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Once thing I look for is did their completion percentage go up each year and did they end at over 60%. So I think it's important to look at their career to see how they improve.

All I know is while posters bring out stats for their QB of choice.

Baker Mayfield pretty much proven amazing time and again!

Anyone find it interesting that the two best statistical QBs come from the same weak conference?

The fact is that depending on which numbers you look at Lamar only ran the scrambled between 23% (from another poster based on Trent Dilfer) or 27% based on profootball focus. (I posted in the other Lamar thread and in the QB film thread).

The rest of Lamar's runs were called run/read-option.
Personally I think Louisville offense was suboptimal because Petrino didn't install Run-Pass Options into his offense.

No NFL offense calls anywhere near as many read-option plays as Louisville did.

I think if we're all honest we can admit that Lamar will not run as much in the NFL as he did in college for the reasons above.

Talking specifically about scrambles and not designed runs: From watching the games, it seemed like Allen was far more apt to bail form a pocket early as compared to Lamar. From my eye Darnold looks to scramble about as often as Lamar.
There is an argument to make about that the quality or lack in their respective OL pass protection was the reason for the scrambles.

We know thatyou believe NFL teams will be wary about Lamar's injury risk. Maybe your assumption on how team think is right and maybe its wrong.

I disagree that Lamar will be considered a higher injury risk then the other QBs nor do I believe that injury risk is based on size (Goff, Watson) or injury (Wentz,Watson) or style (Wentz, Pat Mahomes, Watson) play as big a factor for NFL teams as they do in your mind.

But even factoring in the excellent pass protection, OU's outstanding spread scheme and Big 12 'defenses' Baker's production is still quite impressive to go along with solid film.

Agreed.

I think this is a good topic for discussion....and would be interested in having a real football discussion about it.

Anyone find it interesting that the two best statistical QBs come from the same weak conference?

Just out of curiosity , is there anyone on the Board who thinks Lamar is going to end up on the Browns roster ???

My only real worry with him is if he can handle making decisions faster at the NFL level. His speaking pattern and that very low wonderlic send up a red flag for me. I don't know if any NFL team would though.

I'm not anti Lamar by any means but yes I think scouts will evaluate him and they will look at his thin frame and a red flag will go up for some. They will see he never had 60% accuracy and another red flag will go up. I don't think it will stop him from being a round 1 talent. I just don't think he goes in the top 5 because of those 2 concerns. Again, that is just my opinion though.

Just out of curiosity , is there anyone on the Board who thinks Lamar is going to end up on the Browns roster ???

I don't put a lot of weight on wonderlic scores but to me you have to be pretty lacking to get a score under 20. It's not a disqualifier but it adds a few negative points to the over all score I keep in my head.

I didn't really care that he didn't hire an agent. I don't agree with it but it's an minor thing to me. I mean good business sense doesn't really affect football mentality. It does add up on that flag where I question his intelligence though.

He is a talented kid who will most likely slide a bit due to all those little flags adding up. I think he succeeds if he ends up on a team that already has a starter in place.

I don't know if there is that much to discuss about it and I don't mean any disrespect when I say that. To me it's just always been a golden rule or minimum standard that many NFL teams have looked at especially from the Bill parcells school of thought. It's not the end all of a QB discussion though but it is certainly a qualifier to open the discussion for me though.

Of QBs in the top 5, yes. I literally posted the numbers. And look at this past season.

I’m a Rudolph fan btw (thx to Razor) but the draft gurus don’t have him in the top 5.

I like Lamar but the numbers you posted aren't a far comparison because of the number of games he was in... he's a good passer... but if you look st his numbers for the last year he falls at the bottom of the top five...which is likely where he'll Ben drafted... I'd love to see him make it but I would be nervous drafting him in top half of first round

I predict Jackson does indeed become a brown ... the same way Pryor became one ...

I predict Jackson does indeed become a brown ... the same way Pryor became one ...

I DO NOT WANT JACKSON AS OUR FUTURE QB ... JMHO

Same. Hue and Hailey are complete morons who would not be able to tailor an offense to his skillset. However, the idea of taking Saquon and Lamar has to be appealing.

Yes ... that would be NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to defend .... ...

Its real hard to defend one dimensional teams ... almost IMPOSSIBLE .... ...

We have their #4 overall pick because their QB couldn't stay healthy. I didn't want Watson because his style is watching the playoffs in a brace.

I love Lamar, the kid is special but his style of play means watching from the sideline wearing a brace.

Need to teach him to be a QB and I don't think NFL coaches are willing to do that. He can have instant success but will become a long term failed project unless he is developed as a true QB.

It's not the system, it's his mindset of readying his feet to run instead of pass. Get this kid out there and just work on him becoming a pure passer that can run when things break down.

Running is a great strength but become a great passer that can run instead of a running QB.

Lower body mechanics is everywhere. No consistency....

There goes that smell again...Got to make sure I wear rubber boots around ya so I can just hose them down...smh

When I watch Lamar Jackson on film I think about the Houston Texans last season. You look at what Bill O’Brien did with Deshaun Watson and I wonder, why couldn’t Jackson execute that offensive system effectively?

In studying Jackson’s tape from 2016 and 2017, you see a quarterback who can operate effectively within framework of a structured passing game. Louisville’s offense had NFL passing game concepts, and that’s a plus for Jackson. There’s also a spectacular dimension to Jackson’s game that shows up with both designed runs and second-reaction throws and runs.
Jackson will be polarizing in draft rooms. Teams will have to weigh Jackson’s second-reaction playmaking, which is outstanding, and his pocket efficiency, an area in which work is needed. Though, Jackson has shown the ability to operate in an NFL-style offense. The big question will become: What can and can’t be coached with Jackson, and what’s simply in his playing DNA when it comes to pocket stability?

Jackson has some good pocket skills. Part of that is the college experience he had.

Louisville ran an offense with a lot of NFL concepts: mesh routes, sit routes, wheel routes and flat routes. You’d see two-man route concepts to the boundary, or short side of the field (like slant/flat combinations), and three-man route concepts to the field, or wide side. You’d see dagger and high-low concepts with other options built in, like posts, outs and flat routes. You see all of those things in NFL offenses. You’ll hear a lot about the work Jackson needs as he enters the NFL, and some of that will be fair, but what must also be mentioned is that Jackson ran an offense with a lot of passing-game concepts you see on Sundays — and he was highly productive doing so.

It’s important for an NFL quarterback to show timing and anticipation, and you saw that at times from Jackson. When the throw was defined within the initial timing of the drop, Jackson looked very comfortable as a passer.

While Jackson’s ability in the pocket has been debated, he isn’t entirely raw. He had a good feel for the pass-game concepts in Louisville’s offense, including progression reading. He flashed ability to move in the pocket and then reset with his eyes staying focused downfield. He is very good at making tight-window throws between the hashes (he’s more advanced at that than throwing outside the numbers, which is where some accuracy issues show up) against zone coverage, throwing into voids in the coverage and leading his receivers.