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Several posts have suggested that Dorsey is going to like Allen because of his arm strength and site the drafting of Mahomes as evidence. However , i seem to remember reading that what Dorsey liked about Mahomes was hiw smart he was on the whiteboard during interviews.

I would suggest that Dorsey is going to value the whiteboard evaluation over arm strength.

Oh, I'm 100 percent with you. I just can't get through my head how we could choose Allen over the other three.

Just leaves me completely lost that these guys would risk the future of our team/their careers on this guy.

Of course, this whole situation has me losing sleep. I was tossing and turning lastnight, wife was knocked out at 1030, and I was up until 130, until I read a Benjamin Albright Tweet that made me feel better

There sure is a whole lot of hand-wringing going on about something Colin Cowherd said, that Peter King said, that 'a friend' of John Dorsey said. And the core assumption is that Dorsey confided in 'his friend' something that his years of experience in the field dictates he keep private.

+1 Exactly

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Josh Allen had the lowest drop rate of all the top QB’s in this year’s draft class. The highest drop rate was Lamar Jackson followed by Josh Rosen.

so, lowest drop rate, weak conference, didn't have most attempts down the field, etc.

Allen is not a #1 QB

He also threw 130-200 passes less than the other 5 QBs.

which makes him inefficient in just about everything.

or maybe their offense was much more conservative and balanced than the pass happy offenses of the other QBs.

or maybe he just sucked.

but he will still get drafted higher than your guy.

however true it may be, it certainly won't be based on the actual resume.

Or maybe their offense didn't get a lot of first downs because Josh Allen was their QB

Also, if we were picking in the 20's, more than likely we already have a franchise (franchise-ish) QB on the roster. A QB like Allen, with all the potential in the world, is afforded time to work on their game and bring mechanics up to NFL-level instead of being immediately thrown to the wolves without a chance to make it.

We were trying to tell you earlier.

Anyhow we got a long 23? days left don't stress over the mishigas

We're deep into lying season

Rosen is one good thump from QUITING football and Darnold has fumbled so many times it's scary. How'd Darnold do against Ohio State.....all these QBs have issues, proves they're human like us. I'd take Allen every time over Rosen....won't be unhappy if we take Darnold......Mansfield wouldn't be on my board- maturity. Go Browns!!!!

Just kinda thinking out loud here... and I might get shot, but if you had a quarterback who is "good enough" to be a #1 pick in the NFL draft, shouldn't the offense revolve around him?

Exactly - and even more strange, it isn't like Darnold or Rosen have weak arms. Both have excellent tape throwing deep, and showed off their stuff at their respective pro-day.

Allen is undoubtedly a prototypical quarterback with immense talent, but he's never really put it together on the field. His strength really is just that he has the best combination of arm strength and athleticism. Yet, his tape is basically Brock Osweiler at ASU.

I'd be shocked if the Browns legitimately consider him the top QB.

...Every player is one good thump from quitting football.

Unlike other players who play as a means to get out of their situation, Rosen is playing because he wants to despite other opportunities. I worry much more about other players losing their drive once they get paid.

Could he get injured and stop playing? Yes, but that is true of every player. Having your body smashed by freak athletes on a regular basis takes a toll.

I think we might actually be a good fit for each other as Rosen's biggest problem is pressure up the middle where we have a quality interior OL. His positives of being good at manipulating the pocket and ability to make quick reads can help our less established OTs. His lack of scrambling also might actually make it easier for the OTs as they won't have to worry as much about where he might be.

Josh Allen looks like a long string of 3 and outs waiting to happen to me. Sure, he'll have the occasional amazing looking play, but they'll probably be in garbage time when opponents have marched out their reserves. I think Allen looks a lot like Paxton Lynch coming out. I have higher hopes for Allen developing, but I see a similar starting point.

If Josh Rosen can lead a strike across the NFL then he can lead this team to a Super Bowl imho

[quote=hitt]Mansfield wouldn't be on my board- maturity.


Jayne Mansfield had a notorious weak arm. Also pretty sure her Wonderlic was very low.

The reason John Dorsey won’t draft J. Allen is because he knows the definition of potential and prospect. He can’t take a chance of not taking the safest choice in the draft, and then 2 or 3 years from now being in the same boat they’re in now. Can’t keep passing on QB’s for QB’s with potential. Need to be focusing on the 4th pick now, and no not trading it. Don’t need more picks.

Dorsey already has a starting QB in Tyrod, he will have time to develop a rookie because he doesn't feel the pressure to play him. The pressure to start winning is real and Dorsey knows it. I am starting to think Allen may be the pick because of his potential and the time to develop him.

There is enough crazy upside that I wont be angry if we takeAllen rosen just will be hoping Dorsey is right. Same with Mayfield, I see enough good things that i wont be pulling hair out if we take him but I would take Rudolph, Darnold or Rosen ahead of them. I do believe all have potential to be franchise QBs. Based on everything I have heard, it will be all about the interviews and putting them infront of the board.

Those that are hoping for Baker Mayfield, this is the area where he is supposedly shinning. He has wowed with his football IQ and ability to retain information.

I dont believe we take Rosen, due to his lack of mobility.

If we're talking safest QB pick in the draft, we're talking Mayfield. We can only hope he takes him.

That must’ve been what the Browns Execs saw in D. Anderson, B. Quinn, B. Weeden. Oh yea almost forgot D. Kiser.

Darnold is the best Quarterback in the draft period... Fixed it for ya.

I'm just worried that the strike would give him a concussion.

I rewatched this game and came away impressed with the throws he made. I'd love to see Rosen play behind Darnolds offensive line that game, and see what happens. My guess is he'd be dead.

Mayfield also played well against OSU and people use the two games of Mayfield and Darnold agaist OSU to compare the two QB's. I know I have. But I think I was wrong to do so. USC played OSU at the end of the season and OSU's D-line teed off against Darnold. Oklahoma played OSU in game 2 of the season. And OSU was not the same team it was at the end of the season.

One thing I want to say about the games vs OSU, Mayfield got the ball out quicker than Darnold. He had the better line but he got the ball out superfast and I thought at times Darnold held it a bit to long.

I would take Darnold at 1 but Mayfield man he has a quick release.

I

do not hate that draft scenario. I would not do it myself. I do not see it as a losing 1st round draft. I do not like the idea of "taking a chance on a player" in the 20's in the first round. I expect them to be a starter or very significant contributor in year one.

OSU's secondary was playing much better at the end of the season than it was at the beginning. We were replacing Conley, Lattimore, and Hooker. They looked pretty awful against Oklahoma outside of Ward, but the CBs hadn't seen the field much, so it was somewhat to be expected.

Josh Allen's shoulder injuries deserve more attention

By: Jeff Risdon | 5 hours ago

The debate over Josh Allen as the potential No. 1 overall pick is hitting fever pitch. With a little over two weeks left until the 2018 NFL Draft, many prominent pundits have projected Allen as the Cleveland Browns selection with the first pick. Many other prominent pundits, as well as some of the same who believe he’ll be the No. 1 pick, are openly critical of Allen’s poor accuracy and unrefined mental game.

One issue which seldom sees the light of day in the debate is Allen’s troubling medical history. Specifically, his oft-injured right (throwing) shoulder.

Allen has broken his right collarbone twice, including a devastating shatter fracture in his first year at Wyoming. As chronicled by the Casper Star-Tribune,

Allen's next drive began with an 11-yard run. Incompletion to Gentry. Five-yard run. Incompletion. Twenty-four-yard run. Clavicle broken in seven spots.

Season over.

"(It) was a little bit of a fluke thing, in my opinion," Allen said of the hit he took after his long run. "His helmet just kind of squeezed between my shoulder pads and my helmet.

It wasn't Allen's first broken collarbone. His sophomore year of high school, he missed four weeks with a fracture in his right collarbone. He had been told by a doctor that calcium buildup would prevent another break in the same spot.

Allen also missed Wyoming’s final two regular-season games in 2017 after suffering an injury to the same shoulder in the win over Air Force. That malady was deemed a soft-tissue injury not directly related to the prior fractures or surgeries.

Given his take-no-prisoners style, nicely detailed in the Star-Tribune feature, the three prior shoulder injuries should be a more prominent focus of attention in the debate over Allen and his NFL fate.