DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft The case for Saquon Barkley

Exactly. There are 4 guys who will go in the top 15. This is a VERY good QB draft, and if these guys can't identify the one they want then fire everyone of them.

I'm sick of the excuses, and quite frankly this year there isn't one.....get a frigging QB!!!! I like Rosen, but apparently Dorsey may not. I'm not that high on Darnold or Allen, but Dorsey favors them apparently. Great draft Darnold or Allen, but get a QB to build around.

Develop a plan for the guy you want to be the guy moving forward, and make every decision predicated on that. guy being successful. There simply is no excuse in not getting our guy this year.

If that happens we should have kept Sashi...lol. Literally there is no excuse that Browns fans should accept from this team regarding the QB position this year.

Strong QB draft......check
Pick to acquire any QB you want....check

There is no justifiable excuse. I don't claim to be as smart as these people evaluating prospects (nor have the information they do), but I am smart enough to know a stupid plan. If they do anything other than draft a QB at 1 they are stupid. I guarantee you at least one of these QBs develops into a franchise guy. These guys are being paid huge money to identify that guy and draft him.....no more excuses.

Exactly. There are 4 guys who will go in the top 15. This is a VERY good QB draft, and if these guys can't identify the one they want then fire everyone of them.

I'm sick of the excuses, and quite frankly this year there isn't one.....get a frigging QB!!!! I like Rosen, but apparently Dorsey may not. I'm not that high on Darnold or Allen, but Dorsey favors them apparently. Great draft Darnold or Allen, but get a QB to build around.

Develop a plan for the guy you want to be the guy moving forward, and make every decision predicated on that. guy being successful. There simply is no excuse in not getting our guy this year.

They don't have excuses to not win, I don't care if they don't pick a QB at this stage, lots of good ones in FA...

Don't care who they pick, we have to win at least 1 game in the first 4 and at least 6-7 in the season.

anyone know what happened the last time we took a RB 1 overall?

Well I think its pretty simple.
Our priority of this draft is QB.

Bringing in a player like SB along with Kizers ability to run for TD's seems exciting..I would like to see the team start building around an already okay QB. Having Haley to help..Things may change for Kizer.

He died from Leukemia.

However, we only have two teams that can possible derail our franchise QB at #4.

With that said, at this particular time neither team really have a " heavy need" to draft a QB @ #2 or 3.

Could there be trade ups- absolutely, but Indy really could use a DE ( Chubbs) and if we don't take SB, most likely Giants will.

So at 4, we have a high probability to snatch our #1 or 2 QB selections.

Now, if the team feels there can't miss guy is there, no question, take him at #1 and don't look back.

The only evidence we have of DeShone Kizer says he is not an "okay" QB. He was terrible. Like worst in the league terrible.

When you have the first overall pick and there are QBs that are worthy of that pick available and you don't have a QB, you have to take the QB. Have to. This is doubly true if the next best option is a running back.

The best QBs are found at the top of the draft. You might say, "We also have the fourth pick!" And I would say, "Yes, but that means three other teams can then potentially select the QB that you want."

Pick the QB that you want. Develop him. Build around him.

Back to Saquon Barkley (who I think is a very good player who will be very successful). I love Barkley. I think he is the best running back to enter the NFL in a long time. He can do things that many others cannot do. I specifically love his ability to catch the ball and be a big part of the passing game. Running backs are often a huge mismatch in the passing game nowadays (for various reasons).

With all that said, running backs have a short shelf life (I am not sure I would ever extend a running back past his rookie contract) and they're easily found in the draft. Just last season there were several good running backs selected later in the draft (Kareem Hunt, Alvin Kamara, Tarik Cohen, Dalvin Cook, and some others).

On top of that running backs can be subbed in and out of the game based on their strengths and weaknesses. For example, if we want the threat of a runner and a passer we can have Duke Johnson in the game. If we want a back in the game that can excel in short yardage situations we can have [insert running back's name here] in the game. You might say, "But we can save a roster spot if we have a running back that do everything!" I would say that every team has three running backs active every game no matter what.

Furthermore, one of the benefits of drafting a player high in the draft is that you get that player cheap relative to the rest of the league. For example, we got Myles Garrett for around $7 million last season. A good, in his prime, edge rusher on a non-rookie contract would cost over $15 million. With running backs that is no longer an advantage. Leonard Fournette, who was drafted fourth overall, is the fourth highest paid running back in the league.

In conclusion, I love Saquon Barkley and think he will be very good. Running backs die young and their replacements are not hard to find. Also, more than one running back can be used to great success on a team. And there is no great financial advantage to drafting a running back early in the draft.

Now that I have convinced you all that we should not draft Saquon Barkley, we can close the thread.

You didn't convince anyone of anything because your not thinking logically. There is only 2 teams who MIGHT draft a QB or let someone trade up to grab one. I don't think the Colts will trade back and will instead take Chubbs. That means we only have one QB at most gone at #4.

Secondly there is no guarantee that if you draft a QB that he will stay beyond his first contract. Just look at the cousins situation. If your a good enough QB and you want to roll the dice then they can freely use the franchise tag to force teams to let them go. Do you think a QB like rosen will let himself be forced to play in Cleveland if he doesn't want to. He could get drafted and do an Eli Manning number on us.

This idea that there is ONLY 1 good QB in this draft is nuts. Take your pick and that QB drafted along side Saquan is a much better improvement then just drafting a QB alone. You cry about Fournette getting paid but he more than earns it. Just wait till Bell gets paid and btw so much for them not sticking around for a while. If they are great players it will always cost to keep them.

Having Saquan is worth having Darnold or whatever other QB the Browns like instead of Rosen. 2 great weapons is always better than one. It's just simple logic.

There is only 2 teams who MIGHT draft a QB or let someone trade up to grab one. I don't think the Colts will trade back and will instead take Chubbs. That means we only have one QB at most gone at #4.

Secondly there is no guarantee that if you draft a QB that he will stay beyond his first contract. Just look at the cousins situation.

If your a good enough QB and you want to roll the dice then they can freely use the franchise tag to force teams to let them go.

Do you think a QB like rosen will let himself be forced to play in Cleveland if he doesn't want to. He could get drafted and do an Eli Manning number on us.

This idea that there is ONLY 1 good QB in this draft is nuts.

Take your pick and that QB drafted along side Saquan is a much better improvement then just drafting a QB alone.

You cry about Fournette getting paid but he more than earns it.

Furthermore, one of the benefits of drafting a player high in the draft is that you get that player cheap relative to the rest of the league. For example, we got Myles Garrett for around $7 million last season. A good, in his prime, edge rusher on a non-rookie contract would cost over $15 million. With running backs that is no longer an advantage. Leonard Fournette, who was drafted fourth overall, is the fourth highest paid running back in the league.

Just wait till Bell gets paid and btw so much for them not sticking around for a while. If they are great players it will always cost to keep them.

Having Saquan is worth having Darnold or whatever other QB the Browns like instead of Rosen. 2 great weapons is always better than one. It's just simple logic.

Read many of the posts in this thread and I haven't seen one person mention that we have a ton of picks a ton of young talent already on the team and need some pieces to fill out the roster.

Our position of greatest need is QB, never ever lose sight of that. IMO this team is an elite QB away from being special, never lose sight of that either. How can anyone even contemplate taking a RB over a QB? SMH

That said I see people are fixated or not on getting Brakley, and I have to tell you no way do I ever draft a RB in the top ten. Great RB's come from nearly every round of the draft, and they simply just don't last that long.

I said this earlier and I will repeat its far more important to come away with the best QB then it is to come away with the best RB, for a hoist of reasons but mostly because regardless of how good they are its short lived, and QB's have 20 year careers and impact the game more so then any other player so you never settle for 2nds when picking a QB, RB's you do so that argument is mute with me and with most NFL executives as well.

But I digress if the Browns are so hooked on Barkley why can't they move up from 4 ? Nobody has even mentioned that possibility and we have all kinds of ammo and really don't need all the picks we do have roster spots are going to be hard to come by lets just say that. I would NEVER ever do it make no mistake not for a RB I wouldn't. An edge rusher would be my target after a QB, Chubb or even a corner (Fitz) but not a RB just say no.

IMO its a mute point I don't care if Barkley is a once and a life time RB I just do not take that bait. The Browns will draft their future franchise QB at #1 and sit and wait to see who falls to them at #4 and may even trade out of that spot as unlikely as I think that will be. If Barkley is still on the board they may bite but if Chubb is there I take Chubb, QB, Edge rusher, LT those are your elite positions and I stay true to that draft strategy.

Has anyone mentioned this possibility ( and would it be wise)?

Draft the QB, then trade up from #4 to #2?

I agree that having two great weapons is better than one. In my opinion it is not better than having someone else choose your QB for you.

Now that I have finally convinced you (and everyone else) that we should not draft Saquon Barkley first overall we can stop discussing this nonsense.

No offense, but I don't think your thinking is logical. Your simply stating your opinion. That's fine, but it doesn't make you the logical one. In fact, I bet the Browns have one guy ranked above the rest. In my opinion, this notion of 3-5 all being equal is illogical.