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I don't think it's a good idea to place so much importance on the Combine and to ignore actual game reps.

Oddly enough the QB that looked least accurate to me on tape (Allen) I thought by far threw the ball the best at combine from both an arm strength, footwork and ball placement.

Allen looked confident in drop and just let the ball rip. Dude has a hose.
His ball placement was more consistent then the others and he didn't have any really wild misses that I saw.
It makes sense that he looked good though...the combine throwing sessions are based on 3-5-7 step drops and Allen comes from that type of offense.

But, again on tape Allen was the least accurate of this class.

This is probably going to sound wrong, but I think Allen looked the best because he is the most used to not thinking and just letting it rip. That's great in a pitch and catch situation. Less so when defenders are involved. He is talented enough to get away with it a lot of the time in college. I'm not so sure in the big leagues.

Agreed. Ability to throw the ball in a game situation means far more than throwing the ball at the combine

I'm not taking anything away from the kid. Whatever the reason; he had the best combine throwing session to my eye.

I wish all the combine QBs would just go out there and sling it.

Condon? Rosenhaus?

Mayfield signs with Capital Sports Advisors

Jack Mills, Tom Mills, and Kevin Robinson are the agent names provided in the article.

Darnold and Allen sign with CAA Sports

RJ Gonser, Jim Dent, and Jimmy Sexton are Darnold's agents. Names weren't specifically provided for Allen.

Rosen signs with Athletes First

Athletes First is also the agency that represents Kizer and Kessler. They each have different agents, though. Rosen's is Ryan Williams.

Gosh Dang it. I hope we're just blowing smoke with this Allen crap.

A PROJECT, an INNACURATE Project with a metal plate, screws and Staples in his throwing shoulder doesn't sound like Top 5 material to me.

Sounds more like a MAJOR GAMBLE to me.

One we can't afford to gamble with.

I tend to agree, but his physical stuff scares me less then Roses brain issues. Bones can heal. Brians, not so much.

I was watching some of Allens tape. In at least the stuff I saw, a lot of good balls were dropped. I am not saying those would have taken him to 60%.


It's pretty easy for GM's to fall in love with a guy who can flick it 65-70 yards without much effort.

His arm alone puts him up with the all time great arms.

I understand it isn't just about arm. That's why i have reservations myself.

I’ll wait and see what Dorsey does, willing to trust what he does more then my own opinion, he’s paid to do this, even if I don’t agree or like the pick. I’ll wait to see how the kid plays whoever it is.

Not a big Prisco fan, but i like what was said about the Whiteboard stuff in regard to Allen as that was my biggest concern with him. The arm talent and athleticism is undeniable and having watched a number of his games, I think the inaccuracy issue is overblown with him as well.



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He didn't have the same quality of receiver his Senior year .

U like him enough to take him at 1 ... or u hoping he falls to 4? ..

If he's the guy - have to take him at 1. Can't risk some team jumping us at 4 to get him.

If he's the guy, you're gambling waiting until 4. You don't just have the Giants to worry about, you also have any team with a need at QB who's willing to trade up. I'd love to think we could take Saquon at 1 and still get our QB at four, but can we really take the chance he'll be there? (Whoever it may be.)

Love to take him at #4 , but not willing to chance it !

The kid didn't get the same kind of Coaching playing for Wyoming that some of the other elites did. As you know I have been on the kid for two years now . One of the take a ways form the Senior bowl and combine are going to be his coach ability's.. There is a resone why he is getting a lot of chatter now .He to will leave it all on the field ( lie Mayfield ) I have told folks to go back and watch him in the third quarter in the Senior bowl ..

Ty sir .. sounds like you’d like him at 1 ...

Man ... this sure is interesting ... many many options ... just hope we pick the right one ... as does everyone ....

So u attribute his improvement from the end of the year to the senior bowl to coaching ... then again the appearant jump he took at the combine ... u attribute that to coaching also? ...

ONE quarter of football means SQUAT.

You keep harping on this 3rd quarter of the Senior Bowl. I watched it too. Multiple times. And what exactly was I supposed to come away with watching ONE QUARTER of football?

I'm not trying to be mean. But I see a QB from Wyoming, who hasn't played ANYTHING CLOSE to anything even close to what a Rosen or Darnold has played concerning competition. Yeah I know all about Wentz.

I see a QB who is CONSISTENT in INNACURATE throws.

I see a QB that has a STEEL PLATE, SCREWS and STAPLES in his throwing shoulder. Does that not concern you at all?

There is absolutely no way Allen should be drafted in the first round. Any team that does so deserves to be fired IMHO.

Would you take The Red Nosed Reindeer at 4?

No.

By the way, Allen played 4 games against top 50 defenses in college ball. Rosen played 1.5 games and Darnold played 5 games.

I would say the same about Mason Rudolph.

I would but I would prefer to trade back since I feel most people underestimate him and it's always a good thing to pick up extra draft picks when you can.

As I said previously though I find it very suspicious that there is so little chatter about him except from the Steelers who are all over him. It's like teams are deliberately trying to keep him from rising so they can have him fall into a range they can draft him while they overhype other QB's to pressure the bad teams at the top of the draft to bite on lesser QB's.

Ha - you keep telling yourself that.

Maybe there is no chatter because he is not worth chattering about.

YOU'RE FIRED.

Lol. Just messing.

You didn't see that coming? Lol.

Well considering how much teams mess up on drafting a QB I'm not worried about them agreeing or disagreeing with me since my track record is generally better over the past decade

Kwhip .. I have tried to explain why the chatter on Allen .. I given you some reasons on his improvement since his last regular season game . Now if your not having any of it fine .. But I believe what I believe .. I have stated that there are several very good choices in this Draft .. If you just prefer that I not post because I might see it Your way , just say so ..lol

I thought Riley Ferguson was your guy all year? I don't remember you talking about Allen until recently. Is that wrong?

Yep .. I have been advocating Ferguson as a late rounder in a two QB draft , which I Have been advocating also . Have made several posts on the subject .I think the kid would be a developmental steal .

Ferguson and White are appealing to me as 2nd QB guys. White would probably cost us a 3rd so that might be too much if we go QB round 1

With all the concerns regarding Allen, it seems to boil down to two main concerns.

1) Accuracy ( Which apparently you can't coach ) - Although Allen looked pretty accurate at the senior bowl and at the combine.

and...

2) His ability to read a pro defense.

Whichever QB goes 1,2,3 or 4 this year COULD be determined by Allen's score on the wonderlic.

I would add 3) Ability to throw a short pass with touch

Yea, he seems to have gained some traction. I don't know that I would want to draft a 2nd QB before round 4. Lets pick up 3-3 other guys to help win before we draft a project QB.

I like Ferguson and Faulk as potential 2nd QB prospects.

A couple of things.

--You can improve accuracy to a degree. Fixing a guys lower body will improve his accuracy. However, there are just some guys who are inaccurate.

--Throwing against air w/no rush is not a good test for accuracy.

--The Wonderlic test has no correlation to being able to read post-snap coverages.

He does it all the time. He's as good as any QB in the draft with velocity and touch. It's a false narrative based on a few balls that maybe were thrown with too much velocity. All of these guys are human, none of them throw perfect passes every time.