DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Would you want OBJ and what would it take to get him?

Landry also catches EVERYTHING underneath by DESIGN in Miami.

Beckham is also a POS loud mouth distraction.

Beckham also believes he should be the HIGHEST paid player in the league. Including QB'S. And with Cousin's making 28 Million a year?

That makes Beckham not only DELUSIONAL, but IGNORANT at the same time.

Quite a feat for the Loud Mouth PUNK.

I don't think Landry is better than OBJ, but there is a saying that goes something like this: the best ability is availability.

I will say it is somewhat amazing that these two guys were teammates at LSU and were in the same draft class.

I remember some guys on this board loved Mettenburger and would get all buttsore when I mentioned that he had Landry, OBJ and Hill and the offense was still terrible.

But that arm strength!

Question becomes "How much would a buyer pay someone to poison their watering hole?"

I don't want him at any price, much less two firsts and maybe a wee bit more. Just crazy.

It's a negotiation, they definitely aren't getting two 1st and they know it.

I think I’d pass on OBJ. Talented, but with what issues?

Yea, I see that value but I really have a problem with the “me me” type of guys and that’s what he seems like.

Give up a ridiculous draft pick haul and pay a ridiculous amount of money for a big mouth me guy who gets hurt a lot? Never going to happen. Not while Dorsey is GM. Doesn't matter how talented OBJ is. And thank your lucky stars. Mind boggling this is even being seriously discussed.

Talent aside, OBJ would be another Manziel for the team in that all the talk every week would be on that one player. It would be OBJ this, OBJ that on a constant basis all season long. He and his antics would instantly become the face of the franchise. Screw that.

Hell no.... no wide receiver is worth two first round picks... especially when you've won one game in the past two years...

How does that affect winning?

OBJ tilts the field.
Elite player.

I would give enough to make the deal work but not 2 firsts.

I have to say ...

The idea of pairing Beckham Jr. up with Josh Gordon, Jarvis Landry and David Njoku is an exciting idea. We instantly have the best set of skill players in the entire league in my own opinion, especially when you factor in Duke Johnson and Carlos Hyde.

I do not like the idea of paying him $20 million a year though, or whatever he's actually looking for. We have not even locked up Gordon or Landry long term.

With that being said.

I would be willing to trade the following:

Swap from #1 to #2
2nd rounder this season (#64).
5th rounder this season
4th round pick in 2019
WR Corey Coleman
CB Jamar Taylor

He's an elite player when healthy and as I said before, adding him to this skill group instantly gives us the best in the entire league in my opinion.

I disagree, and most years I'm the only one clamoring for adding wr's when others want other.

OBJ, is long in the tooth, overrated, and wouldn't stay on the Browns very long. (18 months?) and would cost 10's of millions more unable to give to other players.
Though good he's not as special as NY hype tells you he is.

Corey Coleman, should be given more time to succeed and may be the better option for the Browns success, because of his potentially longer career with the Browns and continuity.

j/c

With me the question isn't do you want OBJ on your team. The question becomes is the investment worth the player? The asking price is far too high for the player.

NOOOOO he's a pain in the A##

Gordon + #4

Sig: Long long long suffering browns fan.


Not even sure how to being.

My stance on OBJ hasn't changed... they just want too much and it's as simple as that. We're not a "wr away" from winning, so no use to even think about OBJ and the price tag being asked.

Truthfully, even if a team was a wr away from winning, I still don't justify what they're apparently demanding. That's ludicrous.

It's not just the draft capital needed to acquire him, it's the HUGE contract he'll require afterwards

That's insane.

If you go into the offseason with Jarvis still unsigned for next year, do you just scrap the plan and throw money at OBJ instead?

Yeah, it's just really damaging to a team's immediate future in both draft picks and cap because of the outright investment OBJ will be. It's clear the man like Revis and he'll likely just play anywhere the $ is.

NYG is insane for asking two first round picks (if true.)

The only thing more insane would be if someone actually gave them 2 firsts

That's the negotiation starting point, they'll move him for a 2nd and a 3rd. I'd give our late second this year, the third next year and off Coleman in trade.

I wouldn't give one 1st for OBJ, much less the absurdity of them asking for two.

We'd be better served waiting until he is either released or becomes a FA and just sign him.

I still wouldn't sign him, he will want an outrageous contract and the guy is another T.O./Ochocinco....a diva. Gordon stays straight plus Landry and the rest of our WR corp we are looking pretty good.

Dj Moore =]

I'm sorry, I don't understand. Are you suggesting we draft DJ Moore instead of signing OBJ, or are you saying DJ Moore falls into the same category as OBJ/TO/85?

No need to be sorry, I was extremely vague. But trading back into the first and grabbing Dj in the mid'ish to later first. Not necessarily an "instead of OBJ" but overall for the success of the WR core. We don't have any threats outside of Landry to bank on.

JMO

This is the kind of stuff that just drives me crazy. Why would anyone want to think that waiting on Coleman to see if he improves is a better option than getting a player like OBJ who at 50% is heads and heals better than Coleman? How can anyone justify packaging picks to move back into the 1st round to draft a rookie that will cost nearly 25 million with a 99% chance of being less of a player than OBJ yet just fine with giving draft picks for a rookie but not an established pro Bowl WR?

Look, this is simple economics for the Giants. At only 6.7 million in cap space, the Giants cannot sign OBJ to an extension and sign their draft picks without some major restructuring which they have no plan to do at this point. I also think their cap problems get fixed next year when they release Manning and go with the cheaper rookie they draft this year or next.

Second and more importantly, the Browns would actually have some major control over what they pay OBJ. The guy is a top 3 receiver in the NFL and should get paid but within reason. A long term deal at 4 years is not unreasonable and at 17-19 million will be less than if you wanted to go after him next year - bank on that. He's going to play no matter what because he needs the resume going into FA status next year to get his huge payday. However, if he won't sign the extension, he's actually very cheap this year and the Browns could use the Franchise Tag on him next year and it would still be a huge bargain for the Browns over a 2-year period. Ahhh, this also gives the Browns that 2-year window to decide or see if Gordon stays out of trouble too at minimal cost.

As it stands now, if Coleman continues his bust status and Gordon falls off the wagon, who the hell are the QB's going to throw the ball too on the Browns? Opponents wouldn't even have to play a safety against the Browns because Landry is not a deep threat. Heck, bring back Quinn because we instantly become a dink and dunk team with no running game because of the defense having 8 in the box.

The Browns have to get off their wallets and start putting playmakers on this team. They cannot keep missing on their 1st round picks and then fielding serviceable players sitting on 90 million dollars in cap. Does OBJ have some issues - yup! Is he the best talent at WR the Browns would have had in 20-years - YUP!

Here's my offer to the Giants for OBJ:

GIANTS GET:
Browns 2018 2nd round #33
Browns 2018 2nd round #64
Browns 3rd round in 2019
WR Coleman or RB Johnson

BROWNS GET:
WR OBJ
Giants 2018 4th round #108

So what does this give us considering most mock drafts:
WR OBJ (Pro Bowler)
#1 QB Darnold
#4 DE Chubb
#32 RB Guice (Trade with PHIL giving #35 and #108 from Giants for pick #32) Note: this gives the Browns the 5th year option by getting Guice in the 1st round - huge move.
#114 4th Rd S Elliott (Texas)
#150 5th Rd T Harrison (W. Georgia)
#175 6th Rd G Welsh (Iowa)
#188 6th Rd LB Hamilton (Alabama)

One thing that cannot be denied is your passion to get OBJ to the Browns.