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You mean the Browns didn't learn the last 10 times they cut one of their top offensive weapons in the offseason and the offense sputtered in the following year?

Who'd a thunk it, the Browns don't learn and repeat the same mistakes refusing to put and keep a nucleus of a team together.
The average time "anybody" is a Brown has got to be about less than 18 months it seems, unless you're an O'fer coach.


Stories like this one from Grossi, Stories like this in the papers, have proven correct more times in the past so it's probably a gonna happen thing.

And if it did, then that would be the Browns cutting their #1 Wr or pass catching tight end again in an offseason for what would be 6 of the last 6 times, if not more, depending how you want to count it.

And having done that, ^^^ how's that worked out in the win column recently?

You couldn't script this stuff in Hollywood, if ya did they'd laugh you out of the room, saying "nobody's going to believe a team would cut it's most productive guy 6 times in a row, get the heck out of here, it's Hollywood it's not the land of looney bins," write a script that's believeable.

Even with Coleman's issues he is still significantly better than every WR on the Browns not named Josh Gordon. If the Browns find a #2, #3 and a #4 who are better than Coleman so be it. But whoever is QB can't throw to the WR's we played with this year.

That is a weird take if that's what I said.

I understand he's been hurt and that's been disappointing. He is not nearly as bad as some are trying to make him out to be. Like I said he was the #1 rated for a reason. To get rid of him after two injury plagued seasons is crazy talk.

Pryor has also been in the NFL since 2011. So I guess you can stop being irresponsible and deceitful.

Not to mention the time Coleman missed with injuries. Those pesky little facts really hurt the agenda though.

The injury was already mentioned. Are you claiming that Coleman had more catches per game than Gordon?

And what does Pryor being in the league longer than Coleman have to do anything? It was his first full year as a WR. He was drafted as a qb. It's not me who is being deceitful and irresponsible.

I have said this several times. I don't think the Browns should cut Coleman. The only way I can see that is if he is a huge cancer in the locker room. We have no proof of that, so I think he will be and should be on the roster this upcoming year.

I have maintained that given his draft status, he has been disappointing and that he needs to improve his play. That's not an agenda. That's the truth.

I agree with you on the reason for cutting Coleman if it comes to that. He's young and still learning, but giving up on him because he simply isn't producing while he's been injured and has the worst QB in the league throwing him passes is "such a Browns thing to do."

If you're suggesting that Pryor and Coleman have had the same amount of time as WR in the NFL (which also isn't true), then you probably should be able to explain why Coleman was better than Pryor during the 2017 season.

Coleman, 9 games, 23 catches, 305 yds, 13.3 y/r, 2 TD
Pryor, 9 games, 20 catches, 240 yds, 12.0 y/r, 1 TD

Oddly, Pryor also had a much better QB throwing him passes than Coleman...

And no, I don't think anyone is claiming Coleman has more catches per game than Gordon.

It's not Coleman. He's worth keeping.

To be fair to Coleman, it cannot be understated how unfortunate his training camp injuries have been.

That's the time for a quarterback and receiver to get on the same page. You need that practice to have any hope of executing on game day. That's the very principle that Paul Brown built this team on. Coleman has, both year, missed a large part of training camp.

That's certainly another reason to stick with him. Especially when he's ultimately a speed receiver, and that timing is necessary for his success.

That's what I feel worst about when it comes to Kizer. Coleman missed training camp, Gordon was reinstated with only two weeks of practice under his belt. That's just not enough time to feel confident or familiar with your targets. That's an impossible situation, but it does swing both ways, because it's equally difficult for Coleman (and Gordon) in assisting their success.

I agree he has been underwhelming and disappointing, but it would be premature to give up on him. Especially given that he missed half of both seasons. I think if we brought in another wideout and moved him to slot it could help. But, if he stays healthy for an entire season it will be worthwhile to make final judgements then rather than now. The question is...can he stay healthy for 16, or even most games? And, is he dependable (given his key drop...but on reflection and with time on our side there were other times in that game where we could have sealed a win so let's not place all the blame on him).

As Browns fans we are so impatient and far too quick to pull the plug if things seem to not go the way we all hope. I remember very clearly the negative criticism directed at Buster Skrine for at least two years. His third year he showed promise and became an aggressive, shifty, bothersome Jack Russell Terrier nipping at the heels of his often much taller competitor and making life difficult for them. When we didn't resign him and he went to the Jets people bemoaned the FO for letting him walk.

Pretty convinced if we let Coleman go too early it may come back to haunt us.

CC may never be a player who is worthy of the 16th pick of the draft although he is young and become that player. Even if he doesn't he could still be a good #2 or even a #3 and help this team win. He was picked high and that seems to be why there are negative opinions. I would not give up on him. With new coaches and better QB play I still feel he can be good.

Pick 15, you mean. Not that one spot matters, but it kinda does.

Still, I would advise against giving up on him just yet.

j/c:

Just wondering......has anyone said they believe the Browns should give up on him?

Just relaying my thoughts on the initial post and the article that was published. However, I think mac on page 1 said he would entertain him being traded.

If people actually WANTED to be honest, Coleman has played the WR positions for years longer than Pryor. But they don't want to be.

Those stinking people!

Of course you wish to try and pick a fight about a point that is 100% true.

Just showing my disgust for all those stinking people not sharing your moral high ground.

J/C

Corey has been a huge disappointment. However, i think he needs one more year to show us he can play. Most WR dont really turn it one until year 3 anyway. And Corey has been through QB after QB in two years (who hasnt in their career here). I know, the drops are not on the QB they are on him, and if we got anything higher than 3rd i would probably say take it. But he has shown SOME flashes here and there. And i think with Gordon back (lets hope he stays on the field) a FA vet WR, and another WR drafted or signed - it will take some of the pressure off him.

Its not his fault where he was drafted - he is and was a project WR. Give him some time - 1 more year i say.

J/C

Most on this board seem to think that every player picked in the first round should be a HOF. It doenst work that way.

Is corey worth where he was picked - no.

Does that mean he cant be worth his pick - no it does not.

Does that mean even if hes never wroth where he was picked, that he cannot still be a contributor and a good football player - absolutely not. A lot of you guys want to label someone a BUST well before they should be

Moral high ground? More like common sense lol

Not sure where to put this ... this is as good a place as any ...

I want NOTHING to do with this LOSER ...

Martavis Bryant - WR - Steelers

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Steelers are "listening to potential deals" for Martavis Bryant.

Source: NFL network

HELL NO.

Go after Landry!

I like Coleman but if they are getting rid of him send him to Miami + our last pick in the 2nd round for Landry ...

Jarvis Landry - WR - Dolphins

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport mentioned the Titans, Panthers, Saints, and Bears as teams that could be interested in a trade for franchise player Jarvis Landry.

The Titans were the first team out of RapSheet's mouth, while the other three clubs were kind of thrown out there at the end. Tennessee GM Jon Robinson has had a penchant for big trades since taking the job and needs a slot receiver after Eric Decker completely flopped as a free-agent pickup. The Titans do have sophomore Taywan Taylor as an option, but Landry would give Marcus Mariota a reliable safety blanket with Corey Davis and Rishard Matthews on the outside. Carolina and Chicago obviously also need plenty of help at receiver.

Related: Panthers, Bears, Saints, Titans

Source: NFL.comFeb 23 - 10:27 AM

It owuld have to be cheap for me to want Bryant.

Coleman and a second seems a boatload for Landry depending if he'd be willing to resign.

no to Bryant ... it also appears Landry will be elsewhere. My guess? Panthers

I would be ok if cheap.