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Here is one that is for the complete game. It's probably not exactly what you want, but it's better.

What crusade am I misguided on? What rumors have I posted? Please provide a quote or post from me where I did that. If I did it I’m truly unaware.

I’ve talked about his skill set many, many times, you just seem to be hung up on anything negative about the guy, just like you were last year with Garrett. I think it is a valid point to have at least some concern about all the rumors that are out there about the guy. Like I’ve said many many times, maybe there’s NOTHING to them. But maybe there is. We don’t know. The Browns and everyone else will do thier homework on the guy, stuff we as fans can’t do.


Didn’t ignore anything, even said I take a lot of that stuff with a grain of salt, guess you missed that.


Never once did I say Garrett was lazy, that’s you putting words in my mouth yet again. What I said last year was it looked like he was taking plays off, I’m sure a lot of players do it to some extent. Even pointed out that he was posibly doing it cause of his ankle. Which just made me question his injury history a bit more. Never once did I say it would be the smart move to not take him, never once. Even said that I felt he would be the pick.


I really don’t understand you getting so bent out of shape when someone questions your guys on here. I mean really, we’re all just fans on a message board, and all this talk on here means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. I’m not trying to attack any players you like, it may seem that way to you but it’s just not the case.


My concerns weather warranted or not shouldn’t mean anything to you or anyone else on here. I’ve never tried to sway anyone’s opinion, or change anyone’s mind. I try to be respectable towards others opinions on players, Even when I don’t agree. You just seem to take it to heart more then others.

You want to know what I think of Rosen’s skill set here’s what I see, which I e already posted a couple times....
Very cerebral player
Great mechanics
Accurate
Not gonna run around the field but is mobile within the pocket
Will make a questionable decision at times but not very often at all
Is easily the most ready to play in this draft.

Again I’ve said all this before. I try to look at a player how the FO might look at him, and I do this with all players, if there are questions in the media or other circles about a guys injury history, off the field issues, character issues, or anything g else, I’m sure It puts a red flag up for a guy until they can figure out if it really is an issue or if it’s a non-issue. They’ll do the background checks on the players in this category and determine if he’s on their draft board or not.


So when I say I have concerns, it’s not that I think they are off any draft board cause of any rumors just means I think the FO has to answer those rumors for themselves. The rumors about Rosen are unstanceated, I’ve already admitted that, just said there were enough of them to make a GM do their due-diligence on him, that’s all. Never once did I say we as a team should t take the kid cause of some rumors.


And you are right, I don’t care, cause this a message board, nothing more. If a message board was that important to me, well then there’s something wrong.

To the board.....

If I have posted any false information or repeatedly posted rumors, can someone please identify them and show me cause I truly am unaware if I did that. And by the way it sounds vers isn’t gonna respond to me about so I won’t know the examples he’s talking about. I’m sincerely asking.

I’m not on here to ruffle anyone’s feathers. So if I have done what he’s said I’d like to see the examples for the future. Thanks

There's a lot I like about Rosen, but I'm not sure he's the best fit for Hue. If we ran more of a timing-based, short passing, west coast system, he'd be ideal.

I'm not saying he couldn't work here, but I'm not sure it is the best fit. My biggest on field concern is his arm strength/deep ball. It can be adequate, but he really has to gear up at times and can't "muscle it in" on the run with all arm like some QBs. People point to the UCLA game as an epic comeback, but I see just as much of an epic collapse. The TD shortly before the 8 minute mark in the 4th is an example of my concern. A lot just happened to bounce right for Rosen. The ball was underthrown and went right through the DBs hands. The other deep ball TD was also underthrown and he had another possible INT dropped by the LB during the comeback.

He's still probably the "safest" QB pick if the medical checks out. I also think the "arm strength" can improve and he can get a better grip on what he can and can't get away with.

My preference would still probably be for Lamar (some fit concerns there, too), but I think Rosen can/will have success early on in the league.

tab............we've talked in PMs and you know where I stand in regards to your health.

I am not getting on you or anyone, but I feel my point in all of this is being lost.

I am NOT trying to convince anyone to like Rosen. That would be stupid. The Browns aren't going to listen to us anyway.

I have no problem if someone thinks a guy like Darnold is a better qb than Rosen. You don't see me slamming bonefish.

I have one contention. So please all of you read this carefully:

It has been stated over and over that Rosen's coaches and teammates don't like him and don't think he is a good leader. That simply is not true. I searched the net as much as I could and there is not one freaking quote from a player or a coach that verifies that claim. The reports are from outside sources. Thus, I think continually talking about players and coaches not liking Rosen and saying he is a bad leader is wrong.

That's it!

How is that not clear?

And I am not saying his teammates love him or think he is a great leader. I'm simply saying saying that his coaches and teammates have NOT made the statements that some of our posters keep repeating over and over again.

Don't sweat it.

I try to keep it football. But sometimes against my/anyone's best efforts they end up bogged down/mixed up in some bizarre misunderstandings....sometimes its people talking past each other or misreading or maybe sometimes its intentional. Who's to say?

But, people reading through the threads and can follow the conversations and i assume see things as they are.

Oh my....

I give up.

I charted the Rosen's USC game in the film breakdown thread...

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...lat/fpart/2/q/1

If you're looking for the cut-up of every pass from the USC game its in the YouTube video in the quoted post below...look forwards to yours or anyone else comments about the plays from that game:

False.

A person's opinions aren't false. You can disagree, but that doesn't make you or wrong.

Alright, I dare anyone to watch the UCLA/USC tape and tell me that Rosen didn't move in the pocket to buy time, improvise, and make plays. In fact, it was one of the things I was going to point out when discussing the video earlier w/PDX, because earlier in the year, Swish said Rosen was a statue that couldn't move in the pocket. I left it out because I was making other points.

I think Rosen is a fit for any system. I don't think he's limited to a short passing wco and Hue's system is timing based. But 'Hue's' offense is kinda a moot discussion point now because its going to be Haley's offense. Anyhow...imo Rosen, when protected, is the best pocket passer in this draft class. And the OL even without Joe Thomas was solid last year.

He doesn't have the arm of Allen or Jackson but definitely has an NFL caliber arm.

The passes you mentioned here made my list of off target passes and/or bad decisions for my USC game chart. Some of them maybe on the gifs i made from that game...which i'll post later...if anyone wants to discuss...already posted them in the film breakdown thread so its just copy and paste.

random "Plus" plays from the USC game:

Some "Minus" plays

I am interested in the plays I may have missed that illustrate your disagreement with the quoted portion.

Specifically:
Limited in terms of mobility.
Which plays show plus mobility?

Did not avoid sacks or escape from the pocket to extend plays.
Which plays show him avoiding sacks or escaping from the pocket to extend plays

Did not throw on the move.
Which plays were movement throws?

Didn't bring much to the table this game in terms of playmaking or improvisation.Which plays illustrate playmaking or improvisation?

What plays did I miss the counter these exact points? I don't think anyone, myself included, charts ~140+ plus plays and doesn't miss a play here or there; so i'm all ears. I love talking football plays and would be interested in the plays you think I may have missed. I would be glad to create and post the gifs you suggest that I may have missed for discussion. Just let me know their time stamp.

eI just posted all of his throws. You saw them. Even the announcers were saying how he was buying time. I am not going to go back and post the exact second that each play occurred. I've watched that video enough already.

If that translates into you winning the argument that Rosen does not buy time in the pocket and make throws under pressure, so be it. I really don't care. I spoke my mind and that is enough.

One last thing..............for those of you who actually watched the video or will.......please try and remember/look for what ed and I are talking about. The dude moves in the pocket. He buys time. He throws w/guys in his face. You will see it if you really watch the video and not listen to others who make thnigs up.

Stop Vers. I'm actually trying to have a football discussion that talks about actual plays...in detail. But if you don't feel like doing it that's fine but don't try to spin into something else.

Stop. YOU responded saying my observations were false. So you know full well that I didn't say: Rosen does not buy time in the pocket and make throws under pressure
^^That comment is pure goal post shifting bull strawman crap.

In fact in my game chart I list: 13
Under pressure plays:
1:01
1:46
2:14
3:03
3:49
4:09
4:56
6:36
6:53
7:20
8:54
10:05
10:23

But to actually know that you would have needed to take more then 5 minutes you took to reply to my post. And again the vid in my post contains more plays then the highlight vid you posted.

Apparently you were in such a rush to hurry up and disagree and be argumentative you apparently didn't even bother to read the specific comments you claimed were false which again are:
Specifically:
Limited in terms of mobility.
Which plays show plus mobility?

Did not avoid sacks or escape from the pocket to extend plays.
Which plays show him avoiding sacks or escaping from the pocket to extend plays

Did not throw on the move.
Which plays were movement throws?

Didn't bring much to the table this game in terms of playmaking or improvisation.Which plays illustrate playmaking or improvisation?

Again, I would be interested in the plays where you think Rosen displayed traits that countered my actual comments.

The offer is on the table for actual football discussion. Heck, i'll even do the leg work of creating and posting the gifs.

Let's talk football or not, but enough with the bs.

Good luck with that. I've asked him to justify many of the comments he makes, but he just...vanishes. And then randomly reappears criticizing my opinions by calling them lies.

Moving on...


The link you provided did not take, at least for me, but it is from the other thread you mentioned... The thing about Rosen for me, and it is just my opinion, but he seems to just get lazy at times and he's like, eh whatever.

tab - nothing but positive thoughts. hang in there!