DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2018 NFL Season 2018 NFL Draft Overall #4 pick = AMAZING!

I have nothing against him as a human being. He seems to be ahigh character fellow. His footwork is easily fixed with 1-2 years of solid coaching on it. He has the arm to make all the throws and is decently accurate.

Man I could fall in love with him and Saquan and Duke in a custom made offense. 2 wr, 2 TE, 1 FB sayquan, 1 HB duke, and 5 oline. Man oh man that would be fun to watch where you have 6 guys on the field at all times that can catch 3 extra blockers(2 te and Saquan), and 3 guys that can flat out run the ball. I pity a defense that has to stop all that.

I wanna do this with Njoku and Duke set out wide or at the wings with Devalve being the inline TE. Putting the formation in shotgun allows Njoku and Duke to naturally have more space to operate. It would also give Saquon more 6-7 men boxes. Of course Devalve will have to work on his blocking a lot this offseason. But, he if he can he could be a real weapon. He reminds me of a Steve Heiden type of guy, someone who can block and is slippery smooth as a route runner. Those guys are a dying breed in the NFL and are much needed if teams want to run out of the shotgun imo.

Lol. If QB'S go 1-2-3, and I happen to think that is very likely, mercy Dorsey has a major decision to make.

Based on his most important POSITION ranks, RB and FS aren't in there. Chubb at DE is. He could also include Minkah-Fitzpatrick as a CB, which is in those ranks.

But Barkley is going to wind up being the #1 player on virtually EVERY TEAMS board.

Man, what a decision to make. This is a great problem to have.

The drop off from Fitz at FS is mammoth. Drop off from Chubb is mammoth. Drop off from Barkley is arguably not so mammoth.

I'm sure that discussion will happen if all 3 are there at 4.

If we sign a Top tier FS and a CB in FA, it's being said that we are pretty high on Oliver CB Colorado. That could eliminate the need for Fitz?

That could easily make a STRONG case for Barkley, the #1 player on our board.

What a position to be in. Thank you, Watson.

I think I'm going BPA on MY teams Board.

Barkley.

Sorry, in another thread you were wanting Barkley 1st and Mayfield 4th.


But now, to go with your thread, Allen? at#1 and Fitz at 4 unless we get a super deal to trade out of 4 and only drop 2-3 slots.

I say Allen because it looks like Dorsey puts a premium on arm strength, but it could be 2-3 others. I am not sure who I want at this point, but probably lean towards Mayfield. I mean Rosen is best in the pocket and throws a great ball. Mayfield in a great leader with top desire and accuracy. Darnold seems to have the highest floor, he probably won't bust and Allen seems to have the highest ceiling. If he puts it all together, WOW.

My 1st choice would be to trade down. Either to #6 so the NYJ can leapfrog Denver to get their Qb or down to #5 allowing Denver to guarantee that they get their Qb. I trade down no further than #6.

My top choice would be Chubb
I want a defense that terrorizes opposing Qb's
Rotate a fresh Garrett, Ogbah and Chubb keeping them fresh
On passing downs put in all 3

I like Barkley
Our offense has been so inept for so long that the thought of an explosive offense is almost unfathomable
Having him would definitely make the games more fun to watch
But I really like Sony Michel and Kerryon Johnson as well

As for the Db's, I think this draft is really deep at Db
There are a good half dozen Cb's out there and that is off the top of my head
I also think the FS's in this draft are being underrated

Apart from SB, I still continue to like Edmunds the best, he can transform the identity of our D.

Everybody is talking about the new Db's, and yet we have an amazing possibility at ILB, that can dominate the middle of the field.

Just watch some footage of him,out of curiosity, he's impressive....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYILvuqiBcs

Speed, tacking ability, coverage potential.... He can define the new ILB player,IMHO...speed size and range..

He also has some bad ugly plays, but the fundamentals are there and he is just 19..

Fixed it for you.

I agree the odds are pretty high, but ARE leaves no room for anything else. I know enough about crystal balls to know they don't always work.

If you take a QB ( insert name ) at #1 and Barkley at four , I want to trade back into the first ( and high enough ) to get a James / Ward /, Edmunds ,ect for the defensive back field !

I too, believe the Browns will take a QB at #1. Which one is another debate.. What happens at #2 & #3? A run on QBs? Do the NYG take SB and IND take Chubb? Does NY take QB? Does IND trade out?

Barkley used the combine to put an "!" on his being the BPA. I wonder how much the value of RB plays into the decision. Dorsey is on record saying BPA, but he also famously values several positions above RB. Having the #4 pick is a luxury! We have addressed the biggest need at 1, now we can take the luxury pick if he's there. This is a change from what I have previously argued, but after the combine, if the choice is Barkley or Fitz, I'll take Barkley. The arguments for Fitz still hold, but SB IS the best player in the draft.

I don't think Chubb is really in consideration. This team has too many holes, and while adding a DE of his quality improves the team, it is low on the priority list of positions to fix.

What to do at #4?

Barkley
Fitzpatrick
Trade down (no lower that 6)
Chubb

eotab, if at 4 I have a choice of Chubb, fitz and barclay and I consider all three to be equally impactful in the nfl, I would build a “mini board” sort of like our big board. I would assess two things. how well does our choice fill an immediate and urgent need? we badly need a free safety and if Crowell is gone we badly need a running back. we have spent a first rd pick and a second rd pick the past two years on edge rushers so we might want another one but we do not need one.

Second column is at each position how big is the drop off from our guy to the second best player we might get at that position. I am not qualified to judge that but from what I have read the drop off at safety is dramatic while the dropoff at running back is much less so.

therefore my #4 pick is free safety fitz.

Yeah, I too don't think Chubb is in our mix. Much priority elsewhere, with what appears to be a good chance to shore it up with a rookie star. Say we do Barkley, say we do Minkah - you may want one or the other but are you going to be mad if they select the opposite of your likings? We have a chance to make an impact and more than one way/option to do so.

I'm not sure the Browns even know what they're intending to do yet... we are in a great position.

How will Fitz improve our D? ...

Did u only watch when we had the ball last year .... ...

Couldn’t resist tabber ... it was way too easy ....

Could depend on what the Eagles want to trade Nick Foles... if the 1st or the 4th...

If we can reach a long term understanding with Nick Foles, I can see us trading the 4th for him.... or even the 1st...

So,IMHO, the only player that can justify being taken #1, a part from the QB, is Saquan.

This draft is strong in low 5 picks, top 5 not that much....Honestly we only have 3 top 5 worthy picks...

What?

Not arguing with that notion, about the Giants looking at QBs, but wouldn’t that depend on how they feel about Webb? He was a third rounder and has some ability. Thought he had very good arm talent.

I was hoping that we would take Webb last year. I think that he can be a starter in the NFL.

Barkley at 1, Lamar at 4.

If we stand pat at #4 please give me the best DB on the board (as long as they evaluate well, don’t force it like a Gilbert or Claiborne obviously)

However, there’s a lot of wacky scenarios that could arise.

Let’s say...
-Cousins goes to Minnesota
-We take a QB at 1 so we don’t need one at 4
-Giants fall in love with Barkley and snag him at 2
-Colts by some miracle don’t trade down and stick to Chubb plan.

That puts us in a WONDERFUL position of already taking “OUR GUY” with TWO QB hungry teams directly behind us.

I don’t think it would be unreasonable to get the Jets next years 1st or this years 2nd to go down 2 spots to let them leapfrog the Broncos and get their QB.

Then we still probably get Fitz, Ward, James or whoever we grade best.

Normally I’d say “just pick a playmaker” but this draft is so unique and stacked with luck for the Browns (finally) that I’m salivating over this or similar scenarios

U seem to have problems staying within the PARAMETERS OF A QUESTION when answering a question ...... yet here u are busting on someone cause they couldn’t stay within the parameters of YOUR THREAD ... ..

Later bro .. MUCH LATER ....

Thought he’d be our pick after Jackson got to see him at the senior bowl where he played and looked pretty good. I had him slotted ahead of Kizer.

Dude. Go back to bed. Just STOP already. OMG

Why?

I don't see Jackson going before the middle of the 1st round, if there.

I think that Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and Mayfield will all go before Jackson does.

Don't let 'em get to you, swish! Keep fighting the good fight, man!

How is that different from any QB not named Rosen?

Barclay will be a Giant and Chubb probably a Colt. I'm pretty firmly believing that neither is realistic for us at 4. Chubb and Fitz, Chubb and one of the three top QBs, Barclay and one of the top three... yes.

If they're all available and we have to pick a player... Elliot and Fournette were taken at 4... let's continue the streak