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This could go in the Darnold thread, but I find this interesting...


Jets are working out Allen but not Darnold.


Does this mean Darnold is for sure gone by pick #3 or have the Jets really seen enough of him?

Let the Jets have Allen. By all means

or lamar. which i hope is the case.

I think Lamar can play right away.

2 guys I wouldn't put on the field week 1 are Darnold and Allen.

While he can give instant offense, Lamar needs to sit.

Most ready to play week one is Rosen.

j/c

(Playing devils advocate against those who argue that Allen can't be a good NFL QB because he wasn't even the best QB in a weak college conference.)

There was a 'meet Josh Allen' type video played during the Senior Bowl broadcast that pointed out that while Rosen and Darnold were spending their HS summers going to QB camps and getting exposed to specialized QB coaching, Allen was working on the family farm. He was never exposed to any type of QB coaching til he went to Wyoming, and there it wasn't the high level specialized kind the other top prospects have received. In terms of that level of coaching, the Jordan Palmer training he has had in the last few months is his first. It therefor follows that his time with Palmer COULD have more of an impact on improving his deficiencies than anyone else in the class.

If that is the case, then taking him in the top of the draft and sitting him for a year or 2 to learn, while a big gamble, could pay off big. You would normally take that type of project in the 3rd round or later, but his arm will have someone willing to take that gamble. I don't think that should be the Browns, they can't afford that big a gamble.

He sucks.

Lol, great post.

Sometimes I am succinct, but I will elaborate:
He had problems reading coverages, his completion percentage is embarrassing, he has no touch on the shorter throws. He reminds me of a lesser version of Derek.

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Lol....don't worry I wasn't asking you to elaborate. The greatness of your previous post said enough for me to know we're not going to have any type of dialogue i'm interested in.

Cheers!

Yes short and to the point, a truly great post because Allen DOES suck lol!

And here i thought you were better then that.

In other words, you think he sucks?

Yes, that's what I was trying to say.

He is the worst performing QB by far being considered in the first round. He scores very few TDs and has a horrible completion percentage. There is nothing besides a strong arm that anyone likes about him. He sucks as a first round prospect.

I'd agree. Allen is going to be the ultimate overdraft this year. I can't believe we are said to be considering him. I'd rather take Rudolph at 1.

i rather take lamar jackson at 1

Stop.

Your post just piggybacked off lampdogg's post.

Neither post is a response to my post.

You're a better poster then that.

Allen is a really big guy. He looks the part. He has one of the best arms you will see. He is mobile and throws well on the run. He is incredibly smart. He is showing that he takes well to coaching. He improved all week long at the senior bowl. He looked even better at the combines. Shortened his stride at his proday and was very accurate.

I think he is to big of a risk when i can go with a Darnold and get close to the upside with a fraction of risk. Bills are looking to leap the Broncos for Allen. good news for us.

If he sucks so bad, why is he projected to go in the top 4 of this draft?

Must be something there.

While the Bills may have their eye on our #4, I think they may also be discussing trading with the Giants for the #2 to get their guy before their division rivals, the Jets, pick.

because he looks the part.

it isn't based on actual results. because if it was based on results, he wouldn't go higher than the 3rd round.

Mason Rudolph is a better prospect than Allen, IMO.

Yup. I fully expect the Giants to either A) Trade down or B) Take a QB. I don't think the Bills traded up in the first place to not get themselves their QB. Whatever teh Bills offer the Giants, will be too much to take a non-qb in front of

right - all the GMs, scouts, and analysts are projecting him that high because he "looks" the part. Not because:

1. Best arm in the draft by far
2. Excellent mobility to extend plays
3. Great size and all that entails (ie. hand size)
4. Played in pro-style offense
5. Intelligence
6. Leadership skills

all those things....yet he wasnt even the best QB in his own trash conference.

think about that.

all those things, ya think he would've dominated.

but he didn't. not even close.

Last I recall, football was a team sport.

Who exactly did your guy Jackson dominate? Tell me how Rosen dominated his conference?

Mayfield - Ok
Darnold - OK.

1 good team in the ACC and you think it is some powerhouse - please.

Lamar was the best QB in the ACC.

You’re right, it is a team sport, which is why Lamar did everything because he ALSO played with a lack of talent around him.

Yet offensively, he rose to the top against way tougher competition than Allen played against.

And you want to compare the ACC to....what division did Allen play in again?

Wentz didn’t play in a tough decision either, but atleast he DOMINATED the conference he played in. Allen wasn’t even the best in his own conference, yet he’s somehow better than Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Mayfield?

He ain’t even better than mason Rudolph. So what good is all those attributes you listed if he can’t even put it together on the actual field. Ya know, on game day, where it actually MATTERS.

If you like Allen so much, why weren’t you advocating for Kizer? They’re the same damn thing. All the measurables, can’t put it together on game day.

I actually like Darnold the most, by the way.

I think your conference domination is hogwash.

Did Elway dominate the Pac10?
Did Marino dominate the independents?
Did Brady dominate the Big 10?
Did Brees dominate the Big 10?

No, no, no, and no and I could go on.

I like Allen because I can project what I think he can be at the next level. You cannot or do not wish too. Fine.

Drew Brees holds the big 10 record for most passing yards. please stop.

also, i can name a bunch of QB's who were good in their conference that will absolutely wipe out the list you just gave.

i'm projecting what he will be too. not good.

Brady will always be the ultimate exception to the rule. because remember, he got drafted in the 6th round.

he wasn't projected as a 1st round pick like Allen was. so i've already nullified half the QB's you just named.

I'm just sorta commenting here....


The thing with Allen is that I keep hearing he'll improve with better talent around him. However, the defenses he faces will also be better than the ones he faced at Wyoming.

Mahomes was one of the few quarterbacks out there who didn't necessarily "win" that I really liked. Just at a quick glance, comparing both their games in their final year, Wyoming scored more than 40 points only twice while Texas Tech scored 50+ 7 times...against greater competition presumably...

Honestly, I don't really look the talent and level of competition. The #1 thing I kept hearing about Wentz was his level of competition. I mean, if you can play football, you can play football.

I cringe whenever I hear someone say the talent around Allen was suspect and he'll probably be better in the pros. It's not like he was facing NFL caliber defenses with college level talent. Allen should have been better... Perhaps he should have stayed in college another year.

Allen may pan out but the risk of drafting him #1 overall is way too high... it's much higher of a risk than Rosen, or Darnold or Mayfield or even Jackson or Rudolph. Using the #1 pick on Allen just doesn't make sense when you have a better chance of landing a great quarterback by selecting almost anyone else.

YOU need to stop. My post was a direct response to the link to NFL.com you provided about Allen. And I don't care what kind of 'dialogue' you're looking to have.

I think Allen is not good - HE SUCKS!! - and in a subsequent post, I explained why I feel that way.

Oh when you said to razor that 'you're a better poster than that', don't think I missed the insult toward me.

Now why don't you go and gather up some more stats, and post them here. Meanwhile, I'll be formulating my own conclusions based upon the opinions of QB evaluators that I trust -a couple of them post on this board, in fact.

And my own eyeballs... cuz I know a crappy QB when I see one. I should, I've been a a Browns fan long enough.

Why do I trust their opinions, you might ask?
Why, I'd be delighted to tell you.
Because they've been right far more often than not with respect to QB evaluations over the years.
Say hi to RG3 for me. What's he doing these days, Ed?

Did Elway dominate the Pac 10? I dunno. He was second in the Heisman Voting though, so i'd say he probably did

Marino holds most records at his school. He was elected into the College Football Hall Of Fame in 2002. I bet he was pretty freakin good

Brees, as someone said, holds a bunch of records.

So you've got Tom Brady, who played football at Univ of Michigan, against Big 10 Opponents. And he did well enough to get drafted.

Guess what, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick. While he proved everyone wrong, there's a reason he was.

If that's all you have, that's pretty miniscule man. Tom Brady.... 1 QB, the greatest find ever, in the entire NFL. And for goodness sake, he was playing tough college competition. Josh Allen, plays at Wyoming. Against MWAC Competition. He didn't dominate. His numbers aren't impressive.

Allen has potential, but is risky as heck for the number 1 pick. Huge Risk

Your taking things toooo seriously mate. Lighten up =) I still think Allen sucks though and I am being very serious. I've already done in depth posts as to why so I don't think I need to rehash it.

You are posting at me that Josh Allen sucks for absolutely no reason and somehow that's my issue?

Its okay. Its your fault. Just move on.

Good grief! We are all long-suffering fans of this cursed team. I started out liking Allen, then went to Rosen (on Vers' recommendation), then sorta crushed on Mayfield. Now I am back to Allen.

Why should any of us get so damn mad at someone else for liking a different QB? None of us know who is going to make it and who won't. And lately, I've been reading about the Rudolph kid ....

If this team is willing to let this kid learn, and if he CAN learn, Having Taylor and Stanton would put Allen in a good spot. If they draft him, I'm sure they saw something many don't.

IMO, any of these top guys could be a bust.