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Some Stockton students become violent during anti-gun protest

STOCKTON, Calif. (KCRA) —

At least five students were arrested Friday as hundreds of others from several Stockton high schools walked out of classes in protest of gun violence after last week's deadly shooting at a Florida high school.

Students at Stagg, Edison, Chavez, Lincoln and Village Oak high schools were walking along streets, creating traffic problems in the area as streets were blocked off.

Stockton police said some students threw rocks and damaged both police and citizen vehicles.

Five arrests were made, including charges of battery on an officer, resisting arrest, taking an officer's baton and vandalizing vehicles, including patrol vehicles, Stockton police said.

Those arrested ranged from 14-years-old to 18-years-old. The 18-year-old was booked into the San Joaquin County Jail and the juveniles were cited to their parents, according to Stockton Police.

During one incident, an officer approached a group of students attempting to leave a school by jumping a fence. When the officer approached the students, police said they fought with the officer and took his baton.

The officer was patrolling an area of the high school while it was placed on lockdown. A person who saw the incident take place came to the officer’s aid until more officers arrived, police said.

“We do support the freedom to protest peacefully and freedom of speech,” said Stockton Police Department’s Public Information Officer Joe Silva. “While the majority of the students were peaceful today, we don’t condone the violence which was committed by a small handful of students. It’s unacceptable to batter a police officer and especially to take an officer’s baton.”

Officials with the Stockton Unified School District released the following statement after the protest:

"Stockton Unified is proud of the peaceful, well organized protests carried out by students on its high school campuses this week. We regret that on Friday some students from one of the high schools left a peaceful protest, walked off campus and created a disruption in the neighborhood. Such activity is not reflective of the values of the overwhelming majority of SUSD students and will not be tolerated."

Video at link

Thanks. Good link.

Now I have to add, I don't think smearing the whole movement over a couple of bad apples is right. Of course it is the right doing the smear, but it's still not right.

Students cause outrage at gun control walkout: Massive brawl breaks out as teenagers tear down an American flag at a high school while counter protesters display a Confederate banner

A massive brawl broke out inside Antioch High School as videos show students tearing down an American flag
They were supposed to be having a moment of silence for 17 minutes
Students at Centennial High School in Franklin, Tennessee, took to the streets with Confederate flags to counter protest

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5503011/TN-students-against-mold-National-Walkout-Day.html

You didn't hear, your not allowed to protest a protest a protest.

That's what gun owners and the NRA been saying all along.

More than 33,000 people die in firearm-related deaths in the United States every year.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

If that number of gun DEATHS is what you are comparing to a handful of kids acting out and misbehaving during a national protest trying to save lives... you are being ridiculous.

Motor Vehicle Deaths Topped 40,000 Again in 2017

http://www.thedrive.com/news/18538/motor-vehicle-deaths-topped-40000-again-in-2017

For a second year in a row, car accidents killed more than 40,000 Americans.

Texting and Driving Accident Statistics

https://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accident/cause-of-accident/cell-phone/cell-phone-statistics.html

The numbers illustrating the dangers of cell phone use while driving are downright startling. In fact, at any given time throughout the day, approximately 660,000 drivers are attempting to use their phones while behind the wheel of an automobile.

Smartphones have made it easy for us to stay connected at all times. But that can pose serious safety risks if someone decides to check his or her text messages, emails, phone calls, or any other mobile applications while driving.

Cell phone distraction rates are alarmingly high. We hope with a little information, you'll make the right decision when you're on the road.
General Cell Phone Statistics

Note: These are the most recent statistics available

The National Safety Council reports that cell phone use while driving leads to 1.6 million crashes each year.
Nearly 330,000 injuries occur each year from accidents caused by texting while driving.
1 out of every 4 car accidents in the United States is caused by texting and driving.
Texting while driving is 6x more likely to cause an accident than driving drunk.
Answering a text takes away your attention for about five seconds. Traveling at 55 mph, that's enough time to travel the length of a football field.
Texting while driving causes a 400% increase in time spent with eyes off the road.
Of all cell phone related tasks, texting is by far the most dangerous activity.
94% of drivers support a ban on texting while driving.
74% of drivers support a ban on hand-held cell phone use.

Teen Driver Cell Phone Statistics

11 teens die every day as a result of texting while driving.

According to a AAA poll, 94% of teen drivers acknowledge the dangers of texting and driving, but 35% admitted to doing it anyway.


21% of teen drivers involved in fatal accidents were distracted by their cell phones.
Teen drivers are 4x more likely than adults to get into car crashes or near-crashes when talking or texting on a cell phone.
A teen driver with only one additional passenger doubles the risk of getting into a fatal car accident. With two or more passengers, they are 5x as likely.

What's disgusting is that you keep repeating this talking point as if it's true. It is an extremely LOW number that would actually want to deny you the right to own or carry a weapon to defend yourself...

So while reasonable folks want to have conversations about increased background checks, mental health screenings, restrictions on magazine size and other stuff which might just make it harder for the wrong people to obtain weapons that do the maximum amount of damage.... you just keep banging your head against wall, keep pretending that anybody cares if you own some handguns and hunting rifles, and by God, keep screaming "THEY ARE COMING FOR MY GUNS!!!!!!"

You could BAN every gun in the USA for the next 100 years and that won't keep the wrong people from obtaining weapons that do the maximum amount of damage if they want them.

A few regulations to guns will not ban them.

You’re a lapdog to NRA propaganda.

So will criminals follow "A few regulations to guns" or will they just get them illegally?

Really, you think they dont care about these issues? Are you really that naive? Do you have teens? I have two, though ones a freshman in college nw he is still current on teen issues.

But yes these are all also issues they care and are concerned about. But heres what my 17 year old daughter has said to me. Those other issues are things that they can choose to avoid by their actions. They can choose not to do drugs, or commit suicide, or bully or whatever . But they are not given a choice if someone brings a gun into their school and decides to shoot them.

from your link...


Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of firearm deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

Of the 175,703 firearm deaths in the US from 2012 to 2016 (the most recent five years of data available), 108,183 (or 62 percent) were suicides. To calculate this total, Everytown relies on CDC data regarding fatal injury by intent.4

https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

So.

Background checks are a central component of America's efforts to keep guns from criminals: since their inception, they have blocked over 3 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers.

According to a study by the Department of Justice, between 1994 and 2014, federal, state, and local agencies conducted background checks on more than 180 million firearm applications and denied 2.82 million gun sales to prohibited purchasers. To date, the background check system has blocked over 3 million firearm sales to prohibited purchasers.8

https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

how many of those deaths are suicide??? Hmmmm, kinda of a cherry picked stat wouldn't you say.

So.....just what the heck is a far right vibe ....some one that doesent agree with the insanity of the dems or you pffffft your just a hater anyway and irrelavant

I'm sure they can avoid some kid slipping up behind them to stab them easy as pie. There is a reason thousands of kids are being fatally stabbed in the thousands.

There are certainly no protest going on about the other issues at least none that the media are covering. But let them talk about guns and the media is up in arms to make sure it becomes a movement by making kids on social media gain as much attention as possible for protesting guns.

Great question. i see no one has answered either.

You continue to fool yourself.
Let me ask you, all these people trying to pass laws against assault weapons, is that not taking our guns away?

What is an assault weapon anyway?
I will tell you. It is any gun THEY SAY IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON!

So continue to drink the koolaid and remain ignorant to what is going on around you.

Go back to talking about fixing society while you refuse to protect our school children today, with armed security.

Now that is truly disgusting.

Or, we can all realize its time to stop worrying more about political points and come up with something that will work to save lives.

Is it me, or is weird that schools typically only have 1 or 2 guidance counselors on staff for what 1000 students....

How about a anonymous tip line for bullying. How about TEACHERS get held responsible for NOT enforcing anti bullying rules?

How about WE GIVE teachers the ability to punish children or determine if a child is a threat to others to have that child removed immediately to be evaluated?

How about armed guards and metal detectors?

How about we fortify our classrooms?

How about we LOCKDOWN schools to begin with? My High School - every door was locked except the front entrance, in which you had to get buzzed into by video phone (and this was 14 years ago mind you). I used to live in Florida - did you know that campuses have classrooms that you have to walk outside to get too? They have separate buildings and the kids walk outside unprotected from class to class. How about we realize that's a bad idea.

I have seen conservatives come up with ideas like these, yet the ONLY idea on the left I have heard or seen, is to ban a gun that can easily be replaced by another.

As someone who lives in a country with really strict gun control, and thus no gun issues; is this really something you're comfortable with?

Do you really feel good about teachers and security offers needing tactical combat experience and preparedness simply so kids can learn in school?

That's just unimaginable here. We're clinging to our TV sets in absolute shock. This came up this week...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/...peful-says.html

Arm the homeless with shotguns. Arm the teachers with firearms.

Is that what you want for your country simply because you don't want someone, "taking (our) guns away?"

I want our kids to be just as safe at school as they are at the airport or the courthouse.

It should not be up for discussion to protect the kids. Action is needed now.

Once done, then you can a philosophical discussion on how to fix our society.

By the way, arming the homeless with shotguns is about the most insane thing I have ever heard.

I have never heard of this guy before, and he will generate maybe about .05% of the vote, so I don't think its fair to take what he says to heart. Sounds like he is trying to just come up with something controversial to get attention.

Which country? Do you have knife issues, trucks running people over issues? physical beating with fist issues? Axe issues? What is a gun issue btw? Can you show me a gun stat that takes out suicides and self defense shootings?

I feel good about anything that is going to keep kids safe, yes. Even in your "gunless" country, I think children should be protected, why don't you? what is there to stop a terrorist from bombing a school or running a truck into a cafeteria? Its not just these shooters that we need to protect children against.

Sounds little overboard. Ill take my country and my freedoms over yours (whatever it maybe). I would bet the net immigration of the two countries backs my claim however.

I've actually advocated for armed guards at the entry way with metal detectors all along.

Arming teachers means that we wait for shots to be fired before anything actually happens. I don't believe waiting for bodies to start dropping before anything us done is the answer.

Having guards and metal detectors at entrances stops the guns from coming into the school to begin with. I much prefer being proactive than reactive.

And I think you need to look beyond the far left ideas to gauge what people do and don't support. There are extremists on both sides of the aisle. It's not limited strictly to liberals. Extremism is a two way street.

Extreme liberalism is not what most of this country wants or supports.

Interesting. It's just fascinating from afar. Every other major nation decided getting rid of guns was the best move - to great success. American, on the other hand, is the only country who thinks more guns is the answer.

I could never be comfortable with kids being taught history by Mr. Dhurmer, who is decked out in tactical assault gear while carrying a semi-automatic rifle under the cover of rooftop snipers.

It feels like the script of a dystopian film.

- FWIW, I'm not saying gun control is the answer for ya'll, it will never happen, it's just interesting from our perspective.

Im not particular a fan of arming teachers, but I am not against it. I believe if you have teachers that have military or police backgrounds, or have teachers complete MANDATORY training and ANNUAL training, they shouldn't be armed. But I don't see this happening, it was one of those things trump just throws out there to negotiate.

However, because we have stripped out schools of protection in the first place, we now HAVE to be reactive. Proactive would have been doing things to protect them before they became targets.

I don't think the FAR left has a single good idea on THIS subject. You see, you can agree with an EXTREMESIST on a certain singular matter, that doesn't make you an extremist. For instance, I agree with the FAR RIGHT on this issue. But I would probably be considered agreeing closer to the FAR LEFT with their ideas on the banking industry. I don't think you would call me a liberal anytime soon

Im saying you can agree with someone ONE THING and not be a supporter of that group or person.

I agree, that's why you have president trump. Not that Hillary was an extreme liberal, but she most certainly was far enough left for trump to win.

You are so lucky to live in a country where there is not a huge criminal element.

You have to realize that you live in a country that has all honest, loving people who would never harm you.

Your people are all very strong so the strong criminal does not rule over you with his strength alone.

Your government only has your best interests at heart so there will never be a need for you to overthrow a tyrant by throwing stones at his guns.

You are so lucky.
Here in America we don't have those things that you think you have.

The fact that you think this what people are calling for just shows how out of touch with reality and insane your thoughts on the matter are.

Mr. Dhurmer won't be decked out in tactical assault gear, carrying a semi auto rifle under rooftop snipers. Nice try though.

I'm still unsure of how I feel about arming teachers - those that WANT to be armed, mind you. (as it will never, nor should it be, mandatory). One of my biggest concerns about it is accidental discharge.

However, 1 thing I thought about yesterday. IF a school decides to allow a teacher or 12 or however many to be armed, just mandate that they can't carry with a round in the tube. (loaded, ready to fire).

IF a school allows arming teachers, or staff, mandate that the weapon they carry is a semi auto hand gun. A pistol, as opposed to a revolver. and mandate that the gun can be on their person, but the mag can't even be in the gun. Put it in your pocket.

Accidental discharge is thereby taken out of the equation. A kid taking your weapon (never should happen because students shouldn't know who has a gun) becomes moot.

And let's face it, teachers/staff aren't out on patrol or anything. IF there were a shooter in a school, the teacher would hear the shots and have ample time to insert the mag. Cause, you know, it takes 2-4 seconds.

Waiting for the cops to get there? 2-10 minutes, depending on a whole lot of issues.

Just tossing this out, that's all.

That's the chamber arch, not the tube.

I'm Australian.

We don't have any issues. Things are going really well. Our murder rate was actually at an all time low last year. Yours is 5x higher.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne...rson-per-100000

The national crime rate also fell, but the biggest drop was the state I live in (We only have 7 states haha) with a 4.9% drop in all crime and a 7% fall in victims of crime.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/vi...15767a9a92e7ca2

I do think kids should be protected. That's why we have police officers. We've not had terrorist attacks on schools, or school shooting in general. Not that I'm aware of. How many terrorist attacks on schools have you guys had compared to school shootings?

You're welcome to take your country. I wasn't suggesting you denounce American and move here hahaha.

Woah. Relax. The hyperbole was overt because America hasn't yet come to any conclusions. It was merely reference to more guns = more protection, taken to an obvious extreme. We're just talking. Don't get mad.

Just an FYI- They don't call them terrorist attacks because Muslims aren't the ones committing them. They call them a mental illness problem.

So you have a low murder rate, that is great!
Tell me though, how did those murdered people die? I suppose they were unable to stand up to a stronger criminal who beat them to death or the armed criminal while they had only a stone.
Here in America we say they died like sheep who convinced themselves they had no issue with the wolves around them.

You really have it great there in Australia, until of course you do not as someone decides to take it away from you.

Accidental misfire is certainly an issue, but I don't know enough about guns regarding the best ways to avoid it. Agreed the weapons probably shouldn't be loaded at all times.

My concern, for you guys, is firstly that a teacher doesn't snap and go postal.

Secondly, just isolated incidents. You need only jump on YouTube to see teachers losing their cool towards students and even having physical altercations. The last thing that situations needs is a loaded firearm.

Thirdly, what happens if a kid steals the gun. Trump proposed conceal carry, which somewhat implies firearm to never leave their possession, but it is only a matter of time before a mistake is made.

But the most important - it takes years of dedicated training to respond to an active shooter situation. Just to control your emotions and stay cognitive. In practice, I think there is a high chance we see some itchy trigger fingers, some teachers respond poorly under the pressure and maybe even friendly fire.

Seems a little over the top for a teacher to be armed, is all.

I wonder how the sexual assault rate has gone since then? I believe 2014 showed a 5 year high for you guys, huh?

You realize the gun death rate in your country was falling drastically BEFORE this law took, right?

So your saying ALL crimes have gone down over the last few years, not just gun crimes. So you think its GUNS that make people commit crimes? Or its just the fact that people commit crimes?

Good for you. We have them too, and next time ask a black male if he thinks cops should be the only ones with guns? Ask the jews in 35 Germany if not having guns helped them.

As far as the terrorist attacks go, how many refugees and illegal immigrants does your country take in? Do you guys vet the refuges before hand, or let them in unchecked?

It says so in the article. 238 total deaths that year - 86 from knives, 37 from hand-to-hand fighting, 32 from guns.

As for how they died; Firstly, we talk about murder victims with a little more respect than mocking the dead as weak livestock. That's disgusting.

Again, the article specifies that alcohol-fuelled altercations and domestic violence were over-represented in the murder rate. 79% of those killed between 2012-2014 were women who were killed by an intimate partner.