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Daman....where did you hear that Quinn was asking for top 10 money?
Radio talking head, TV talking head or internet talking head?
No one can force Browns fans to stop hating on Quinn due to the normal negotiating process.
No one can stop Browns fans from speculating about what is going on with Quinn's financial business.
Actually, there was an article that was posted here that talked about him or his agent wanting Top 10 money... And I don't think it was ever verified to be true,,, It's pure speculation at this point,,
I don't hate Quinn,, But I don't have a "man crush" on him either.
I understand and accept that he has to do whats right and get the biggest contract he can.. I have no problem with that as long as he's not expecting to be paid like a Top 10 pick.. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer than that...
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Best that Quinn remain silent.
It would be nice if the Browns coaches and front office people did the same. So far, I believe only Crennel has mentioned Quinn's contract issues. It would be best if Crennel put a zipper on his lip too.
It's a ploy Mac... Both sides always leak things to the press in an effort to get the other side off the dime,,, It happens every year with just about every top pick in the draft..
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As I pointed out, Quinn was probably rated much higher on everyone's draft board than where he was selected. The Browns were lucky to get him at 22.
Just cause you pointed it out, doesn't make it so Mac,,, I bet you are right, but who really knows.
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But picking Quinn at 22 does not mean he will accept a #22 slot contract.
I for one, never expected him to sign for #22 money...NEVER. In fact I'll go one step further and say, I don't remember any fan posting to this board saying he should accept #22 money. In fact, I remember a post I put up saying that what needs to be looked at is #22 money from last year, the put the normal year to year boost on it and then add more to it to make it befitting a QB.... How much more I never speculated on,, But more!
From the very first day when we drafted him, there was speculation about what might happen and sure enough, some of the hold out talk was well founded as we can see...
Oh and Mac,,, I am relaxed,,,, I'm OK with Charlie or Anderson for our Starter.. I have no problem picking from those two cause I don't believe that QB was our biggest issue as some seem to think. I have no problem with the Browns Picking Quinn, but I still say it wasn't necessary.
But hey, if it works out, Quinn comes in, lights it up and plays like Marino,, I'm gonna be a real happy camper,,, I can live with that thought,,,, 
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Actually, there was an article that was posted here that talked about him or his agent wanting Top 10 money... And I don't think it was ever verified to be true,,, It's pure speculation at this point,,
I think that all got started when one of the ESPN talking heads made a comment about "WHAT IF" Brady Quinn wanted Matt Leinart type money... (11th pick)... I heard that on ESPN a week ago and that seems to be when all of this "he want's top 10 money" stuff started flying... so I'm thinking that may be where it started.
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Well, I heard it on the radio yesterday and I can't remember who said it but that Quinn wanted top 10 money. It may have come from that instance, though.
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Maybe he does, who knows... I, along with others, predicted right after we drafted him that this situation was likely to arise... He's not the first player to fall in the draft and want paid based on his PROJECTED pick as opposed to his actual spot...
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quinn who?
RAC said something about we are missing a Quaterback... is that him?
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My advice to Brady Quinn was not to talk to the fans or the media because he owes them nothing, not even a comment about the contract negotiations. To comment to fans who get their info from idiot talking heads like Jim Rome or some local guy, just makes things worse.
Best that Quinn remain silent.
Media always needs a villian and right now with Brady's hold out no matter what the reason, the media is gonna jump all over that, Brady is a easy, easy target right now and the whole things sells papers, and makes ya dial in on Tv or radio....just my .02
Clay...you got it fellow dawg. I can imagine what the locals are ranting and raving about on the TV and radio tonight.
The point is, these talking heads have their own agenda in mind...being as ridiculous as they can to promote their own stations. In the process, they whoop the fans up into a frenzy and lay the ground work for hating another Browns QB.
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quinn who?
RAC said something about we are missing a Quaterback... is that him?
Nah.... I think he was talking about Cribbs... He's currently stuck playing receiver and returning Kick Offs....  
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Actually, there was an article that was posted here that talked about him or his agent wanting Top 10 money... And I don't think it was ever verified to be true,,, It's pure speculation at this point,,
Daman...yep, precisley my point...speculation...
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I understand and accept that he has to do whats right and get the biggest contract he can.. I have no problem with that as long as he's not expecting to be paid like a Top 10 pick.. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer than that...
Daman..." as long as he's not expecting to be paid like a Top 10 pick."...
I can't make it any clearer that it's not your business what his contract numbers are. What are you gonna do, hate Quinn forever if his people negotiate a top 10 contract for Quinn?...You gonna hold the contract Quinn agrees to over his head as long as he's with the Browns just because that contract does not meet "your" expectations?
Daman...not your contract, not your business...can't make it any clearer.
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It's a ploy Mac... Both sides always leak things to the press in an effort to get the other side off the dime,,, It happens every year with just about every top pick in the draft..
Like I said, best both sides stay away from the media. The media distorts and makes stuff up at the cost of the team and the players involved.
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Just cause you pointed it out, doesn't make it so Mac,,, I bet you are right, but who really knows.
Daman...as I pointed out in the last post, I would lay money on it that Quinn's team of negotiators know where Quinn was rated on various teams draft boards, including the Browns draft board.
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From the very first day when we drafted him, there was speculation about what might happen and sure enough, some of the hold out talk was well founded as we can see...
When one of the top players in the draft slides to #22, the contract process could be a little more difficult.
But, when we fans look at the entire scheme of things and realize, Quinn may be the QB that takes us to a Super Bowl win, these issues in his first contract will be forgotten.
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Mac how in the world would Bradys team know where he was rated on the Browns board? Did Phil call them up and say "we had you at hello....er....at 12"? I doubt it. And as far was where other teams rated him, it apperently wasn't very high as all the ones before we moved up passed on him.
Also, given the contracts that Phil and co. have done, and the money paid out I really doubt the browns are being cheap here. I totally agree that he should do his best to secure a good contract. However, the reality is that the was drafted aty 22. He shouuld get slot 22 money, with decent esculators (how do you spell that?) to tie into playing time. I have a feeling the browns are offerring that plus something in line with #18-23 money.
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You know what your frecking problem is Mac, you think I care what you think... and I don't.. I'll discuss anything I want to on this board unless the Refs and/or PPE tell me I can't...
If I want to speculate on what a guy wants, I'm gonna do it and I don't need you to tell me I can'l... Got it!
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What are you gonna do, hate Quinn forever if his people negotiate a top 10 contract for Quinn?...
I'd have a big grudge with Phil Savage and those who got the deal done.
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You know what your frecking problem is Mac, you think I care what you think... and I don't.. I'll discuss anything I want to on this board unless the Refs and/or PPE tell me I can't...
If I want to speculate on what a guy wants, I'm gonna do it and I don't need you to tell me I can'l... Got it!
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LOL OK,, sorry shotty! 
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You gonna hold the contract Quinn agrees to over his head as long as he's with the Browns just because that contract does not meet "your" expectations?
Man I just caught this part of your silly rant.....
Of course I wouldn't hold it against Quinn... But I would think that Savage is DUMB for offering it...
I finally get it, you have a man crush on Quinn so anything that anyone says that doesn't start with "Quinn is a GOD" then you think it's a knock on Quinn,,
How frecking blind are you?
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Just a thought...
Condon has only one client left, right?
Why not fly into Berea, lock the door with Savage and everyone else in there, and not leave until we have a contract done?
Doesn't seem like a difficult concept to me.
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Just a thought...
Condon has only one client left, right?
Why not fly into Berea, lock the door with Savage and everyone else in there, and not leave until we have a contract done?
Doesn't seem like a difficult concept to me.
You would think it be that easy......but it never is. Quinn and JaMarcus will probably sign near the same time. One was drafted high while the other thinks they should have been drafted just as high. We shall see...
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your all BLOWHARDS .... every single one of U thats TAKING SIDES .... gimma a break ... how can anyone take sides when they have NO CLUE what the OFFERS are on the table ... u guys are a JOKE .... ALL OF U TAKING SIDES are talking out your butts ... NONE of u have a CLUE ... NOT ONE OF U ...
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The Dayton Daily News reports that Brady Quinn's contract holdout has reached four days, nine if you count rookie orientation. At this point, the Quinn negotiations are all about guaranteed money. The Browns are offering $8 million, which is what the No. 22 overall pick typically can get, but agent Tom Condon thinks Quinn should get more.
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I'm told the Browns and Condon are extremely close on the dollar amount in the contract, with only structure and early guaranteed money now standing in the way.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/07/31/quinn/index.html
Now that is two reports stating a similar theme. Are they accurate? I don't have a clue. Just like I don't have a clue about whatever the media states. If it is true I look at this.
# Team Player Contract Length Amount Guarantee
1 Oakland: Russell, JaMarcus QB
2 Detroit: Johnson, Calvin WR
3 Cleveland: Thomas, Joe OT 6yrs (voidable after 5 years) $42.5M. $22/23M.
4 Tampa Bay: Adams, Gaines DE 6 years $46M. $18.56M.
5 Arizona: Brown, Levi OT
6 Washington: Landry, LaRon FS
7 Minnesota: Peterson, Adrian RB Peterson signed a five-year, $40.5 million deal with $17 million in guaranteed money
8 Atlanta (from Houston): Anderson, Jamaal DE 5 years $31M. $15.361M.
9 Miami: Ginn Jr., Ted WR, 5yrs, $$$ to be determined.
10 Houston (from Atlanta): Okoye, Amobi DT.6yrs (voidable after 5) $12.785 Mil in guarantees, $17.6Mil in max value.
11 San Francisco: Willis, Patrick ILB
12 Buffalo: Lynch, Marshawn RB 5 years $18.935M. $10.285M.
13 St. Louis: Carriker, Adam DE. 5yrs, $9.4mil in guarantees, $14.5mil
14 N.Y. Jets (from Carolina): Revis, Darrelle CB
15 Pittsburgh: Timmons, Lawrence OLB 5 years $15M. $8.053M.
16 Green Bay: Harrell, Justin DT, 5yrs, $14.5 million and $15 million with all incentives included $8 million in guaranteed
17 Denver (from Jacksonville): Moss, Jarvis DE Signed, no terms as of yet.
18 Cincinnati: Hall, Leon CB five-year deal, that guarantees him $8.2 million and could be worth $13.6 million overall
19 Tennessee: Griffin, Michael FS Terms of the deal were not disclosed
20 N.Y. Giants: Ross, Aaron CB 5 years $13.5M. $8M.
21 Jacksonville (from Denver): Nelson, Reggie FS 5yrs, $13.1mil , $7.1M guaranteed.
22 Cleveland (from Dallas): Quinn, Brady QB
23 Kansas City: Bowe, Dwayne WR
24 New England (from Seattle): Meriweather, Brandon FS, 5yrs, $8.75 million with $6 million in bonuses and guarantees
25 Carolina (from N.Y. Jets): Beason, Jon OLB
26 Dallas (from Philadelphia): Spencer, Anthony DE 5 years $9M. $6M.
27 New Orleans: Meachem, Robert WR 5 years $11.3M. $5.71M.
28 San Francisco (from New England): Staley, Joe OT 5 years $8M. $5.6M
29 Baltimore: Grubbs, Ben G 5 years $11M. $5.22M
30 San Diego: Davis, Craig WR 5 years $7.83M. $5.5M.
31 Chicago: Olsen, Greg TE 5 years $7.769M. $4.9M.
32 Indianapolis: Gonzalez, Anthony WR 5 years $7.5M. $5.4M.
Now what do you think the Browns should give him as far as guaranteed money? If we end up giving him more than the #15 pick (a little over 8 mil) why would that be fair?
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See #18-23 type money as an option paid in full say 8-9 million, and a salary in line with being picked #2 and then go after escalator type things tied into playing time, stats whatever.
I saw on profootballtalk.com that Quinn is calling Condon all the time now so maybe he IS starting to tell his agent to sign the dang contract.
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So he holds out for bigger "guaranteed" money,....where is OUR guarantee that he produces ??
I'm about to let the spolied Dublin, Notre Dame brat walk. 22 is 22; get your can to camp.
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So he holds out for bigger "guaranteed" money,....where is OUR guarantee that he produces ??
I'm about to let the spolied Dublin, Notre Dame brat walk. 22 is 22; get your can to camp.
Edwards and Winslow held out longer, would you let them walk too?
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So he holds out for bigger "guaranteed" money,....where is OUR guarantee that he produces ??
I'm about to let the spolied Dublin, Notre Dame brat walk. 22 is 22; get your can to camp.
Edwards and Winslow held out longer, would you let them walk too?
i pointed this out maybe in this thread but its exactly right... he hasnt even been out a week and this was expected.
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I can't make it any clearer that it's not your business what his contract numbers are.
Yeah?? Well mac, we're making it our business, if that's OK with you.
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So he holds out for bigger "guaranteed" money,....where is OUR guarantee that he produces ??
I'm about to let the spolied Dublin, Notre Dame brat walk. 22 is 22; get your can to camp.
Edwards and Winslow held out longer, would you let them walk too?
i pointed this out maybe in this thread but its exactly right... he hasnt even been out a week and this was expected.
EVERY YEAR we do this song and dance. We're ready to crucify them and two years from now we'll forget it ever happened. Whatever happens happens as far as I'm concerned. He'll be in soon enough.
EDIT: Remember Winslow's holdout? That was 10x worse than this one. The difference being now the microscope is on Quinn even closer due to him being a QB and the fact that our QB's are reportedly playing like rubbish in training camp.
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I hate Quinn.
I think he's a pretty boy little punk.
That could absolutely thrash you with one hand tied behind his back.
When will this end?
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Before i answer your questions or try to anyhow ... Ginn signed a contract with the $$$ to be determined .. *LOL* .... am i the only one that finds that very wierd?? *L* Quote:
Now what do you think the Browns should give him as far as guaranteed money?
i can't answer this without KNOWING THE OTHER DETAILS ... U posted all those contracts .. and guess what ... IT ONLY GIVES U A SMALL AMOUNT OF THE INFO U NEED .... u guys think it gives u all this info ... like the gauranteed $$$$ ... oooohhhh .. that tells us alot ... WELL NOT REALLY ...
I want u to look at Leon Halls contract figures u posted and tell me exactly what they mean ... then i'll show u how LITTLE THEY ACTUALLY TELL u ...
now with BQ ... the amount gauranteed would be tied into the INCENTIVE PART and how hard they are to meet and HOW MUCH THEY ARE ... it would be tied into VIOIDABLE YEARS and how easy it is to achieve voidibility ....
the MORE gauranteed he gets .. the LESS he gets for incentives and the HARDER it is for him to Void the last year or two ... If i was Condon thats what i would do ...
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If we end up giving him more than the #15 pick (a little over 8 mil) why would that be fair?
for 2 VERY OBVIOUS REASONS ..... at least to me there obvious ...
1. he has MORE VALUE than the 22 slot because of what we gave up to get him ... no matter how the LOGIC IMPAIRED folks like GM wanna view it .. when u GIVE UP either the 3rd pick int he 2nd rnd or your 1st pick the following year to MOVE UP and draft someone there is an INHERIENT VALUE in that ... weather the dolts wanna see it or admit it ... (and BTW .. GM is more mad at the system and how it works than the players that have to go through it) ... to believe otherwise is FOOLISH ...
2, he plays QB ..... look at the history of the QB's taken in rnd 1 .... i have no clue but would be STUNNED if they dont always get more than the other position players in their slots the year before (they get a bigger raise than is standard) and the year after ... and i bet they almost always get more than the guys drafted just in front of them that arent QB's ..... I could be wrong on this .. but doubt it ,....
and this is just not me sticking up for my boy as tabber will lead U to believe ... i have said this from Day 1 about EVERY HOLDOUT IN THE NFL for the last decade or so ... ITS BUSINESS ... weather the folks leading with their hearts admit it or not ...
these guys are signing at MINIMUM a 5 year contract .. thats along time to lock in your earnings ... u best TAKE YOUR TIME AND DO THE BEST U CAN .... anything else is just PLAIN IGNORANT ..... AND i have NO PROBLEMS with the TEAMS taking their time and getting the best deals for the team as possible ....
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OK .. you asked me to so i will ... YOUR CLUELESS ... .... the fact u are trying to compare an NFL QB to the Avg. American and how unerpaid they are PROVES IT .... you've either fallen on your head or are just JEALOUS of what all atheletes make ... and thats OK .. but u should at least admit it instead of talk like a CLUELESS WONDER ..... and Psst .. the Vets get what they deserve ... after all its their UNION that NEGOTIATES the LABOR CONTRACT they work under ... they have no one to blame how this has evolved EXCEPT THE PERSON IN THE MIRROR .... nice try though .. *LOL* ..
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Don't care about his contract. it'll get done. I'm more worried about his mental toughness, and whether he can handle adversity. He's smart, confident... doesn't mean he's not fragile when the going gets rough, though. I'm also more worried about whether he's just another 1st-round QB bust. Just cuz you and BRADY says he won't be, well, we'll need a bit more evidence. 
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these guys are signing at MINIMUM a 5 year contract .. thats along time to lock in your earnings ... u best TAKE YOUR TIME AND DO THE BEST U CAN .... anything else is just PLAIN IGNORANT ..... AND i have NO PROBLEMS with the TEAMS taking their time and getting the best deals for the team as possible ....
I think your Caps Lock button is on the fritz......
5 years is a decent amount of time. Many contracts unrelated to sports go the same way. Sure you take what you can get, but within reason. I don't know what's on the table. All I know is from what we read, the deal is basically done, just the guaranteed money needs to be agreed upon. And Quinn was picked #22. Face it, that's where he landed. Not #3, not #11, not #21. But #22.
Quinn says he wants a "fair" deal. Getting money in line with the #22 pick is fair, wouldn't you say? I'm pretty much banking that the Browns have put out something on par or probably better than what the #22 pick would be in line to get.
So, to be fair, as he says, would be to take the offer that is probably sitting there for him.
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Quinn says he wants a "fair" deal. Getting money in line with the #22 pick is fair, wouldn't you say?
To answer your question NO I don't think that is fair. The fact that we gave up so much to get him and the fact that he is a franchise QB that handles the ball on almost every offensive play makes him more valuable to our team than the steal we made at #22. It's not that hard to comprehend.
You go Brady, get it while you can and then come home and show em how it's done!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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$15 mil, $7 mil guaranteed. Offer him that, and get him into camp.
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$15 mil, $7 mil guaranteed. Offer him that, and get him into camp.
Just my opinion but I think $15 mil. $8.5 mil. guaranteed with incentives of up to $30mil. for 6 years would be fair.
If he is as confident in his abilities as he seems to be the incentives would be a very reachable goal and if he reaches those incentives, we get a hell of a deal also!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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he didnt look like all world in ota`s yet he is gonna say he is just trying to catch up when he gets back. Good excuses comming up next
Go Browns. I just want to win
I`m good with Baker... Playoffs is good enough for me.
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OK .. you asked me to so i will ... YOUR CLUELESS
Way to not disappoint me bud 
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the fact u are trying to compare an NFL QB to the Avg. American and how unerpaid they are PROVES IT ....
Pssst pro players put their pants on one leg a time just like the rest of us. They are no better or no worse than the average guy. I don't care if they make 100K a year, or 100 million a year. What I do care about is when they are greedy, and do things that hurt their team, and not showing up for work hurts their team.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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hmmmm LOGIC IMPAIRED, dolts, FOOLISH, PLAIN IGNORANT. Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones
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at the rate Quinn is going... he wont even see any time in Preseason.. atleast not game 1..
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#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
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Jim Donovan is reporting that there is a good possibility he will be signed and in camp by tomorrow.... Just an FYI for all
#GMSTRONG
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You know what your frecking problem is Mac, you think I care what you think... and I don't.. I'll discuss anything I want to on this board unless the Refs and/or PPE tell me I can't...
If I want to speculate on what a guy wants, I'm gonna do it and I don't need you to tell me I can'l... Got it!
Daman...if you want to be part of the problem rather than the solution...fine.
If you want to "follow" and be one of those that listen the dumb yacking heads of the media (tv, radio, print, internet) and do your best to spread the idiotic opinions of those who are not even Browns fans...FINE.
YOU WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MAN'S BUSINESS, YOUR BUSINESS...FINE.
But I choose to support the Browns, not the front office, when it comes to players contracts.
When the front office people put the pads on and start busting their arses, then maybe I will feel differently about them.
But for now, I'm willing to just leave the negotiating process to those that do it for a living...Browns franchise is represented...so is Quinn...they will work it out and what ever Quinn gets...NOT MY BUSINESS..and IMO, not any Browns fans business either.
You want to make Quinn's contract, your business, fine...but I will treat Brady Quinn like I would any other person...and not stick my nose in someone else's business.
Lastly, I have not tried to make this personal in any way...you want to elevate our "debate" to that level, say the word...I can play that game too.
But for now, we disagree...you think Brady Quinn's contract numbers are "your" business....I believe Brady Quinn's contract numbers are "Brady Quinn's business" and I will defend the players right to enter the negotiation process.
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
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I can't even stand to read your posts about this subject Mac,,, For some god awful reason, you think it's perfectly acceptable behavior to tell someone what they should and should not discuss, what is or is not thier business.,,,,
You DON'T have the right to tell me what is or isn't my business,,,,, YOU DO NOT!
Secondly,, do you think I'm an complete idiot,,, OF COURSE I KNOW IT'S not my business,,, But what you, in all your wisdom are forgetting is that this is a messege or discussion board,,,, in such places we discuss these things,,, and we do so with the full and complete knowledge that we CANNOT effect change or influence the outcome of contract talks,.,,, But still, we discuss it,,
You haven't gotten that through you thick skull,,, so keep talking,,, all you are doing it making yourself look dumber by the moment!
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