and HC with input from others. There are hundreds of players eligible for the draft. McCloughan runs a scouting company. Teams employ his services to help them understand the depth of the draft class, especially those players beyond the top 100 that they don't have the time and resources to fully scout. He's not in the room for his input on who to draft at #1, he's there for his input on who to draft in rounds 4-7. Make no mistake, it is Dorseys choice. Hue isn't in the room to be making decisions. He is there to give his input. I like that. I'd give Haley move weight than Hue any day. That's usually how it works. Now go back to bed.
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Why are you still talking about something so completely unimportant?
The board is littered w/so much meaningless trash.
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It's some3thing he just loves to do. You know, all that football talk.
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Exactly. Why did it take you so long? lmao
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At four, we can have our choice of Chubb, Fitz, and Barkley.
Please no. Memories of Trent Richardson are too recent and vivid... Memories of Ezekiel Elliot and Leonard Fournette are recent and vivid also. Which makes this a really fascinating time for our new front office. We've seen the impact that a special running back can have on a team, and it seems most agree that Barkley is an incredibly talented individual. It's hard to find a knock on him as a player and a person. At the same time, great running backs are found all over the draft, and the depth of this class is incredibly impressive. In the second round we're looking at talent like Sony Michel, Derrius Guice, Ronald Jones, Kerryon Johnson and Rashaad Penny potentially, and in some cases certainly, being on the board. Personally, I'm in the latter group, but the Browns desperately need to hit on their selections, and the temptation to add someone like Barkley could be too great. It's hard to find precedence. We don't know what would have happened with Zeke because the Eagles trade offer was too great. We don't know what would have happened with Fournette because Garrett was the obvious selection. Would either have been a guy, under different circumstances, that Jackson would have pushed for? Dorsey, on the other hand, hasn't really been on the board with a guy like Barkley available. It's interesting, for sure.
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I think right now we are just in the process. We are going to talk to all the top candidates.
More than anything, this. Over the next eight to ten weeks, we will see LOTS of reports of dots now connecting us to all sorts of QBs. Guys will magically rise and fall (lol, that always cracks me up) in all the reports floated, and in the end, unless we sign the guy before the Draft, we likely won't know diddly.
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General Thought. I don't know the circumstances of Mayfield's drunken incident with the police that has been so widely referenced but:
Chris Carter, Terrelle Owens, and Randy Moss, all had incidents of notable circumstance, IIrc, and I'm pretty sure all 3 of them are now going to have Gold HOF Jackets; so there's that.
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They’re all taller than 6 feet.
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Carter also had more incidents once he got in the NFL. He had to get cut before he smartened up.
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Which item does not belong? I'm not sure how many people got that.
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Which item does not belong? I'm not sure how many people got that. I think most did...I was thinking how to make the same point til Cal did it for me.
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j/c Report: Packers tried to hire Scot McCloughanScot McCloughan was a scout for the Packers from 1994-1999. Brian Jones - 4 hours ago The Green Bay Packers looked to bring back a familiar face to the scouting department. According to Bob McGinn of Bob McGinn Football (via USA Today), the Packers tried to hire Scot McCloughan who is now with the Cleveland Browns as a consultant. McCloughan was a regional scout for the Packers from 1994-1999. He then moved on from the Packers to be director of college scouting for the Seattle Seahawks from 2000-2004. After his stint with the Seahawks, McCloughan spent five seasons with the San Francisco 49ers before returning to Seattle to be the team's senior personnel executive for four seasons. His last stop before joining the Browns was with the Washington Redskins as the general manager from 2015-2016. It would have been interesting to see McCloughan back with the Packers since Brian Gutekunst is now the general manager. Back when McCloughan was a regional scout with the Packers, Gutekunst was scouting intern. When McCloughan left the Packers, that's when Gutekunst moved up in the Packers organization and eventually was named the GM last month. With McCloughan now with the Browns, he reunites with general manager John Dorsey who was also a Packers scout during the late 90s. Adding McCloughan would have been big for Gutekunst who could use a much help as he can get before the draft. But when the draft comes to an end, it looks like the Packers will make a few more changes to the front office. As for the Browns, their front office looks like the Packers of the AFC North with McCloughan, Dorsey and former Packers executives Alonzo Highsmith and Eliot Wolf.
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... but ultimately, we gave him more money lol.
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j/c Report: Packers tried to hire Scot McCloughanScot McCloughan was a scout for the Packers from 1994-1999. Brian Jones - 4 hours ago The Green Bay Packers looked to bring back a familiar face to the scouting department. According to Bob McGinn of Bob McGinn Football (via USA Today), the Packers tried to hire Scot McCloughan who is now with the Cleveland Browns as a consultant. McCloughan was a regional scout for the Packers from 1994-1999. He then moved on from the Packers to be director of college scouting for the Seattle Seahawks from 2000-2004. After his stint with the Seahawks, McCloughan spent five seasons with the San Francisco 49ers before returning to Seattle to be the team's senior personnel executive for four seasons. His last stop before joining the Browns was with the Washington Redskins as the general manager from 2015-2016. It would have been interesting to see McCloughan back with the Packers since Brian Gutekunst is now the general manager. Back when McCloughan was a regional scout with the Packers, Gutekunst was scouting intern. When McCloughan left the Packers, that's when Gutekunst moved up in the Packers organization and eventually was named the GM last month. With McCloughan now with the Browns, he reunites with general manager John Dorsey who was also a Packers scout during the late 90s. Adding McCloughan would have been big for Gutekunst who could use a much help as he can get before the draft. But when the draft comes to an end, it looks like the Packers will make a few more changes to the front office. As for the Browns, their front office looks like the Packers of the AFC North with McCloughan, Dorsey and former Packers executives Alonzo Highsmith and Eliot Wolf. obliviously baker mayfield is going to be there target in the draft.. prob want to trade rodgers to us for our #1 pick.... why else would they try to hire him??
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We ain't drafting baker mayfield.
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We’re going for a Baker’s Dozen.
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We ain't drafting baker mayfield. i think i will need to hear this every day between now and the draft for reassurance.
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We ain't drafting baker mayfield. i think i will need to hear this every day between now and the draft for reassurance. Yeah I was wondering if this is what people believed or want to have happen?
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We ain't drafting baker mayfield. i think i will need to hear this every day between now and the draft for reassurance. Yeah I was wondering if this is what people believed or want to have happen? If all things are pretty much equal between he, Darnold and Rosen (just speculating obviously), then don't take the midget who grabs his crotch on the field and gets arrested for being an ass.
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We ain't drafting baker mayfield.
lol well as long as you have an open mind and no I'm not declaring war with you.
btw - I don't think we are drafting Mayfield #1 either.
But I unlike you would be happy to have him on our team as the future Franchise QB. 
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We ain't drafting baker mayfield. i think i will need to hear this every day between now and the draft for reassurance. Yeah I was wondering if this is what people believed or want to have happen? If all things are pretty much equal between he, Darnold and Rosen (just speculating obviously), then don't take the midget who grabs his crotch on the field and gets arrested for being an ass. The things appear-to-be though that very little is equal. It appears that Mayfield is better at all phases of actual QB play other than height and cannon-like arm strength. The only things I ever read about him NOT being a legit #1 overall has to do with him grabbing his crotch and doing something stupid while drunk in college...one time. I was sold on him during the second TCU game this year. That cemented it for me. Too many great performances against excellent competition.
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The things appear-to-be though that very little is equal. It appears that Mayfield is better at all phases of actual QB play other than height and cannon-like arm strength.
The only things I ever read about him NOT being a legit #1 overall has to do with him grabbing his crotch and doing something stupid while drunk in college...one time.
I was sold on him during the second TCU game this year. That cemented it for me. Too many great performances against excellent competition. This is a really good point - for all the people that don't want Mayfield, very few make compelling on-field arguments. Off-field conduct is important, but I'm not sure crotch grabbing that one time or getting arrested for (oh, the horror) public intoxication that one time is compelling. For what I've seen said, the kid is a hard worker who loves the game and is adored by his coaches and team mates as both a person and as a leader. I think when all is said and done, if you think he's a franchise quarterback, you can't say, "Yeah, but he did touch his junk that one time so he's off the draft board." I'd rather a guy who got drunk that one time (Let's be honest - they all have got drunk prior to being 21, Baker was just the one who got caught) and touched himself after throttling a team who set out to both intentionally injure and disrespect him in a childish display of buffoonery. I have questions if Mayfield's arm limits his game at the pro-level, and I also question all spread quarterbacks, but that's about it. Additional arguments are pretty weak, which I think is why his character gets latched on to.
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I think it was him planting the flag at OSU that turned off many posters.
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I think it was him planting the flag at OSU that turned off many posters. Absolutely. If he was dumb enough to try to plant a flag on artificial turf, how smart can he be?  (but, I DO get what you meant)
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I think it was him planting the flag at OSU that turned off many posters. I was not bothered so much by the concept of planting the flag after the big win. To me, it was the fact that he thought he could plant a flag in AstroTurf. That's just stupid. He just finished a game on that surface, so he knew it was turf. It's more than the crotch grabbing. It's also throwing the ball at opponent's heads during pregame warm ups. It's using the other team's end of the field during pregame warm ups and disrupting their drills. He's immature. Middle school football coaches would not tolerate that behavior.
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I didn't even know about those things. Which would make the decision even easier if I were running the draft.
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Then there was him mouthing F*** You to the Kansas sideline after the crotch grab. People cat like his character isn't a question, but when you add them all together it's not like it was one isolated incident. There's a pattern here.
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See, for me, I put Mayfield's character concerns right up there with Rosen's character concerns. Ultimately, it comes down to whether or not you think their personality will mesh in an NFL locker room (and more specifically, that team's locker room). For QB, it's especially important because that guy is going to be the leader of your offense; and that's hard to do if you're a clown. Through that lens, I don't see much of a difference between a guy that thinks
1. he is able to plant a flag in astroturf, and
2. that it's a good idea
and a guy that will ask "Why?" like a 2-year old to anyone that's telling him what to do, and will get bent outta shape if he doesn't get an acceptable answer.
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Exactly... their character concerns weighed in heavily with me too.
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Then there was him mouthing F*** You to the Kansas sideline after the crotch grab. People cat like his character isn't a question, but when you add them all together it's not like it was one isolated incident. There's a pattern here. This. I've said before, I see him as someone who lacks impulse control, an idea pops into his head and he acts on that idea before thinking it through. That could be a good thing, regarding what to do when a play breaks down. But regarding personal behavior, it is likely to become a distraction as the number of minor incidents start mounting.
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Manziel had so many red flags it is almost inconceivable that the Browns ignored them.
To date I have seen nothing that Rosen has said that would bother me.
Mayfield has shown some immaturity. Not a good thing. However, he has not done anything that would take him off my Board.
This quarterback decision has to come down to who is the best fit for the Cleveland Browns. The guys in the room to figure this out:
Dorsey, Hue, Haley, Eliot Wolf, Highsmith, McCloughan along with the scouts.
That is an impressive group with a massive amount of cumulative NFL experience.
If these guys can not figure this out then who can?
Every prospect will be looked at exhaustively by each individual then collectively discussed.
They will have the opportunity after looking at all the tape to interview the prospects and work them out.
We can all speculate but the decision will be a cold calculation derived from extensive study.
I hope they decide on Darnold but I will accept their decision no matter and judge from the results.
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Nothing against someone partying and intox charge, as long as it was a one time ordeal - but fleeing and resisting arrest... my brain like, automatically went "nope" and character issues is just in itself somethign that turns my stomach because I'm tired of what we've seen.
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Just a point, Dorsey has shown a propensity to ignor character issues when drafting players, take Marcus Peters and Tyreek Hill for example.
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Mayfield will be looked at in totality.
It will be a factor. However, I doubt that it will be "the determining" factor.
In the end he will measured against the other prospects.
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In the end he will measured against the other prospects.
[/color] And that's where both you and I want Sam! I personally wrote Mayfield off because of the charges he pled guilty to, but yes I also agree - to people who get paid, it probably shouldn't be "that's that" like it was for me. But let's have another team make that decision lol!
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This might seem like a cop-out, but I'm kinda tired about going back and forth on the QBs. I can't see a clear-cut route to take on the QB position this offseason. All potential paths (FA, draft... the who's and where's) have decent chances of success as well as carry the usual risk.
At the end of the day, we have the pick(s) and we have the $$$. There are legit options in the draft and legit option(s) in FA. Further, we have people in house (finally) that have proven capability in getting "the guy" at QB position.
If this was true before, it's 2x true now... that there is absolutely no excuse for not locking down the QB position this offseason.
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This might seem like a cop-out, but I'm kinda tired about going back and forth on the QBs. I can't see a clear-cut route to take on the QB position this offseason. All potential paths (FA, draft... the who's and where's) have decent chances of success as well as carry the usual risk. Same. There are a lot of good options and I would probably be happy with most of them.
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