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It only looks big because every starting QB to get a new contract ultimately sets the market. Stafford and Jimmy G just got $27M per year deals. Luck and Carr before that got $25M per year deals. Rodgers, Flacco and Wilson before that got $21M-ish deals. Pretty much all starting QB's are on at least $20M per year.

If we want a quarterback, this is what we'll be paying him. They don't stay on rookie deals for long.

I don't understand the "price" arguments against Cousins. We're not finding someone who is taking $5M per year. Sooner or later, we're going to have to actually open the wallet for someone.

hey bud !

I would not pay him that much because with a better team he has not pushed deep into the playoffs recently for me.

maybe a much smaller amount lol..

He has been in the same system quite sometime but like dalton ...ya know

He is worth 35 a year or 175 mil for 5 years. All it takes to make it easy is to pay him a lot up front while we have huge cap space this year. Then his cap hit the following years becomes very manageable. We could give him 80 mil the first year so that his cap hit would only be 23.75 mil the next 4 years which is a very manageable cap hit. We are the only team with the cap space to do it. It still leaves us 35 mil in cap space to sign our rookies and free agents this year which is more than enough. Next year we would be back to having a large amount of cap space again but with a lot better team to draw in that one or two FA we need.

The time to strike is now.

You're kinda right because it's not even my money. But still I'd rather pay Glennon 10 than give Cousins anything near 20.

If we sign Cousins I will obviously root for him, but I'll be doing so knowing we could have done better. It's going to look pretty silly in a couple years if we still have the mediocre cousins and Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen are leading their team to a Championship game.

Honestly, I don't see how anyone here can want him. We bypassed drafting a QB 2 years ago to try our luck with an ex-Redskin QB, it didn't work and people want us to do it again.

People will contend that Dorsey did this in 2013 when he took over with the chiefs. They had the first pick and traded for Alex Smith. Well look at the QBs in that draft, not one worth the first pick. In this draft, there's 4-5 talked about as being the #1 pick.


Cousins is nothing more than a desperation move to make the franchise relevant. We will probably win games, but we won't be going to any championships.

Wow, Kirk loses all my interest if those are the numbers needed to get him to talk contracts. He's just not THAT elite to me. I'm so up and down with signing/ignoring Kirk that I feel like seeing those numbers makes it easier to let the Jets, or whoever else, throw all their $ to a slightly above average QB. All jmo.

Cousins is a top 10 QB. He is NOT mediocre. I don't know where you guys get this nonsense from that he is mediocre.

He's definitely not top 10... and it's debatable whether he's in the top half of the league. But he is better than what we've had and he'll probably win us a few games.

I agree. I don't want to team to stay on cheap rookie deals.

The structure of rookie salaries was altered some years back with the idea that vets would be getting the money. Some may think it is too much, but the reality is that's what it takes to get a quality starting QB. Add in that there are 32 NFL teams and maybe 20 have decent QB's and the price gets higher.

We have been screwing around trying to find a QB for 20 years. Now we have a chance to get one. I am going to be seriously ticked if we don't make every effort to sign him. It better not come down to we didn't make the best offer. If Cousins goes elsewhere, it better be he just decided it was a better fit for him.

It's a fact that his numbers place him in the top ten. Period. The fact he put up those numbers under a dysfunctional owner like Synder is even more amazing. He would radically improve our team if we somehow got lucky enough to sign him.

I completely agree Ballpeen.

I'm kinda the opposite. I hope we don't offer him anything.

Our chance to get the QB you covet is in the draft, not free agency.

In fantasy football?

If Kirk was Brady, Manning, Brees or similar, okay then... throw the money his way and let's forget about it!!!!!!!!!! Kirk is pinch of salt above average to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

Is it better than what we have? Yes.

Is it better to have a vet QB you KNOW can hack the job and get it done? Yes.

Have we've been looking for years and years for a QB? Yes.

Is it better to overpay for someone/pay more for a slightly above average QB, and, pay more than the actual elite QBs are making, in a draft class where there's actually some notable QBs with talent and etc? That's the golden question. We all want the sure fire route to solidify the position, I know. We have a ton of cap, I know. What I don't know is if Kirk is just simply worth what he'll apparent will/is going to get and worth the huge hit to our cap, cap we will need in the future hopefully.

Maybe in another draft class where the QB selection is "less notable" would I be willing to just make the likes of a "get it done, but nothing more" QB the highest paid player, but we're not in that situation. Seeing the numbers from the Jets report, I just lose most if not all interest in Kirk.

Kirk cousins ranks
#8 in TD
#9 in completion %
#7 in passing yards
#9 in Passing yards per attempt

Your the one in a fantasy world man. He IS a TOP 10 QB. That is fact.

ugh... so he's a pretty good fantasy quarterback... oddly, the exception Stafford (not sure he's top 10 either), the other top ten quarterbacks have been to a Super Bowl or Championship game while Cousins has never won a playoff game. Andy Dalton much?

I'd take any QB like Dalton, Cousins Stafford, Luck because they give us a shot to win some games. Heck if we can win some games, we can recruit better talent.

right now... we have no reason for someone to come to CLE except $.

give me cousins and the FA's will sign in CLe and and we keep Thomas for another year or two.

winning cures all pain.

We have a real opportunity to draft our Franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. It's too bad that a $150 million dollar QB with an average record is muddying the waters.

JMHO

Maybe if he had a better team around him he would have a better record. BTW Drew Brees W/L record for the last 4 years is 32-31 so I guess he is an average QB too.

I really think Dorsey will take a QB at #1 or #4 no matter who ( or if ) we sign in FA ..

I think that's a given.

What I don't get is that so many seem opposed to signing a high quality NFL starter as well. Heck, worst case scenario is that Cousins starts for 2 or 3 years, while the rookie sits and learns. (and we win a lot of games in the meantime, while we build the rest of the team to a high level)

Oh I agree Town , but I just don't see Cousins as a VIABLE signing ..

I have soured a bit on signing Cousins because of the recent news of what the Jets are willing to pay. It would be an all-out bidding war that might reach epic proportions.

With that said, I think there is an issue on here about how good Cousins is. He is a far better qb than some are saying. They are not factoring in things like how his entire OL was hurt during the year, the lack of good RBs, and that Jake Reed was injured almost all year.

We have one poster in particular talking out of his butt, just like he always does. He says the same things over and over and logic and reason are thrown out the window. He told us emphatically 4-5 times a day that Hue was guaranteed to be fired and Sashi would remain. He keeps telling us over and over that Dorsey is going to draft Mayfield w/the first pick. He says things like Coleman is better than Michael Thomas. He claims that Rosen's teammates and coaches don't think he is a good leader or teammate.

Don't let his nonsensical trolling ruin the thread.

I am not sure what the Browns should do. We all have our preferences and some valid reasons for our opinions. I can honestly see why people could either really want Cousins or be skeptical of the signing. I like reading logical explanations on both side.

Yeah, he's probably getting there. But I'd take him over Cousins.

Given/say we intend to go all out for Kirk, won't dropping a first round on a QB make him mad or deteriorate any will he, and others, might have to come here?

No way in hell does Dorsey sign Cousins then take a QB at #1 or #4. That would be like saying, "I'm spending $150M+ on a guy I don't believe in."

Most aren't going to let the trolling ruin a thread.

A lot of guys have put you on ignore already.

I do agree with you on the two views on Cousins.

Too bad you had to go after another poster and ruin what could have been a good football post.

I don't think there is a Lebron in the FA this year , lol !

I'd take Brees over Cousins any day if age weren't a factor as Brees is a HOF QB but I think Cousins is a top 10/12 QB in this league. I'd put him on a par with Stafford from Detroit. I don't have a problem with drafting a QB but the problem there is, are you gonna get a Tom Brady or a Ryan Leaf. Cousins may not be the best but he's still pretty good and you know what you are getting. My ideal situation is sign Cousins and draft Mike White with our late 2nd or our 3rd rnd pick.

lol, I don't like Stafford either, but I get your point and understand why you like Cousins. I don't think it's any more of a crap shoot drafting Rosen or Darnold that it was taking Wentz, Mariotta, or Winston. It's like we have a shot at our Elway or Aikman and all the Cousins situation is doing in my view is mucking up the decision process.

It doesn't muck anything up for me. I'd still draft a QB at #1 if we signed Cousins.

Either guy is trade-able if we choose go with the other long term. Hoping for the best by putting all of our eggs in one basket is a far worse scenario in my opinion.

Right. We've lost so much that we're willing to pay any cost to be average again.

The second Dorsey signs Cousins he should be fired.

You might, but Dorsey won't.



Not really, not at that price.



It's not hope, it's a strategy, and teams do it all the time. But I can't think of one instance where a team has signed the most expensive FA QB ever then drafted a QB #1.

I don't think anyone knows what Dorsey will do at this point. We do know he made an effort toward Alex Smith



Do you mean Cousin's price? The price that teams are fighting to outbid each other on right now? Or the price of a rookie contract? Either of those contracts are going to look pretty cheap in a few years.



There is no strategy in skipping on one option because you are counting on being right in what amounts to your best guess in another option. Not many other teams have had the cap room and and the draft picks to do both. But "nobody has done it before" is a horrible excuse.

I think you're reaching on all counts, but I get your opinion. Just don't agree.

I'll win you over eventually.

You better have deep pockets and good taste in jewelry.

To be fair, it was not said that’s what it would take to get him to talk. I don’t think there have been any numbers thrown out there by Cousins or his agent. Those numbers came from the Jets. Reportedly.

That said, the Jets can have him.