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It's all good, bro. We have different opinions, but neither of us are being illogical. I just get my dander up when someone says I am illogical.
I'm past it. We're good.
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Cool man and I don't mean to offend anyone either. I just truly believe Saquan is going to be very special and I have not felt that way since JG.
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hehe...actually made a thread on this. Point blank we get the best QB at #1 its really the only thing that makes sense. QB is our priority.
And guess what. As all our misfortunes of the past have turned around we get our choice of one of several Amazing players at #4 of which Barkley could be one of them.
Also mentioned its a long time from now till the draft. We will acquire several FA players, AJ probably one of them. Which should not change a thing about our priority in this draf. QB at #1 is turning out to be a no brainer.
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If the Browns have either Rosen or Darnold as their top QB, then the Browns MUST take that QB at #1 and just see if Barkley falls to 4.
If the Browns have Mayfield as their top QB, the same could be said, but I'd be willing to bet that Mayfield would be there at 4 if Barkley was taken at 1.
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You would bet...ok but do you think our guys decide without a doubt Mayfield is THEIR GUY... they would bet on it. Trust me, whoever they think is the guy 100%, they will not take the chance, they will take him #1. QB is the priority make no mistake about it. #1 will be a QB.
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I hope logical thinking prevails and we don’t lose out on Fitz ... 
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I get what your saying I just think the drop off at HB is huge and the drop off at QB is not so big. Although I would never put Allen on that list =) Thats not the whole equation ... your leaving Fitz out ... So u may be using logic ... but your math is flawed ... *L* ...
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I get what your saying I just think the drop off at HB is huge and the drop off at QB is not so big. Although I would never put Allen on that list =) Thats not the whole equation ... your leaving Fitz out ... So u may be using logic ... but your math is flawed ... *L* ... I think that until its established that Fitz can play outside CB, talking about Fitz in the Top 5 is a media hype thing, because its hard to imagine taking a slot CB in the top 5. He is a great college player, but there are many issues on how will he translate to the NFL.. What is interesting is that when it comes with QB's there are all this drawbacks regarding systems, not playing under center and all, yet in the case of Fitz in his whole career he took 13 reps has a outside CB and a small number, if any, reps has a FS, yet many don't have problems drafting him top 5... Its like talking about taking Lamar in the top of the draft to play WR... well not really the same, but there are some similarities.
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... Fitz in the Top 5 is a media hype thing, because its hard to imagine taking a slot CB in the top 5.
I'd be drafting him as a FS. I'm concerned about his only 33" vertical at the Combine and believe he will fall a bit in the draft. I'd take him if we traded down a few spots...
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If the Browns have either Rosen or Darnold as their top QB, then the Browns MUST take that QB at #1 and just see if Barkley falls to 4.
If the Browns have Mayfield as their top QB, the same could be said, but I'd be willing to bet that Mayfield would be there at 4 if Barkley was taken at 1. The fallacy here is that Rosen and Darnold will both be drafted in the top 3. I have a hunch that one or the other or both will fall outside the top 3... It's also possible the only quarterback drafted in the top 3 is the one we take at 1. In conclusion, draft the QB you covet at 1.
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Outside of Barkley I love KJ.
He played against top level competition. His ypc is outstanding.
In addition he shows exceptional balance and vision.
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No one would EVER take a slot CB in the top 5 ... If u think Fitz is a slot corner ... thats your opinion and your entitled to it ... if thats what you think theres no reason for me to reply to anymore because we simply don’t agree ... IMO Fitz brings a lot more to the table than a slot corner based off FOOTBALL INTELLIGENCE ALONE ... he’s like a coach on the field with some mad atheletic skills ... Once i heard what Saban thinks of him and the fact he’s possibly the only player Saban has ever praised and is definetly the first player he ever let watch tape with him and the other coaches .... I’M ALL IN ON THAT ...
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Is kJ the dude from Auburn? .. if not .. who is KJ? ... sorry i’m not up on the initials .. *L* ...
I asked somewhere else u may not have seen it ...
Taking Quan and all other variables out of the mix ...
Who is the best RB to take to pair with Duke in your opinion? ...
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It's all about trading up for Guice. He's Hue tested. Do you know how many times LSU ran him into a 8+ person box? A hue amount of times and he would almost always get positive yards. The kid will be a beast. If you don't pick him up in FF next year you're not trying to win your league.
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It's all about trading up for Guice. He's Hue tested. Do you know how many times LSU ran him into a 8+ person box? A hue amount of times and he would almost always get positive yards. The kid will be a beast. If you don't pick him up in FF next year you're not trying to win your league. A lot of mocks don't even have a RB going in the first round outside Barkley. I'm beginning to even get MORE excited about the thought of QB, Minkah and a trade back to get Guice. Initially I didn't think he would drop much. Shouldn't take a lot either to get back into the first. Not saying mocks are legit but what few I seen with him going in the first, they pinged Pitt as the team. Should be easy to jump them, especially with the second round and etc ammo we have for picks. Love Barkley but that's like, a dream scenario draft for me and instantly we would have nailed it for the first round.
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I LOVE him ... never saw him til the Georgia game ... LOVED HIM ... went and watched his film ... EVEN MORE IMPRESSED ...
Him and Michel are 2 and 3 for me with Guice just behind them ...
What about my other question ...
Who is the best fit to pair with Duke ... no Quan and no other variables ... not who u like ...
Just WHO COMPLIMEANTS DUKE the best ...
I’m just curious ... obviously i wouldn’t want us to raft like that ...
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As much as I kind of like the idea of taking Saquon at #1 and taking the best of who's left over at QB for #4, since I feel like there are 3 QBs that are basically equal, and we could roll with any of them ...
... It's the fact that Michel, Guice, Johnson, Jones and Chubb could all be available by our second pick, and will probably be close to as productive as Barkley will. We may as well get the best QB and best DB and toss in one of the best RBs to go with them. Rather than the best RB, one of the best QBs, and who-knows-what in the 2nd round.
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Duke is a good back. He plays real hard. It will be interesting to see how he is used with Haley.
I don't get to hung up on the fast back, power back thing.
But I go back to the Jim Brown Bobby Mitchell era and together they were hard to top.
KJ fits the bill. He is just a good versatile back and Duke is a guy who is killer in space.
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Ty sir ... He should be there at the top of rnd 2 ... just sayin ...  ...
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who compliments Duke?
Barkley cause Duke should then become our slot WR cause Barkley has great hands and will be a 3 down back.
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As much as I kind of like the idea of taking Saquon at #1 and taking the best of who's left over at QB for #4, since I feel like there are 3 QBs that are basically equal, and we could roll with any of them ...
... It's the fact that Michel, Guice, Johnson, Jones and Chubb could all be available by our second pick, and will probably be close to as productive as Barkley will. We may as well get the best QB and best DB and toss in one of the best RBs to go with them. Rather than the best RB, one of the best QBs, and who-knows-what in the 2nd round. This is a very weak CB draft, but plenty of options for safeties and slot corners... Taking Fitz at 4 only makes sense if its to play outside CB... which there are questions if he can...
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By the way I got this from Duke himself as he welcomes and wishes to be utilized regularly as a slot WR. But Im the fool.
Oh n no Im off my meds as Im home n dont wjsh to take them.
Im not an idiot Diam. Dont agree with me fine but dont mock me especially when Im spot on. And no Im not angry n still love you Bro!
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U didn’t answer my question ... hence the .. I’d never call u an idiot ... EVER ... What part of taking QUAN OUT DIDN’T U UNDERSTAND ... Glad your home ... good luck with your recovery and hopefully the news stay positive ... With that said ... later ... MUCH LATER ...
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A lot of mocks don't even have a RB going in the first round outside Barkley.
Think about that one statement for a moment. For one I don't think it's true. Second, if it is true then think about why. Why would you let your running game be reduce to afterthoughts in the second round instead of having a monster running game where teams have to plan hard for. The way Duke and Saquan catch the ball so well you can put them in together and they have almost no way to be stopped when you have one go left and one go right with gordon and corey burning them deep while nojoku and seth either blocking or hitting mid field. At worst they plan man to man defense and all the QB has to do is find who gets left open because trying to single cover both Saquan, Duke and Gordon is fool's gold. We could literally become a top 5 offense overnight.
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Have you watched film on Guice? I think you'd like him. If picking a QB, getting the best FS available and being able to move back into the late first round and grab a legit and lethal RB without having to cough up too much to trade back into the first - IDK we become top five offense or defense, but... on paper, we get dramatically better and on BOTH sides of the ball n' better utilize our assets in getting key players.
We may disagree with how to proceed and what's best for us, but there's nothing wrong with that.
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I have move on from Barkley at 1 we need a QB and lets grab the best one at #1 if Barkley is there at 4 I would be ok with that ...
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A running back at #1 overall, absolutely asinine. My stance hasn't changed.
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I think there are better RBs than Guice. I wish some of you guys who talk about RBs would go to the Rating and Evaluating RB's thread and watch the videos and add your analysis.
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I think there are better RBs than Guice. I wish some of you guys who talk about RBs would go to the Rating and Evaluating RB's thread and watch the videos and add your analysis.
Lol, I wish some people wouldn't drown someone else's opinion on the grounds of their very own opinion... I've done the research and Guice is the 2nd best back, IMO.
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I wasn't getting on you. I was asking you to add to the RB thread.
Never mind.
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Everytime people mentioning Barkley at #1, I remember how excited I was when we drafted Trent Richardson...
The RB class this year is deep... no need to get crazy with all the hype...
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A running back at #1 overall, absolutely asinine. My stance hasn't changed. I'm happy with Joe Thomas, but I think I'd have been just as happy with Adrian Peterson. I'd be upset if we'd taken JaMarcus Russell because "QBs are more valuable." While certain positions are more valuable than others in general, I think a Hall of Fame RB is more valuable than a below average QB. It just comes down to the value of the actual individual players. Whomever Dorsey picks, he'd better be right.
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Whomever Dorsey picks, he'd better be right. Which is why he shouldn't allow other teams to pick his QB for him.
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