DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hue Jackson: New Browns are causing 'cleansing of this organization'

Not true...and you may be surprised by who did.

Sorry about that. I did notice you mentioned it.

I just tried to look at things big picture and actually explain why I though the team should give Hue one more year. I just found it funny, but expected, how the usual suspects overlooked all of that and went back to the usual bickering. Which I can do with the best of them as well. lol

It's obvious it's not actually a discussion they want.

Believe it or not, I hope you're wrong with your first paragraph. My opinions aside, Hue's the coach and I hope he proves us both wrong and wins a lot of games this season.

I disagree with your stability argument. There was enough in place to attract a decent coach this season given the draft picks and Dorsey at the helm. Any coaching candidate would expect that 1-31 is completely unacceptable and recognize why he would have been fired. Coaches have been rightly fired for less.

I think that all remnants of the worst run in NFL history should have been swept away. I had no problem with Sashi getting fired, I just wish Hue would have went with him.

I respect your opinion and I really won't say you're wrong. Actually had Hue have been fired along with Sashi I would have understood it. It's not what happened and those who drone on and on about it gets tiring.

I guess the only real difference we have in our opinion is that I think future coaching candidates will want to see some actual evidence of a turn around. Some actual talent signed and drafted that will give them cause to come here other than simply the names on the office doors in Berea. The only way that could be accomplished was if Hue was kept on for another year.

But actually we're not that far from being on the same page.

I think all of us, well at least most of us, want Hue to do well this season. I just haven't seen anything that instills the confidence in me to believe that will be the outcome.

We agree on almost everything ...

- I have said Hue was dealt a crappy hand ... HORRIBLE HAND ... we agree ..
- i thought we had enough talent on the team to win 1 maybe 2 games ... it appears we agree ..
- Sashi was HORRIBLE and should have never been hired ... i believe we agree ...
- we’ve always known expectations are way to high around here ... we agree ...

We actually disagree on very little ... now ... to the rest of your VERY ENLIGHTENING POST ...



I agree 100% with that .. its the main reason Sashi’s gone ... if he got a qb we could have won 4 - 6 games last year ... he didn’t ... with the QB room the way it was week 1 .. i dont blame Hyue at all for starting Kizer .. HE HAD TOO ...

Thats not what i meant by mis-handling him ... it was the way he “broke” him in and the benchings ... the best example I can use is my boy Mitch ... they were both rookies in slightly different boats ... Mitch spent 4 years in college but only started one ... so he NEEDED REPS to make up for it .. he was INEXPERIENCED in that regard and not NFL ready as far as that goes ... Kizer was a mess ... he was no WHERES near ready ... and i was DEAD SET against starting Kizer day 1 ... but HUE HAD NO CHOICE .. i have ZERO PROBLEMS with that part ...

Chicago in Mitch’s first game had him roll out 90 - 95 % of the pass plays ... that gave him only half the field to read .... they relied heavily on the run ... the first 4 or 5 passes were very very easy throws ... the first couple were WR screens .... then week by week they built from there .. they SPOON FED HIM .... it was actually fun to watch this develop every week ... til by the end of the year ... they had maybe 5 - 10% of his passes being rollouts ... they were passing a hell of a lot more and they opened the playbook up for him as he got better ...

THATS HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE ...

Hue on the other hand with someone less ready seemed to throw the ENTRIE PLAYBOOK at him in week 1 ... thats just MORONIC ... it seemed right before the bye Hue scaled it back .. the Minni game sticks out to me as a GREAT GAME PLAN for a rookie qb that by that time was struggling .. but within a week or two it was back to what appeared to be the entire play book ..

Then there’s the lack of running plays and under utilizing Duke .. U PROTECT YOUR ROOKIE QB’S especially one that isn’t near nfl ready ...

Then there was the benchings ... he did the same thing to Cody last year ... in, out, in, out ... u cant do that to a rookie thats isn’t mentally ready for the nfl ... it wasn’t good ...

Thats what i meant by mishandling Kizer .... i think Hue had no choice but to start him ... then i think hue handled it horribly ....



I’m not sure why he’s gone ... it may be cause Dorsey thought he stunk and had no chance of becoming good ... or if Dorsey did it for Hue .... or if Dorsey did it cause he thought Kizer needed a fresh start ...

I dont really care ... i’m A WIN guy ... Whats Important Now ... and right now all that matters is we now have 2 QB’s better than any of the crap Hue was forced to play last year and hopefully the FRANCHISE QB in 3 - 4 weeks ...




We agree .. id like to add .. with a rookie QB u PROTECT HIM any way u can .. and one of the ways to do that is by running the ball ... and utilizing your ONLY PLAYMAKER for most of the year ...



We’ll find out ... as bad as the hand Hue was dealt the last two years ... hes gonna be getting dealt a MUCH MUCH better hand this time ...

Hue is also not the HC/OC anymore ... that’s HUGE ....

I’m also VERY EXCITED about the OFFENSIVE BRAINPOWER on this coaching staff ... Hue is still a very good - great offensive mind ... Haley is also a very good offensive mind ... and then Zampese ain’t no slouch ...

And the BEST PART ... they have SOME WEAPONS to play with ... and we aren’t done in that category yet ...

Hue has proved he could not do a good job on gamedays coaching the teams we had the last 2 years ... this years team will be WAY WAY BETTER just because of the QB change ... then add to it Landry and who knows who else ... YATZEEEEE ...



Ya .. me too ... I also get sick of seeing U and Vers defend him ad nauseam .. even though i know why and understand it ... it doesn’t make it MORE TOLERABLE ... ..



Could not agree more ... lets see whats in this box of chocolates .. we know the last one wsn’t very good but this is a WHOLE NEW BOX ...



I have no problem with Hue being here ... NONE ... after the bye based on the off field BS I thought he should be canned ... not cause of football ... and even then i said ... if only one of them gets canned it should definetly be Sashi ... and it wasn’t even close ... NO-BRAINER ...

Thats long enough ... as for the rest ..

I WAS NEVER ON THE FIRE HUE BANDWAGON like some around here ... only time i ever mentioned it was around the bye and i said they should both be gone ... and that was for about a 3 week period and haven’t mentioned it since ... and that had NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL OR OUR RECORD ...

So there u have it Pit ... if were not on the same exact page ... were only a page apart ...

My reading OK for the most part .. its the COMPREHENSION i usually struggle with ... *L* ..

And please ... please .. i beg u .. dont get me started on my grammar and spelling ... ..

In this case ... IT MIGHT BE .. OK ... IT IS because I quit reading BOTH SIDES sometime in Nov. .. they’d been saying the same crap POST AFTER POST from the bye on ... i read anything on this subject VERY RARELY and have REPLIED LESS since then ...

This place is set up for lots of dead horses ... but a few dead horses have come back to life and been beaten to death 5 or 6 times ... the Timid/Smelly horse is the only one to RIVAL THIS ONE in the amount of deaths by beating ... *L*

If you’ve read even 1/2 of those posts from the usual suspects ... YOUR A BETTER MAN THAN I ...

No thanks to me for ASKING THE QUESTION that prompted the response ... ...

It is nice to know you care.

OK! Thanks for asking the question, Diam...

Thanks man ... now i can sleep tonight ..

I agree with your post, Hue has made serious mistakes but deserves a shot with a decent roster. I think there are several factors that could help him succeed and a single factor that could cost him his job.

First, added talent to the roster, the addition of Todd Haley, and a second year in GW's defense could lead to enough success to save Hue's job. And I don't think it will take even a .500 season to do that.

On the other hand, if Tyrod Taylor doesn't play well and we start the season on a losing skid, Hue may end up being the sacrificial goat before the halfway point.

My hope is Haley can get TT coached up and comfortable within his system to the point where he can win six or seven games. If he can't it will likely cost Hue his job and we'll be seeing the rookie QB sooner rather than later regardless of Hue's assurances he won't play this year. (Another stupid comment no one can take seriously and only serves to further undermine his credibility.)

The emphasis is clearly on winning now even while Dorsey continues building the team and developing our players. My concern is that we are leaning on TT to do it. I think he was a good signing but there is an incredible amount of pressure for him to succeed with a team that is just now starting to gel, and will be seeing a rather large influx a new starting talent. It's a lot to ask of a mediocre QB.

JMHO

Why do you constantly insult me when I don't even talk about you? Man!

I agree, we seem to have all the kings horses and getting the kings men,...but do we have a king? <(GM).

I don't think that we have ever had all three since 99.

Yes, that would be worth getting exited for, because man... have we had a great fall.

Only consistent winning can cleanse this organzation. It is long over due.

Call me when they win 2 in a row.

I think I have my new stadium sign, do you want credit? JK.

Cleansing? I don't know about that.
I was thinking more along the line of flushing.This org.should have been flushed years ago.

Yeah, heaven help us if we actually want a real discussion on a topic rather than the same tired BS we usually hear.

Are you wearing your soft helmet yet?

I pretty much agree with everything you posted.

The thing about TT IMO is simply this, this will be his 8th year in the NFL. At this juncture I think he pretty much is what he is. I mean that isn't a bad thing. He's a .500 QB. That's something we haven't seen in a long time.

On paper we have a very tough schedule outside the division. I think some posters have set unrealistic goals as to what our W total may be, or in their mind should be this coming season. On a personal note, I would consider six wins pretty good progress.

That's not what I'm hoping for or would like to see. But when looking at the teams we'll be facing I would certainly see that as major progress and a good step of moving in the right direction.

I'm not really sure if you are trying to be funny or just didn't pay attention last year.

this organization needed a douche and a cleanse.

That quote was from me not Fla. ...

I wasn’t trying to be funny ...

I did watch last year ... and the 10 years before that ... the man didn’t become an offensive idiot cause of the last year ... many reasons that i would explain if u would like ...

Now go apologize to Fla ...

I'm waiting for someone to start the "Hue-the-QB-killer" T-shirt.

RG3
McCown
Kessler
Whitehurst
Kizer
Hogan

BTW & FWIW that was intended to be funny...not a dig.

You're really going to put Whitehurst on Hue?

Man, I always forget about we had and played Whitehurst until his name gets mentioned. Trying to remember all the Browns qbs is like trying to remember all the digits right of the decimal point of PI.

No Osweiller ?

And who could forget Terrelle Pryor's 9 pass attempts in 2016?!?

It is time to turn things around. (suggest)

Baker Mayfiled at #1, "He He"

Orlando Brown at #4, ...

Carry on. ( oh, and keep the team together, your team together, for 3+ years, add a few pieces here and there, quit cutting your veterans, and pretty soon you will be a better football team).
Exercise and eating right, it's the latest fad diet.

Truthfully over the days, the thought of Haley with Duke (speed and spice)/Hyde (power and some spice) and Landry alone has rummaged up some excitement for the offense this season. You throw in a possible Gordon and it's truly amazing what could be schemed up for all downs/situations. Just almost need decent QB play and decent line play. Nice to think anyway.

No. Hue takes care of Hue just fine.

Joker?: "What this town needs is an enema." DEEP cleansing. Albeit we seem to have cleansed VERY regularly since The Return. Why did this get a headline. Could have used it last year earlier.

Shampoo it is. Rinse, lather, repeat! Repeat! Repe . . . .

In what week does Todd Haley receive his promotion?

There. Fixed it for you.

yep.. thats what counts