My daughter, and son for that matter, have seen what guns/bullets/slugs can and will do. To a clay pigeon, to a woodchuck, to a deer. They, as well as myself, GET IT.
They also understand the difference in guns/calibers. I have 1 shotgun that is used for skeet/clay pigeons, and celebrating a Browns t.d.
I have 1 shotgun that has NEVER had anything other than a slug shot through it. My deer gun. And truthfully, not 1 single person other than me has shot that gun.
I have some that I use for plinking targets in the back yard. I have 1 I use for woodchucks. 1 that is a collectors item.
Oh yea, I think there's a huge difference between 3 and 17 for guns. I also think it's important that youngsters see what damage a gun can do.
Totally non-scientific on my part, but it's been near 100% for me: The folks who have guns but don't hunt or kill varmints tend to treat guns a bit differently than those who hunt. I mean those who just target shoot act all Arnold tough guy about it, like it's an extension of their personality. For hunters, I think seeing the damage done "tempers" the excitement a bit and replaces it with somber respect.
Quite a jump to go from her saying they excluded someone to being the same as bullying someone. I didn't play football in HS so the football kids never invited me anywhere. I wasn't being bullied though..
os·tra·cize ˈästrəˌsīz/ verb past tense: ostracized; past participle: ostracized
exclude (someone) from a society or group. "a group of people who have been ridiculed, ostracized, and persecuted for centuries" synonyms: exclude, shun, spurn, cold-shoulder, reject, shut out, avoid, ignore, snub, cut dead, keep at arm's length, leave out in the cold; blackball, blacklist; informalfreeze out "they were ostracized by their fellow workers"
The only thing better than asking how ostracized can mean bullied is being provided proof that it isn't by the claimant.
Originally Posted By: Vambo
Originally Posted By: gage
Oh yea, I think there's a huge difference between 3 and 17 for guns. I also think it's important that youngsters see what damage a gun can do.
Totally non-scientific on my part, but it's been near 100% for me: The folks who have guns but don't hunt or kill varmints tend to treat guns a bit differently than those who hunt. I mean those who just target shoot act all Arnold tough guy about it, like it's an extension of their personality. For hunters, I think seeing the damage done "tempers" the excitement a bit and replaces it with somber respect.
You base this opinion off of what?
Personal experience, hence the disclaimer that it's non scientific. Every gun owner who hunts I've brought it up to though (whether my Trump voting father in law or my liberal friend from college) has observed the same thing. Just saying it's weird is all
Quite a jump to go from her saying they excluded someone to being the same as bullying someone. I didn't play football in HS so the football kids never invited me anywhere. I wasn't being bullied though..
os·tra·cize ˈästrəˌsīz/ verb past tense: ostracized; past participle: ostracized
exclude (someone) from a society or group. "a group of people who have been ridiculed, ostracized, and persecuted for centuries" synonyms: exclude, shun, spurn, cold-shoulder, reject, shut out, avoid, ignore, snub, cut dead, keep at arm's length, leave out in the cold; blackball, blacklist; informalfreeze out "they were ostracized by their fellow workers"
The only thing better than asking how ostracized can mean bullied is being provided proof that it isn't by the claimant.
Originally Posted By: Vambo
Originally Posted By: gage
Oh yea, I think there's a huge difference between 3 and 17 for guns. I also think it's important that youngsters see what damage a gun can do.
Totally non-scientific on my part, but it's been near 100% for me: The folks who have guns but don't hunt or kill varmints tend to treat guns a bit differently than those who hunt. I mean those who just target shoot act all Arnold tough guy about it, like it's an extension of their personality. For hunters, I think seeing the damage done "tempers" the excitement a bit and replaces it with somber respect.
You base this opinion off of what?
Personal experience, hence the disclaimer that it's non scientific. Every gun owner who hunts I've brought it up to though (whether my Trump voting father in law or my liberal friend from college) has observed the same thing. Just saying it's weird is all
Strange way of thinking but you are entitled to your opinion.
Yes being ridiculed, persecuted, exclude, shun, spurn, cold-shoulder, reject, shut out, avoid, ignore, snub and cut dead are a form of Bullying ind a school environment in my opinion.
It's a big difference from" kids never invited me anywhere. I wasn't being bullied though., did you try to invite them to anything you did?
I am glad to see we are now all on the same page with this march not being a children's march.
It is still up in the air as to what this march was truly about since it was hijacked from the children.
I have mostly heard anti Second Amendment crap and very little about protecting the children while in school.
You and all the others like you would miss the point of the protest. You care more about your guns than you do children. We get it.
when are you bleeding hearts going to stop with this stupid argumentative simplistic talking point? Really shows the amount of class you have, or lack thereof.
It would be the equivalent saying, you keep buying a cell phone, you choose email over children's lives. You know, because cell phones do cause more death in teens than guns do yearly...but you know that right?
When someone can take a cell phone into a school and kill my little girl plus dozens of other innocent kids with it, we'll talk.
A keyboard is pretty dangerous when whacked upside the head with it. Doesn't mean it's deadly weapon. Your arguments are so weak.
Your daughter has a better chance of getting killed in an accident by a texting and driving teen than a gun. She statistically speaking, has a better chance of being abducted adn sold than being gunned down in school. Your fake outrage is weak, along with your two faced lies which have already been documented.
Oh yea, I think there's a huge difference between 3 and 17 for guns. I also think it's important that youngsters see what damage a gun can do.
Totally non-scientific on my part, but it's been near 100% for me: The folks who have guns but don't hunt or kill varmints tend to treat guns a bit differently than those who hunt. I mean those who just target shoot act all Arnold tough guy about it, like it's an extension of their personality. For hunters, I think seeing the damage done "tempers" the excitement a bit and replaces it with somber respect.
What a load of twaddle. If I didn't tell you I owned a gun, you'd never know it unless you saw me carrying it to the range. Seeing as I'm discrete about that, you'd never know. I don't hunt, and I'd never point a gun at something or someone unless my intent was to kill them. It's not a toy. I've also taught my kids never to point a gun at anyone unless they intend to kill them, and it's not a toy. A gun is a serious tool, and should be treated as such.
I love shotguns to be sure but I prefer an accurate weapon over a spray weapon when my family is in the same building as live fire.
My single biggest knock against the AR-15 for personal defense use is the 5.56mm NATO round. It is a useful round for varmints/coyotes though. For people, it is designed to maim, not kill. This is per Eugene Stoner's (inventor of armalite rifle) testimony on why the Army choose such a "small round" for the weapon. In the event of a home invasion you'd want more than just maiming... you want to make sure the intruder isn't capable of moving.
All that said, I have a 3 year old at home and twins on the way. The safest thing I can do to protect my family right now is to get rid of my guns. Since I choose to keep them, I'm opting with the second safest: keep the guns unloaded, locked, and ammo well away, also locked. I do not feel personally safe to have a loaded gun in my home and know the home invasion statistics are so unlikely compared to my children getting access to the gun that I'll take my chances with a baseball bat. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/10/14/ap-usa-today-gun-accidents-children/91906700/
I never said a thing about you defending your family or owning a gun. Nothing.
My idea of being more intelligent is being measurably more intelligent. AND I will freely admit I'm not the smartest guy in the world by a long shot but I've NEVER been accused of being stupid or the dumbest guy in the room.
As for this new right-wing attack on intelligence like it's some sort of scarlet letter, I say BS. Calling me elitist for being a little smarter or more quick of wit is some kind of fascist fictional boogeyman created up in the troglodyte cave. I will never apologize for being intelligent, constantly striving to improve my personal knowledge, having world views that have evolved beyond basic instincts, or expressing my opinions very strongly when insulted, confronted, and or attacked.
Congratulations on keeping your family safe, I fully respect that. How about you try for just a moment to respect my views on wanting to keep other families including yours and especially the children not just safe but alive.
I understand your intentions. You just don't understand the consequences. The only thing this constant whittling away of our rights does is turn us all into victims. If you want the kids safe design schools better and have real security. No gun regulation is going to stop a murderer from getting a gun illegally and showing up at a school. That is a plain simple fact. What has stopped them events from being worse was a guard or citizen using a gun to put the bad guy down.
The only regulation I support is a mental fitness evaluation and for it to be repeated every time you renew your driver license.
The real issue that people are ignoring is teaching these kids to treat people with respect and to not bully others. Bullying is the number one reason that starts mass death or suicide events. Work on fixing that before stripping Americans of their rights.
Ah ok I get it, it's a parenting issue. Cool, how about we make some sort of solution for those people out there who get themselves pregnant and don't really want to be parents. What's that called again??? Oh yeah, abortion!
But you don't like that either. You'd rather have Welfare take care of the families... Nope. So you'd rather see these unwanted children be born, abandoned, and raised by the system, to probably end up as criminals or in prison, or starve from poverty. But hey, they had a fair shot at life right!
No I would prefer people raise themselves above the level of rutting animals who can't control themselves. I would prefer that people who fail at being humans and give into being animals who can't control their own bodies at the very least raise the life they create. I mean even most animals take care of their young. Can't humans be expected to behave better than animals?
Your solution to murder innocent and defenseless babies just because it's inconvenient is sickening to me. So since your admit your nothing more than rutting animals it's why I prefer mandatory birth control unless two people are married. I am not offended by preventing pregnancy but I am offended by the murder of innocent babies.
ADT is worse than the cops. ADT doesn't actually send anyone to help you. All they do is call the cops after they spend 3-10 minutes trying to confirm first that it's not a false alarm because the cops hate dealing with ADT because of how many false alarms go off. It's literally faster to just call the cops yourself. All ADT is good for is robbery prevention while your sleeping or not at home.
I am disabled and poor so no I don't have 55$ a month for useless service. My guns are always handy and a one time investment gives me a lifetime of security so the cost is a LOT cheaper and the results are AMAZINGLY better
POP goes the weasel!
See that is the difference. Liberals rely on the government and conservatives just get off their but and get stuff done. When the wolves of society are at your door you can either wait for Uncle Sam to eventually show up or you can bare your fangs and keep your family safe.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I love shotguns to be sure but I prefer an accurate weapon over a spray weapon when my family is in the same building as live fire.
My single biggest knock against the AR-15 for personal defense use is the 5.56mm NATO round. It is a useful round for varmints/coyotes though. For people, it is designed to maim, not kill. This is per Eugene Stoner's (inventor of armalite rifle) testimony on why the Army choose such a "small round" for the weapon. In the event of a home invasion you'd want more than just maiming... you want to make sure the intruder isn't capable of moving.
All that said, I have a 3 year old at home and twins on the way. The safest thing I can do to protect my family right now is to get rid of my guns. Since I choose to keep them, I'm opting with the second safest: keep the guns unloaded, locked, and ammo well away, also locked. I do not feel personally safe to have a loaded gun in my home and know the home invasion statistics are so unlikely compared to my children getting access to the gun that I'll take my chances with a baseball bat. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/10/14/ap-usa-today-gun-accidents-children/91906700/
Good discussion.
I choose lower calibur weapons because I have trouble being accurate with large calibur weapons due to an injury in my thumb. Shotgun don't matter that much but shooting something like a .45 is not possible for me. I mostly like a simple .22 for small game hunting and my bow for deer hunting. I don't own a ak15 because they cost too much for me but Dad loves his and I have fooled around with it. I love how easy it is for me to hit what I aim at with it.
Your choice to keep your gun locked up with small kids around is the right way to go. I recommend pin code safes though so you don't have to find keys when your under fire. While I would not keep the gun loaded I think it wise to keep some rounds of ammo in the safe with the gun or you risk it taking too long to get it up and running in a high pressure situation.
The best way to keep the kids out is to let them see you use it and to get taught regularly what is ok and what is not. If you leave it to their curiosity they just get stupid and do things they shouldn't. Get rid of the curiosity and you eliminate a lot of danger.
Totally your choice though and nothing wrong with being safe. I kept my guns at my Dad's house until my youngest was 6. Baseball bats can be pretty nice too =) So is my homemade Bowie I keep in the butcher block in my kitchen =)
I don't know if you do this or not but it's a great idea to practice with the family what will happen if people break in and have the in place and them have the knowledge to get out of the house in an alternative way. Last thing you want is to be forced to hole up upstairs or in the basement and have no way out. Rope ladder boxes are great for upstairs. They get you out the back way during a break in and they give you an extra way out in a fire.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Ah ok I get it, it's a parenting issue. Cool, how about we make some sort of solution for those people out there who get themselves pregnant and don't really want to be parents. What's that called again??? Oh yeah, abortion!
But you don't like that either. You'd rather have Welfare take care of the families... Nope. So you'd rather see these unwanted children be born, abandoned, and raised by the system, to probably end up as criminals or in prison, or starve from poverty. But hey, they had a fair shot at life right!
or maybe they grow up to be Steve Jobs Marilyn Monroe John Lennon Jamie Foxx Cher James Dean Nelson Mandela Willie Nelson Eddie Murphy Pierce Brosnan Simone Biles Jimmy Graham
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