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It will be interesting to see where Jackson winds up going. I suspect it might be late 1st to early 2nd (maybe 25-40 range) ..... but what do I know? 
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I think he will go mid 1st - AZ or BAL.
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It will be interesting to see where he goes.
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Not trying to convince you or blow my own horn.
I wrote about Jackson in November and went into detail.
I fall back on a documented past when breaking down quarterbacks. Going back over 50 years.
As it relates to this Board and the one that used to be on the official site for a long time.
Been right way more than wrong.
People fall into the trap of what they did in college and not how they actually project into the NFL.
Sometimes it is basic you just see the how and why. ...can we see this documentation? I'm not saying that your "record" isn't good. I'm just curious to see where you missed, and try to figure out why/if there is a pattern. Here's a gratuitous horn blowing because the phrase amuses me: 
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Very rare do guys increase their percentage 10 points from college to NFL...
My understanding is that the general rule-of-thumb is that they drop 10% when they hit the NFL...
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Look in archives as far back as it goes and follow the QB threads during draft season.
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I think he will go mid 1st - AZ or BAL. I really hope he goes to the Jags.
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NFL Media's Tom Pelissero interviewed one anonymous Offensive Cooradintor who said Louisville's Lamar Jackson "will not be able to play (quarterback) in this league, mark my words."
"When he throws, he hopes," the coordinator concluded. Pelissero's piece is outstanding, and you should check it out. Jackson checks in as the fifth quarterback. "They had a progression-based offense. You can see it. But then, when you talk to him, he can't verbalize it for you," a quarterback coach added, anonymously.
Source: NFL.com
http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/cfb/college-football/?ls=roto:cfb:morenewsbottom
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Just for the sake of veracity because rotoworld often truncates and/or is very loose when they relay their quotes. More and more, it sounds like Jackson will be one of the 32 players drafted in Round 1 on Thursday night -- at his normal position. "Does he end up making the move [to receiver] someday? Maybe he does," an AFC executive said. "But there's enough throwing ability that I think a team is going to draft the guy as a quarterback." Jackson has plenty of arm strength and a quick release. He'll make some incredible passes. But inconsistent accuracy remains a central concern for those who still aren't buying in. "He's an awesome athlete. He will not be able to play (quarterback) in this league, mark my words," an offensive coordinator said. "When he throws, he hopes." As another OC pointed out, the challenge for whatever team lands Jackson will be striking the right balance for a rare runner whose 6-2, 200-pound frame isn't one you want to expose to 30-some hits a game. I wrote before the combine that scouts saw a lot of one-read-and-go in Jackson's game on tape, and the word out of the school was that Jackson was a little further away than some other QBs in terms of Xs and Os, so teams were certain to challenge him (like Darnold and Mason Rudolph, among others) on the board during interviews. NFL teams always want to figure out how much football a guy knows before anointing him at the most important position. "Lamar's got good aptitude. He just wasn't given that responsibility," said the second OC, who has spent time with Jackson. "There's a difference between a guy who can't do it and a guy who never was asked to do it, but can learn. He can learn." Said a quarterbacks coach who met with Jackson: "They had a progression-based offense. You can see it. But then, when you talk to him, he can't verbalize it for you. If you've got him really honed in on a game plan, I think he'd be able to do whatever you need to do. He has experience with real route concepts and making reads. You see him make good decisions. He throws the ball fine. I think accuracy is more of an issue for Josh Allen than it is for Lamar. He's a freak. He's the best athlete on the field every game he plays."
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I thinks it's not out of the question for Mayfield to fall and Jackson gets taken before him.
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LOL - Mayfield will be gone by Pick #5. I do not think Jackson will be gone by then.
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Lamar Jackson's value among top questions ahead of NFL draft http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ad-of-nfl-draftMichael Vick tried to tell us. It was nearly two years ago that Vick first said Lamar Jackson was five times better than Vick was at Virginia Tech, a take so hot that it was too easily dismissed by a nation of fans and writers that can't imagine anyone quite like young Vick. At least not until now. Vick called Jackson his "spitting image" in a terrific episode of Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks' "Move The Sticks" podcast, a reminder that the most obvious player comparison is sometimes the right one. Jackson's frame may be thinner than Vick's, but it's easy to argue Jackson showed more toughness as a runner and more skills as a pocket passer than Vick did in school. That's one of the many reasons why Jackson's casual relegation to the second tier of quarterback prospects behind the "Big Four" never added up. It sounded like predictable groupthink before one of the most unpredictable days on the NFL calendar. Jackson's status is just one of the big draft questions out there, with the fun finally about to start ... Have we all been wrong about Lamar Jackson? Underrating Jackson is the type of mistake draft analysts make again and again. Just last year, conventional pre-draft wisdom didn't have Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes being selected within the first 24 picks. Not only did both get drafted much earlier (Mahomes at No. 10 overall by the Chiefs and Watson at No. 12 by the Texans) -- they inspired teams to make franchise-altering trades to move up for them. Or consider 2011, when there was debate before the draft as to whether Christian Ponder and Jake Locker would go in the first round. They both went in the top 12. Watson's draft experience and rookie success are both instructive. After finishing second in the Heisman Trophy voting to Jackson in 2016, Watson was another college superstar who was nitpicked during the pre-draft process by analysts getting hung up on short-sighted reasons to think his transition to the NFL wouldn't work. Except teams like the Texans didn't see him that way at all. They smartly focused on Watson's positive traits and how those traits could fit into the changing dynamics of an increasingly shotgun-heavy, spread-loving league that rewards players who can create in space. Watson rewarded them with a stellar first half, putting himself in the Offensive Rookie of the Year discussion before suffering a torn ACL in November. Not only did Jackson run a "pro-style" offense at Louisville, but the NFL is better built to take advantage of his skills than the Falcons were with Vick back in 2001. Teams like the Eagles with Carson Wentz, the Chiefs with Mahomes and the Rams with Jared Goff have shown what can happen when college concepts are integrated with the pro game, meeting QBs halfway. Former Cardinals coach Bruce Arians gave a window into how some coaches view Jackson's potential, joking to the Arizona Republic that he'd come out of retirement to coach Jackson. The vision and elusiveness Jackson shows as a runner is breathtaking, but Arians emphasized that Jackson's not that raw as a passer. While his accuracy needs work, Jackson has already proven he can spin it down the field. Jackson completed multiple gems each game, often with a very Vick-like flick of the wrist. A coach like Arians knows how maddening it would be to defend Jackson, the rare athlete at the highest levels of college football who routinely made his opponents look like weekend-warrior chumps. Critics contend he will have to adjust to the speed of NFL defenses, but NFL defenses will have to adjust to Jackson, because they haven't seen him before. It's not hyperbole to say his ceiling would be for him to join or surpass Vick as one of the great running quarterbacks of all time. NFL players get drafted more on potential than production -- just look at Josh Allen's stock -- but Jackson should rank near the top in both categories among quarterbacks. His ceiling is through the roof, and his otherworldly athleticism arguably makes him a safer pick than his competitors, because it's so easy to see how it would translate at the next level. He'd benefit from learning from a veteran quarterback with a creative head coach, like Mahomes did last year under Alex Smith and Andy Reid in Kansas City, but that's true for any quarterback. So many mock drafts still assume the NFL remains a risk-averse league, with many burying Jackson late in the first round or kicking him out of the round entirely. But the Texans, Chiefs and Eagles all made bold trades for athletic and supposedly raw quarterbacks over the last two years, with delicious results. The NFL is a better, more entertaining league when there is room for different playing styles and teams that are willing to embrace them. Some team is going to embrace Jackson on Thursday night, and it will be as if all this pre-draft nonsense never happened at all.
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Fun fact: Lamar Jackson had THE HIGHEST Adjusted Conversion Rate on 3rd and 5+ among Draft-eligible QBs in 2017.
Lamar Jackson: 52.2% (!)
Mason Rudolph: 48.8%
Baker Mayfield: 45.8%
Josh Rosen: 40.0%
Sam Darnold: 37.2%
Josh Allen: 35.9% Ben Solak NDT Scouting https://www.ndtscouting.com/solak-now-available-the-2018-contextualized-quarterbacking/Even if you remove the rushing conversion he's still first btw... @BenjaminSolak
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From a pure passing perspective, Lamar was (still) first at 46.6%
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Phew! you finally found a stat he led in.
Lamar Jackson highest % with lefted handed DTs rushing against him forcing out of the pocket and reversing the field twice.
Alright already lets draft this kid.
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Phew! you finally found a stat he led in.
Lamar Jackson highest % with lefted handed DTs rushing against him forcing out of the pocket and reversing the field twice.
Alright already lets draft this kid.
lol, kudos another solid post from you! Your reactions to information on Lamar and this QB draft class has left you exposed.
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Phew! you finally found a stat he led in.
Lamar Jackson highest % with lefted handed DTs rushing against him forcing out of the pocket and reversing the field twice.
Alright already lets draft this kid.
lol, kudos another solid post from you! Your reactions to information on Lamar and this QB draft class has left you exposed. I thought it rather humorous, ed... . How come the title of this thread got changed? I don't like what it implies... 
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Tabber exposed himself ..... tabber has exposed himself over many many years to those of us that have been around for longer than RG3’s reign of cruddy QB play here ... He’s EXPOSED HIMSELF as one of the best football minds on this board and a very very good QB evaluator whom I for one trust .... hes one of two or three posters whose opinions I truely value when it comes to qb’s .... tabber has EXPOSED HIMSELF over a number of years as someone who has a TON OF CRED .... Just because tabber doesn’t want to discuss QB’s the way u do doesnt make his evals any less credible .... all it actually does is expose u as a control freak that wants to dictate how a discussion should go ... Tabber sees accuracy as a function of what his eyes tell him when watching film ... u watch the film and then use stats to show why Jackson is accurate enough .... its like u use the stats to manipulate the tape to the outcome u wanted ... theres no way in hell u can convince me that jackson is near as accurate as any of the top 3 ... the stats may say they are but the tape DON’T LIE ... U and tabber see things differently ... ITS OK ... I wish u would BOTH LET THIS GO .... u both bring a lot to the board .... its time to get over this peeing match and QUIT EXPOSING yourselves to us ... 
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.... u both bring a lot to the board ....
I assume you were replying to ed, not me. I have the highest respect for both of them. Actually you as well if you could ever get your spelling correct... 
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I'm really excited to see where Lamar Jackson goes. Fascinating prospect. Probably the most polarizing prospect I've seen in some years.
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Ooops .... sorry bout that bro (that wasn’t a mis spell, it was slang ... ... ) I respect them both a lot also ... just sick of this little war they got going on ...
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Ed you are amazing, I hope I exposed the fact I got a sense of humor. If its what I think you are implying its a truly cowardly post by you.
Look its like the 2,000th post on Lamar Jackson, probably the 5th QB taken in this draft and no relevance with the Browns. The fact you think he is the best QB in this draft actually exposes your football credentials. Diam no peeing match, I left that part a long time ago. The guy thinks he owns the board.
I've complimented Lamar as a football player here and there. I've even Liked several posts that you made that were good football posts. You've exposed nothing. I thought it comical because its the first STAT you put up that didn't have Mayfield on top...and Lamar around #3 but ahead of Allen who is probably on the bottom of every stat you give us...but please elaborate on this major exposure you have concocted in your head.
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Thats not letting it go bro .... i hate to tell u this my friend ... but ... and think about this for a minute ... your bedside manner is now worse than mine ... ... We all love your football ... please get back to it and let this crap go ... NO ONE CARES about this crap ... Were getting close bro ... we should know who our QB is in 12 hours ..... wooooohoooooo ... I CANT WAIT .. im excited and scared all at the same time ...
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Worse than yours...lol  no way. Hey I get attacked a lot, you deal with that stuff way better than me. Ya think I should just let them insult me? Ok I'll try, but don't know how long that would last.
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No ... just dont lay down ... reply in kind or however u Ike once or twice ... make your points and/or get in your shots ... once or twice ... then leave it be ... Thats my theory anyhow ...  Anyhow ... i think your going to be an EXTREMELY HAPPY DAWG tonight .... I really think it’s going to be Baker ....
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I watched a couple of games again last night. Jackson reminds me a lot of RG3, as long as his legs are healthy he will be a serious weapon. Inside the pocket, his mechanics aren’t good, mostly his footwork and it leads to a lot of inaccurate balls. In particular the short to medium routes, which is like 80% of routes in the NFL. Oddly enough his deep balls were pretty accurate, which is possibly an anomaly, hard to explain the discrepancy.
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As long as it makes the Browns Great that is all I want, It would be history, shortest QB since Vick to be drafted will this mark the end of the height bias. Always thought Flutie got robbed of a great career. He was 5'9". Then you got the Brees thing and Rodgers drop. Hope its Mayfield or Darnold I feel secure with both QBs.
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I thought it rather humorous, ed... . How come the title of this thread got changed? I don't like what it implies... It is a little funny. But how would this forum function if everyone dismissed information they don't like at whim? It would be hella funny but not much in way of conversation though. It would get old quick and that's been the mo in this thread when actual stats or information get posted that disagree with popular opinion. Praise for stats where Baker leads, 'not real football' or outright dismal of stats that where Lamar leads. You would think stats on the QBs 3rd down conversion % would make for good football conversation. So yeah...its a little funny to dismal stats at whim.... Through this thread and in exchanges over Lamar eotab has proven to be hypocritical, personal, overly sensitive and needlessly adversarial....all for what? All in response to merely attempting to have an adult conversation about a draft prospect. btw I didn't change the thread title. I changed the title of that specific post. Subsequent replies to the topic in that post will have that title but you or anyone else can change the title of the post or respond to a post with a different title.
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I'm really excited to see where Lamar Jackson goes. Fascinating prospect. Probably the most polarizing prospect I've seen in some years. It's gonna be interesting on many fronts. The pre-draft agencies (CAA, Athlete's First etc) will be rooting against Lamar Jackson because they make they're money based on the ability to get a draft prospects drafted higher through various aspect of pre-draft prep and Lamar didn't do any of it. Lamar's draft status also calls into question the draft media community...which often times becomes an echo chamber of group think. Based on some draft media reports Lamar started off as a lol, WR and mid-late round prospect. But the draft itself will be the ultimate draft correction. iirc Waltersfootball had Watson rated as 3rd round pick... I wish all the draft prospect success, Lamar and Rosen especially...imho both got a raw deal by draft media narratives.
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so? your boy dropped too.
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Hmmmmm............still available. ....3 years Welcome back. He'll probably go to Pittsburgh and haunt us for the next decade.
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I want the Patriots to take Lamar Jackson because I like him.
I don't want the Patriots to take Lamar Jackson because I don't want them to continue to be good for the next 15 years.
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AT least RGIII 1.0 can teach RGIII 2.0 I kid Lamar, good for him to get picked in the 1st rd. I hope he bust out know that he plays for the Ravens. Go Baker.
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i'm torn.
its like....i hope he turns into an elite QB....but that means he'll be ripping us a new one twice a year.
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Hope he becomes a STUD on his 2nd contract witch he signs with an nfc team ... Problem Solved .....
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i'm torn.
its like....i hope he turns into an elite QB....but that means he'll be ripping us a new one twice a year. Leggo of yo ego and root for him to bust.
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