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How ready is he for the NFL game? Jackson is a rare runner who has a strong arm and a quick release that yield some "wow" moments on tape, and he's improved overall as a QB over three years in Bobby Petrino's offense, which utilizes pro concepts. One AFC executive called Jackson the "most dynamic" of any QB in this draft; another AFC scout said he might have the highest ceiling. But Jackson's accuracy has been inconsistent, and many scouts describe his game as one-read-and-go, so teams are certain to challenge him on the board. "It's the same thing for every one of these quarterbacks," an NFC executive said. "I just think with Lamar, it's a little further away. And then they kind of tell you that a little bit at the school, if you talk to the right people." That exec also predicted the majority of NFL teams won't have Jackson evaluated as a full-time quarterback, though other scouts pushed back on the idea he's destined for another position, at least in the long run. "To be able to read defenses and play in the pocket -- I'm not saying he can't, he's really talented, but it's going to take him awhile to do that," another NFC exec said. "Now, you can throw him in there and he's going to run around and make plays, but how long can you do that? I like the kid. You're going to have to really adjust what you do offensively." A team that wants to run an outside zone-heavy, Kyle Shanahan-type offense heavy on play-action that could exploit Jackson's mobility is an intriguing fit.
How does he measure up? Jackson is easily the lightest of the top QBs at 6-3 and 200 pounds -- a point of some concern for a player whose role in the short term may be as a red-zone package threat, meaning he's bound to take some hits. "His weight's going to be big on him," an NFC executive said. "He hasn't been hurt, but he is a leaner dude."
Why didn't he hire an agent? Negotiating rookie contracts isn't exactly difficult under the rookie wage system. It's well-documented that Jackson's mother, Felicia Jones, has been a strong influence in her son's life, and it's believed she's running the show here, too. But as one AFC scout pointed out, that's an unusual tack for a top quarterback prospect to take, given the ringer these guys are put through in the run-up to the draft.
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i hope he has an impressive combine and pro day.
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I kind of hope he bombs and we can get him in round 2.
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But Jackson's accuracy has been inconsistent, and many scouts describe his game as one-read-and-go, so teams are certain to challenge him on the board. Sounds familiar somehow. Damn scouts must be racist, too.
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But Jackson's accuracy has been inconsistent, and many scouts describe his game as one-read-and-go, so teams are certain to challenge him on the board. Sounds familiar somehow. Damn scouts must be racist, too. I think inconsistent with his accuracy is a fair assessment... and a better choice than inaccurate. One read and go does somewhat characterize his game in the sense of that is how he was used fairly often but I'm not sure it describes his skill set. I hope teams challenge him on the whiteboards, I think he can/will impress there. I don't think they are racist, but I do think many scouts are somewhat biased towards "traditional" pocket passers and resistant to change.
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good stuff cfrs15 ty and he's improved overall as a QB over three years in Bobby Petrino's offense, which utilizes pro concepts....But Jackson's accuracy has been inconsistent, and many scouts describe his game as one-read-and-go, so teams are certain to challenge him on the board. I think inconsistent with his accuracy is a fair assessment... and a better choice than inaccurate.
One read and go does somewhat characterize his game in the sense of that is how he was used fairly often but I'm not sure it describes his skill set.
I hope teams challenge him on the whiteboards, I think he can/will impress there. I wanted to address some points from the article that stuck out to me. First the bolded portion stuck out to me because I think it often gets lost in the discussion on Lamar. Petrino's offense has pro-concepts. Also, Louisville's passing game didn't throw as many 'gimme' completions as some of the other QBs which affects his comp%. I agree that Lamar's accuracy has been inconsistent that's a fair assessment; he misses some throws he simply shouldn't miss. But I think the inconsistent accuracy label applies to Darnold as well and much more so for Allen. If you look at Ian Wharton's charting for accuracy Darnold is only 1% ahead of Jackson (68 vs 69)and when you look at adjusted comp% Lamar actually comes out ahead of Darnold. (73.3 vs 71.3) The description that some scouts think he's a 1-read and go QB imho can be dispelled on film. I know in the games I've watched I've seen him working through some progressions.* Does he work through progression as often and as well as Rosen? Nope. And does he bail from the pocket at times? Sure and with his skillset it often worked out. And sometimes they're designed drop and go QB draws. I've also watched Darnold and especially Allen bail from the pocket earlier as well. For me the label of Lamar as 1-read go QB doesn't fit. The white board is going to be a good opportunity for Lamar. I think Petrino's offense got him prepared then some think. I really hate that Jon Gruden is back to coaching, this would have been a good year for his QB camps. I haven't heard anyone mention this but Lamar seems like a quiet kid like Marcus Mariota and I think that's another aspect of his personality that might get challenged in the meeting room and may be something that he'll need to work on. Btw, have you heard about him having his mom as his agent?....i don't think that's a wise decision and i doubt its going to go over well with NFL teams.
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j/c...
Look this is not about racism this
draft is about where the Browns are going to pick.
#1 and #4
Here is the fact:
Only Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield Will be taken that high.
I dont believe this crap about Allen and it seems only the Browns draft him...lol 
The other QBs:
Lamar, Rudolph, and there will be some surprise guy who will move up.These all could jump into the first but no where close to our #4.
Oh there might be a perfect QB to be taken at#33 except for one thing.
We will already have our drafted QB.
So that is why I simply will not talk about these QBs. WHY??? This is not to insult you posters who like those QBs. What part dont you agree with?
RB yes, DBs yes, LBs yes but if we are planning on getting our Franchise QB in that 2nd round.
Now there is plenty of time between the opening of FA to the start if the draft.
If we commit to a starting QB long term. Then and only then will we consider the best of the rest.
I think Cousins is the only one that puts us in that market.
No AJ does not cut the cheese.
Now these are where you all can debate I guess. So what we will do will be determined by March.
I just cannot believe we just fired a guy (Sashi) who did not draft the QB and we do not take 1 of three very good QBs at the overall #1 pjck it just wont happ.
Sorry Lamar, Rudolph and other fans it just aint happening.
Not being a jerk just keeping it real.
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I can see us drafting a QB in the 2nd round if we sign Cousins (doubt it ) AJ, or a Vikings or Eagles backup QB... I think Lamar is a great QB,but don't think Hue and specially Haley will ever consider him. I honestly think/fear Lamar will be drafted by the Stealers and will make our life miserable for the next decade, I actually though that last year about Deshaun... I honestly don't think the Stealers will pass on him... and can probably trade up to get him. http://www.espn.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_...iper-says-maybe
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I can see us drafting a QB in the 2nd round if we sign Cousins (doubt it ) AJ, or a Vikings or Eagles backup QB... If we sign AJ and let that stop us from taking a QB with the first pick then we deserve another 0-16 season.
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I can see us drafting a QB in the 2nd round if we sign Cousins (doubt it ) AJ, or a Vikings or Eagles backup QB... I think Lamar is a great QB,but don't think Hue and specially Haley will ever consider him. I honestly think/fear Lamar will be drafted by the Stealers and will make our life miserable for the next decade, I actually though that last year about Deshaun... I honestly don't think the Stealers will pass on him... and can probably trade up to get him. http://www.espn.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_...iper-says-maybeThis is hopefully smoke and mirrors. Didn't they just state that they've been shielding Big Ben from contact? Now they want Lamar? While I think Lamar is the most durable dual threat QB we've seen since Wilson, I know that's not a common opinion. Personally I hope he goes to the Jags, could you imagine RPOs with that offense? That's terrifying. Imo they'd be the instant super bowl favorites.
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I can’t speak for others but I just like to talk about any and all of the prospects, regardless if the Browns are looking at them or not. To me, it’s all just football talk. I don’t necessarily picture them getting drafted by the Browns.
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I think Lamar is a great QB,but don't think Hue and specially Haley will ever consider him. You're probably right. Net-net I don't think Lamar to the Browns is the right fit given the current situation. However; the flip side to your points specifically about whether Hue/Haley would go after a QB like Lamar..... in 2016 the Bengals gained more yards from RPO's then any team in the league, although Hue was gone a lot of their RPO concepts are his concepts. And the Steeler's drafted Josh Dobbs and its been said that Haley's has a lot of influence when drafting players.
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I think Lamar is a great QB,but don't think Hue and specially Haley will ever consider him. You're probably right. Net-net I don't think Lamar to the Browns is the right fit given the current situation. However; the flip side to your points specifically about whether Hue/Haley would go after a QB like Lamar..... in 2016 the Bengals gained more yards from RPO's then any team in the league, although Hue was gone a lot of their RPO concepts are his concepts. And the Steeler's drafted Josh Dobbs and its been said that Haley's has a lot of influence when drafting players. Big Ben was complaining about the lack of freedom, which I think that's why Haley was cut.. Don't think Haley would have signed with the Browns without conditions and input on the QB... All and all I think Hue and Haley are on the same page and either its going to be AJ or Rosen...that's my feeling, maybe both.
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long time ago before any of the draft stuff startedsomebody stated they found out who Hue liked.
Vers... it was Rosen.
Oh no link just memory hope its ok... 
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Lamar Jackson hasn't hired an agent and is letting him mom advise him. https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sp...gent/374129002/If she says she can beat Michael Jordan one on one then I am officially out on Lamar Jackson.
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Yeah, I saw that. Crazy.
I can't imagine that's going to go over well in the interview room.....plus its just a bad decision.
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odd. i dunno if thats a good idea but we will see.
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That can only end badly !
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Yeah, I saw that. Crazy.
I can't imagine that's going to go over well in the interview room.....plus its just a bad decision. Why would it not go over well in an interview? I would think the reaction would depend upon his reasoning.
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odd. i dunno if thats a good idea but we will see. Whether you like Lamar or not, you know this is a bad idea.
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That can only end badly !
I think its a smart move.
1. The rookie contracts are pretty much locked in why give 10-15%
Away without doing much work.
2. He will have 4-5 years to get an agent or figure out himself what the market is dictating.
3. or he can just come on this board. We know how to run the team, coach the team, etc. Etc. Lol
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Yeah, I saw that. Crazy.
I can't imagine that's going to go over well in the interview room.....plus its just a bad decision. Why would it not go over well in an interview? I would think the reaction would depend upon his reasoning. Its been said that team official really push the prospects hard during the interviews and some teams ask borderline possibly inappropriate questions. Just think about how much of an easy target the 'mom as agent' topic will be for an interviewer looking to get under his skin. As far as being a bad decision there is so much going on behind the scenes that an connected agent can help with....for example I just heard that some teams requested for Lamar to work out at WR. I think an agent could have worked that out before hand.
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Yeah, I saw that. Crazy.
I can't imagine that's going to go over well in the interview room.....plus its just a bad decision. Why would it not go over well in an interview? I would think the reaction would depend upon his reasoning. Its been said that team official really push the prospects hard during the interviews and some teams ask borderline possibly inappropriate questions. Just think about how much of an easy target the 'mom as agent' topic will be for an interviewer looking to get under his skin. As far as being a bad decision there is so much going on behind the scenes that an connected agent can help with....for example I just heard that some teams requested for Lamar to work out at WR. I think an agent could have worked that out before hand. or he could've hired an agent, only for that guy to be pushing lamar to indeed work out as WR, when that isn't what he wants whatsoever. Tab brought up a good point about these rookie contracts being a lock anyway, so with that in mind, why would Lamar hire an agent who's only gonna try to push him to play WR when he could just let someone who actually believes that he can make it in this league as a QB, like his mom, handle on the other crap while he focuses on training as a QB and gain more knowledge on the position? at this point, i have dodged it long enough, and i have tried my hardest to be respectful with this topic on this board and not mention race. but damn man, im sick of these people telling black QB's to change positions, while these white guys like Allen, who doesn't have the talent of lamar, be touted as some prototypical QB, even though he sucked ass in college. people tried to pull the same crap on Watson. tried to label him a running QB, even though he had better passing numbers and RESULTS over golden white boy Trubisky. the crap is infuriating man. nobody wants to give Lamar a chance, but just his PASSING numbers says he's better than Allen, had better numbers than even Darnold and Rosen, but somehow HE'S the one that has to change positions? as if he didn't win the heisman for being a dynamic DUAL THREAT. man screw that.
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Yeah, I saw that. Crazy.
I can't imagine that's going to go over well in the interview room.....plus its just a bad decision. Why would it not go over well in an interview? I would think the reaction would depend upon his reasoning. Its been said that team official really push the prospects hard during the interviews and some teams ask borderline possibly inappropriate questions. Just think about how much of an easy target the 'mom as agent' topic will be for an interviewer looking to get under his skin. As far as being a bad decision there is so much going on behind the scenes that an connected agent can help with....for example I just heard that some teams requested for Lamar to work out at WR. I think an agent could have worked that out before hand. or he could've hired an agent, only for that guy to be pushing lamar to indeed work out as WR, when that isn't what he wants whatsoever. No one would hire an agent that doesn't share the same vision as the prospect. The hypothetical you're making would never happen. Tab brought up a good point about these rookie contracts being a lock anyway, so with that in mind, why would Lamar hire an agent who's only gonna try to push him to play WR when he could just let someone who actually believes that he can make it in this league as a QB, like his mom, handle on the other crap while he focuses on training as a QB and gain more knowledge on the position? Because an agent does much, much more then just negotiate a contract. Everything you mention an agent would help with. An agent that actually done it before and knows the ropes and has connections. For example do you remember Ryan Tannehill? He actually played WR for 2 seasons in college and was good. He moved to QB his Senior year and half his Junior year. But he didn't do any drill work as a WR and wasn't listed as QB/WR. I believe an agent could've helped Lamar navigate the QB/WR situation that has popped up at the combine.
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the problem is how many agents will have the same vision as lamar?
lamar knows who does at least; his mom.
there was a lot less noise for Tannehill staying at QB going into the draft than there is for Lamar to swap to WR.
i heard some chatter about how Pryor should've swapped to WR early and people trying to compare lamar to that.
Lamar was way better at QB than Pryor, and it isn't remotely close.
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I think part of it is because Lamar and Watson actually have the ability to be good at another position. However, that shouldn't automatically preclude them from being good QBs as well. Good QBs are more valuable than any other position, so the urge to push them elsewhere is somewhat strange. -on the mom/agent topic: If I'm Lamar, I'm fine with them asking questions about my mom. She doesn't sound like a stereotypical mother or a Lavar Ball type either: http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...iner-was-mother
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the problem is how many agents will have the same vision as lamar? In my humble opinion I think you are making an assumption that doesn't match reality. No player would ever sign an agent that wasn't working 100% for that prospect interests. To me the situation you describe is purely fictional. there was a lot less noise for Tannehill staying at QB going into the draft than there is for Lamar to swap to WR. You are missing my point/steam rolling my point. Handling whether or not your prospect will work out at QB and/or WR is something an agent can handle before the combine. Imho if Lamar had an agent the teams would already know don't bother asking him to run routes as WR because he's only doing WR stuff. And Lamar would be listed as QB and the current situation with Lamar being listed as QB and WR at the combine wouldn't have happened. It appears you aren't willing to take my word for it and that's fine. But if you looked up the role of an agent during the combine/draft process imho you would have a different view.
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i'm simply giving an opinion bro.
i'm not disagreeing with your overall point, but SOMETHING is going on as to why Lamar decided to roll with his mom rather than hire an agent.
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Oh, i'm sure Lamar is fine with them asking questions about his mother but having his mom as his agent invites a whole other area for team officials to pick at that the other prospects don't have. There is 0 chance this is a net positive for his draft process. Think about the usual type of personalities team officials have. Its a esoteric close knit circle. I read the article Lamar's mom sounds awesome...but it doesn't make her qualified to be an agent.
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i'm simply giving an opinion bro. I'm just giving my opinion we're all cool here. We just have different views on the importance and role of having an agent. i'm not disagreeing with your overall point, but SOMETHING is going on as to why Lamar decided to roll with his mom rather than hire an agent. Just seems like a bad decision to me.........What do you think is going on?
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JMHO, agent like real estate agent...do you need them. Culpepper represented himself...saved thousands/maybe hundred thousand....why your MOM, saving money...IS she college educated/or smart, smarter than her college educated son....I'd question using your MOM.....Go Browns!!!
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JMHO, agent like real estate agent...do you need them. Culpepper represented himself...saved thousands/maybe hundred thousand....why your MOM, saving money...IS she college educated/or smart, smarter than her college educated son....I'd question using your MOM.....Go Browns!!! The contract he will sign was agreed upon years ago in the last CBA, so who cares? At this point in the game, an agent will provide enough capital so his client can work out at NFL level facilities and maybe get an endorsement deal with a mid-major sports company. I'm glad Lamar is going to save 3% of whatever money he's getting.
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I would agree if agents only did contracts and endorsements.
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i dunno. and i dunno if we're gonna get an explanation until after the combine.
lets just hope this decision doesn't backfire on him. his mom hasn't pulled a lavar ball or Archie manning yet so...hey i guess so far so good.
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In my book its already backfiring: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-work-out-as-wrAn agent could have handled the above issue for him prior to the combine. And informed teams that Lamar is only working at QB.
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...What's wrong with working out at WR? ...The more you can do....
Focus on the QB stuff, but if they want to see you run (WR drills), let them see you run. I think a bigger deal is being made of it than it is.
Can he be a back up QB and still see the field?
It's a somewhat unique situation. He's a unique player.
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...What's wrong with working out at WR? ...The more you can do....
Focus on the QB stuff, but if they want to see you run (WR drills), let them see you run. I think a bigger deal is being made of it than it is.
Can he be a back up QB and still see the field?
It's a somewhat unique situation. He's a unique player.
There's nothing "wrong" with it. But no one is going to ask Josh Allen to workout with the TEs tomorrow. When you're a serious QB prospect then you're not going to try out for other positions. An Agent would've helped in this situation.
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of course they spent the first quarter of the presser asking him about WR related topics.
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