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You have to have a sense of loyalty to your customers if you want to succeed in business.

I just keep seeing one play over and over in my mind and it doesn't involve broken hands, torn hammies or a bad QB throw...

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highl...al-Steelers-win

Oh Dear God. PTSD. I got mocked about that.

ughh....why did i click.

Does anyone actually have the stats for Coleman for his first two years as it relates to drops?

I know he had two huge ones this past year but what do the stats say?

Kizer's best pass of the season.

There are certain American traits that would have been considered the norm in our society that arn't anymore . I guess there passe , like Me , lol .

I agree with BAD about the Britt signing. I can't even remember many posters on HERE who liked it

That's up to the owners, not the players. Players are cut or traded on a whim, when they are traded people move on very quickly because they are rooting for laundry.

I started disliking Sherman when he got in crabtree's face after that playoff game

Oh, I think he is an idiot. A highly educated idiot, but still an idiot.

But the fans aren't the players customers. They're the owners customers. Maybe when the owners have to honor the contracts they sign with the players in full I may change my way of thinking about this. But as of now that's not the case.

I see life as a two way street. Players don't owe their team any more loyalty than the owners owe the players.

They go on about their business.

We're allowed to watch.

J/C - the longer free agency goes on and he is unsigned, the less leverage Pryor has. I'd maybe take him on an incentive laden deal at vet minimum. There are a lot of good WRs in this class who have youth and time at the position on their side.

Yeah, as of late I've been thinking that DJ Moore or Ridley could be targets and we could probably easily move back in the first round to acquire any one of them.

This would give us a little more assurance, even if we still get TP, that Landry isn't going to be the only WR on the field worth a dang. This goes on the belief Gordon is going to screw it up again and Coleman is going to be injured come preseason. IDK about giving up anything close to "a lot" though to move back in.

I'm still on the hope for Terrelle Pryor band wagon. I still have no faith in our WR corp. Jarvis Landry is a great edition. Josh Gordon is a number 4 receiver until he can prove he can be relied upon to be allowed on the sidelines on Sunday and Corey Coleman is a number 3 until he proves he can stay healthy and be productive.

So yeah, Terrelle Pryor or Jordan Matthews. A rookie WR sounds fun, but rookie WRs often are unproductive, and I'd have more faith in Pryor or Matthews getting the job done. I'd rather not pick one that high, when we have two prospects on the team already trying to prove themselves (Coleman and Gordon)

Matthews or Pryor are who I want. They've both proven they can be productive.

One thing those, "good WRs in this class", don't have is experience. We'll still draft one or more regardless of Pryor. It's not an either/or.

Pryor had a bad year last year, with injury playing a major role in that. But he had a great year here and no reason to think he can't repeat that. It's not like it was five years ago. He likely won't get the numbers because this time he'll not be the only WR who can catch.

Jarvis, chapter one. LOL, sorry bro I couldn't resist on the typo there. I feel what you're saying though. Can't bank on Gordon when you know he can ball it. Can't bank on Corey because he's in his own rehab for health issues. But hesitant to go high on WR because we do indeed have them people/unproven production at the NFL level via a rookie. Even if it boiled down to Landry and TP, we need help there.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

the ones that liked the Britt signing were the same ones that think every Browns draft pick is a home run and
every free agent signing is awesome
the ones that wereally supportive of the Britt signing liked the Bowe signing

We're customers of the Cleveland Browns (or the NFL, depending how you look at it). The players are employed by the Browns. Just as in any other business; whether the workers are treated fairly or not, the paying customer is what butters their bread and should be shown some loyalty. The players should not ignore that fact because the owners don't treat them fairly.

At least PRETEND that bond is there. Browns without fan loyalty are kinda hard to define. Ownership neglecting their fanbase, well kinda FO definition for some folks.

If you get it, have it, keep it, it matters IMO.

Even more reason the Jets might focus on the QB, and also kind of sad as a Teddy fan but probably why he's not getting paid much:

Asked today by New York reporters whether he’ll be able to participate in spring workouts, Bridgewater declined to answer.

“That’s something I’m not comfortable talking about right now,” Bridgewater said. “I’m pretty sure that’ll be a discussion that I have with the training staff. We’ll come up with a plan moving forward.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...s-fully-healed/

If Bridgewater is smart, he will drag this out as long as he can and make sure he is fully healed before he hits the field.

Per MKC on Twitter: its down to Seahawks and Jets for Pryor.

Verified account @MaryKayCabot

Appears to be down to the #Jets and #Seahawks for Terrelle Pryor, at least for right now

2:54 PM - 21 Mar 2018

If true, then we must not have made much of an offer his direction.

I'm certain we made an offer. I'm also certain that it wasn't the largest offer.

Hopefully we swoop in at the last minute and pick him up

No thanks to Pryor. He sucked last year with the Redskins and that was before his whatever injury he ended up. Sorry hands and route running.

Give me 1 of: Kirk, Moore, or Chark in the second round and I will be happy.

I'm not as certain. I honestly don't know. And I don't recall hearing anything about us meeting with him or his agent. I recall reading MKC saying something like we were close to a deal and I also read somewhere that we weren't even interested. I don't trust MKC, she's as bad as Grossi at times.

I wonder if it was an incentive laden offer and his agent said no, at least until the other offers were in. I'm guessing he'll take guarantees over gambling on himself this time.

I look at it differently. Josh is a #1 all the way, unless he isn't a player in the league. Any time he plays, he is as good as anyone.


As for TP....that's water over the dam. As was said, I'd offer him a minimum contract full of incentives. The guy isn't getting much action, at least as it seems now.

I don't like the fact he is visiting several teams before he visits us. It's like he is going everywhere else to set his market, then expect us to top it because Hue likes him.



Screw that. He had his shot last year....a year he wishes he could play over.



Sorry TP, you walked away from a boatload of money to bet on yourself, and you lost. You aren't going to get that back.


I'll take him back. He has value, but he is getting kind of old. We can move up or move down to get Calvin for way less than what he is hoping to get.



Dream on.

They offered him a long term contract last year and he passed it up for a "show me" deal. As far as I'm concerned, his ship has sailed. I would like for him to sign with us, but it appears to me he has other thoughts.

Makes me wonder if he really was wanting to come back, or if it was just some speculation from MKC and others.

I also think he is looking to be the guy, and knows with Landry and Gordon, he won't be the primary target like last time.

No doubt we threw an offer at him but not much of one, or either Seahawks/Jets are really valuing him a lot after coming off a bad season at a position he's new at/with.

Of course, but what's our insurance policy when Josh Gordon relapses and Corey Coleman doesn't improve/production doesn't change?

What's the backup plan that we will realistically need to follow? Because you've been on this board a long long time. So you have closely followed Josh Gordon's Career like the rest of us.

How much faith do you have in Josh Gordon not to screw this up? For what he costs, he's a steal. That's why he's still on this team. His talent verses cost of the rookie contract is why he's here of course.

But to count on him to be a primary option, does that make much sense without a backup plan?




Theoretically Calvin Ridley will cost a 1st round pick, probably mid-round. What's the monetary value of that? We paid 15 million for a 2nd round pick. How much do you think Terrelle Pryor would command?

And we have 70 million in cap space. It's not our money. What's more important? Jimmy Haslam's money or valuable draft picks?

We can roll over unused cap space into future years. It's how we have ended up with so much cap room despite having one of the highest team salaries in 2017. At some point we, hopefully, will have to re-sign players from these massive draft classes. When that time comes, it'll be nice to have this extra money.

Absolutely, but if we're willing to give up 15 million for a 2nd round pick & 6th round pick, while trading a 4th round pick away.

What's a 1st round pick worth?

It's not the same thing. Pryor probably wants another one year deal, while the potential draft brings a cheap contract for four years (with an option for a fifth year). Also, the draft pick is much younger and has more time to develop. Furthermore, in an unrelated note, some would say we should still draft the first round receiver even if we signed Pryor.

Bingo!