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So he's two points better than Kessler

Maybe Hue was right on Kessler when we drafted him, but he just mismanaged him...?

Numbers are not the entire thing defining which QB to take. To think so is silly. When it comes to QBs Character, integrity, and charisma are all vitally important too.

Hopefully they research all the QBs and find the right fit.

If they cut Kessler it's a sure sign who we're taking since he and Mayfield both wear #6.

You are kidding, right?

Yes sir, that one is all tongue in cheek.

Or maybe we don't need to draft Mayfield because we already have him in Kessler.

What happens in 24 days? The combine is in 15 days, the draft is in 73 days.

I am.

After watching Mayfield...

Pros
His footwork is probably the 2nd most polished in the draft. he has good knee bend, he is up on his toes, he has that Tom Brady/boxer bounce and he is usually in a triangle when he steps into his throws.
Passion - there is no question he will get his team fired up
He throws receivers open
He has pretty good vision
He can spin it and the ball goes down the field tight.


Cons
His throwing motion is not consistent... at all. Sometimes he throws 3/4 sometimes he throws over the top, sometimes he throws sidearm. *not concerned much about the sidearm..

I can't really tell the rhyme or reason as to why he throws 3/4 or over the top this.
He doesn't always step into his throws and finish consistently
He takes velocity off the ball by slowing down his footwork vs using his arm (that will lead to sacks or injuries in the NFL)
He can't control his emotions/ He talks more trash than a garbage can.

Ty sir ... appreciatte your assessment ....

Ok I watched that video, my question is did he ever throw to anyone covered? Holy crap a lot of those guys were incrediably wide open. Not a knock on the guy but wow.....

Not only that, but did you see the huge pockets? Did you see how long it takes him to make a lot of those throws? The happy feet? Throwing against his body?

Good God! He's awful!

It sure seemed like you are knocking him though.....but yeah he did throw to some receivers that had a good amount of separation

i said before that Baker's accuracy is a bit inflated due to scheme and i think the perception of his accuracy is greater then his actually accuracy...take the senior bowl for example the hype about Baker coming out of the practices and the game just didn't match what my eye ball was telling me....yet there were reports that Baker was the best there....and i'm the type of nerd that actually watched the practices....closely.....anyhow I say all this to say Baker without a doubt has good accuracy....but just not as great as the hype

here's the practice i was talking about

Check out the 3 throws he misses in a row...starting @ ~7:10...those are 3 throws in a glorified walk through....i was calm/patient dude when I coached....but if my QB misses 3 throws in a row during walk throughs i would proly lose my [censored]

again....small sample size and its just practice....and again all i'm saying is that stories of his accuracy are a bit overblown...imho

j/c

Baker Mayfield resents the notion that height matters

Posted by Mike Florio on February 15, 2018, 10:22 AM EST

With the draft approaching, former Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield isn’t shying away from the spotlight. And he’s not afraid to point out things that bother him.

Pet Peeve No. 1: Comments about his height.

“It angers me when people say that height actually matters, because there’s guys in the NFL that prove it day in and day out that it doesn’t,” Mayfield told Steve Serby of the New York Post in somewhat lengthy Q&A. “If you can pick up and throw a ball, you can. And if you can win games, you can. So a lot of that stuff that people used to think mattered a lot, those measurables don’t exactly [matter] anymore. It’s about winning games and getting your teammates to play hard.”

Mayfield also has a problem with people passing judgment on him without all relevant information.

“People want to put an image on me that they obviously don’t know me,” Mayfield said. “If you never sat down to have a conversation with me, then you probably don’t understand why I’m so competitive, why I do the things I do. I always had a chip on my shoulder because I’ve had to earn everything. If you think me being cocky is because I’ve been handed things that I’ve been spoon fed, you’re absolutely wrong. I’ve had to earn it.”

Mayfield also isn’t bashful about reacting to actual or perceived slights on social media. In response to a comprehensive evaluation from Bucky Brooks of NFL Media, Mayfield took to Twitter to say this: “Actually a well written piece. . . . But you left out the most important thing in football . . . that one thing called winning. People forgot [to] mention that with my man [Deshaun Watson‘s] game last year.”

The concept of #winning has become a hot-button issue when it comes to the question of evaluating quarterbacks. Plenty of bad quarterbacks win because they have plenty of great players around them. Plenty of good quarterbacks lose because their teammates simply don’t collectively have what it takes to compete.

The real question is whether a quarterback has the ability to make his teammates better, by creating the same kind of relationship with his fellow players that they have with their coach, causing them to listen, follow, seek approval, and show respect to the quarterback.

One man can’t make a bad team into a winner. But a quarterback who is a great leader can help his team win in ways other than throwing passes. Is Mayfield that kind of guy? That’s one of the things that 32 teams will be trying to find out.

No I really wasn’t knocking him, I’ve watched other games of his that show he is fairly accurate. That cut up though, they were some very easy throws. I’m not in on the hype behind him though. I don’t think his arm is horrible I do question how well he can drive the ball into tight windows. Some of the same questions I have about Rudolph to be honest. Both those guys to me are very similar. A bunch of their throws are against some easier coverages.


I did watch coverage of the senior bowl and from what I saw, which didn’t show up on his game tape during the season as much, was he looked to struggle seeing things downfield over the lineman, and defenders. Like he didn’t see where he could go with the ball, or where the defenders were. Brought up a slight red flag for me. “Is his height gonna be an issue for him in a more pro style offense”. Especially when he has to turn his back to the defense on play action. In the offense he was playing in he knew where he was gonna be going with the ball and maybe didn’t need to see everything. I think he can still be a success in the NFL but I think you’ll have to have a plan for him. I would say in Hue’s offense he may struggle but I could see him being a better option for a true west coast offense.

Thanks for posting this.

I agree with him. Either you can do it or you can't. He can't "see" over his line now, nor could he in HS yet he somehow did.


I can't comment on his HS offensive line, but I am pretty sure his OL at Oklahoma was NFL sized.


Doug Flutie got screwed out of a long and solid NFL career because of his height. Joe Theisman and Warren Moon almost did as well.


If you can play, you can play.

No doubt there were some easy throws on that cut-up and i think OU scheme inflates his stats. But, there were some throws where evaded in pocket and threw to covered receivers. (I haven't watched enough of Mason to opine on him)




Are you referring to the game or the practices? Anyhow, I have no issues with Baker's ability to manage a pocket at his height...to each there own I just didn't see what you did.

btw, did you watch the throws I was talking about from the senior bowl practice?

I think any good OC/QB coach had a plan for grooming their rookie QB; Baker wouldn't be alone in requiring a plan.

Its not going to be "Hue's offense" any more, Todd Haley is bringing his (Erhardt-Perkins) verbiage and will shape the offense.

It's a fair argument in a clean pocket. The problem is that when things break down and the line is in his face blocking his view. He has to have extra time to find those lanes vs the guy who just has to look and see with not so much effort. It might only make a 1 second delay but in the NFL that can be a big deal.

To combat this teams tend to draft shorter Centers and Offensive Guards. For example NO interior line avgs 6'2" for height. OT height doesn't seem to matter as much since when the QB steps up they slip off to the side for the most part. It's not a big deal but it does make it harder to build the best O-line when you have to limit the height of the guys you draft.

Still Brees proves it's possible but just rare.

The thing that jumps out to me here, I kept thinking, "I wish I could see these throws against more dynamic pass rushes and better coverage against the WRs." He has all day to throw and the WRs are wide open.

Both, the practices and the game, game especially, either there wasn’t anyone open or a Mayfield didn’t see them.

Yes I did see those throws. I just have reservations that Mayfield could struggle putting the ball into tight windows, I’ve havent seen him do it enough to make me think he will be ok in doing it.

The closer we get to draft day, the more and more people are rating Mayfield #1.

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Let's do this! Take Baker #1, don't look back.

Yeah it's almost like they're selling content. 2 months from now, no one will care what you said yesterday.

i'm not saying Mayfield should be #1, but I've seen it too. Normally, it's as a result of the media catching up with teams' FO. I wonder if this is the case again?

There is a lot I like about Mayfield. I also like a lot about Darnold, Rosen, Allen and Jackson. I also wonder how much better they will be than Kiser. I personally like a lot of what I saw in Kiser last year in toughness, arm strength, handling adversity, mobility, competitiveness. He has a lot of potential but definately needs to develop further. I know there are some on this board who have already gave up on him and that's fine. I am hoping that between Dorsey, Hue, and the rest of our new brain trust, that we make the right choice on who we choose at QB to get this losing stopped. That's all I want. Everyone on this board has strong feelings about who they want at QB and love to argue their point but in the end it doesn't matter. We are all Browns fans with 1 thing in common, we want a winner. Does it really matter who is the QB as long as we win? I just hope Dorsey gets it right.

There are reason why any one of the QB prospects fails or succeeds. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Liking one prospect doesn't mean the other are automatically going to be busts.

QBs aren't cookie cutter and building a team isn't either.

He had a very good weekend tabber. I have him behind Rosen still, but he moved ahead of Darnold for me. He was bigger than I thought ( he is big enough) and he has a really good arm. Very accurate as well. I would not be upset if we draft him

He had a good day, certainly didn't hurt his stock, though some NFL exec was quoted as saying, "He is off the charts cocky." I just don't see Dorsey drafting him even though he may like him a lot, I could see him taking Allen over Mayfield because of the size, the arm strength, and playing in the AFC North in the in the winter weather. Especially if they are thinking they can afford to sit the drafted quarterback because of the veteran they sign.

Isn't there already a Baker Mayfield thread?