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Because to go to Mexico and get a gun and bring it back requires you to cross the border, deal with very unsavory cartel type folks, and spend a fair amount of money.. just a few more barriers to make it harder for criminals to get guns.. to get a gun in Indiana and take it to Illinois requires 2 or 3 gallons of gas and a free afternoon.

Y'all keep shooting everything down because it's not perfect... when all folks are looking for is "better"...

Federally licensed gun sellers are required to run background checks.

But private sellers without a federal license don’t have to meet the same requirement. Though this exception is often referred to as the "gun show loophole," it actually applies more broadly to unlicensed individuals, whether they are selling at a gun show or somewhere else. (Some states have implemented their own background check requirement beyond federal law.)

ok, so if gun control works in ny why do we need more laws? its working the way it is. [/quote]

Tell that to the kids who keep getting shot. [/quote]ahh, so you just admitted gun control does not work...hmmmm, weird. [/quote]

What is wrong with you? Of course the gun control we have in place isn't working. I've said all along what we're doing isn't freaking working.

What is wrong with you? Are you this obtuse on purpose?

I'm trying to come up with a better plan. Why is that so wrong to you? If the current plan isn't working, why is it so wrong to come up with a better plan????

Before you make any other comment, before you say anything else, I want to know from you why it is so wrong to try and come up with a better plan that what we're currently doing. And I don't want to hear about how you don't like my plan. That's irrelevant. I want to know why you're so against any other plan???

I'd rather help support our economy and local farmers.

No, he is looking for a complete ban on guns that will end all gun violence, he has stated that.

and once again, it is rather easy to build a firearm, and redneck ingenuity is quite more advanced as you would think

Guys on this board can make a bong out a toilet paper roll, an apple, and tin foil, yall don't think a gun cant be made with some light equipment?

I've got glasses on, not think brimmed. So you kinda got that part right. And I'm wearing a Browns hoodie, because it's 51 degrees out. Where do you live that it's 70? and I wear boot leg jeans because I like them better.

I'm not a tough guy. I don't pretend to be one. But I will call you out for hunting because I think it's a dumb activity to be proud of. I killed a bunch of ants when I was a kid too. That's about the same thing really. Yay me.

I think the waffles at the Waffle House are overrated.

just sayin'

Why is he wearing two sets of glasses?

I have said in the past that I'd love a ban. But you keep ignoring the fact that I'm trying to compromise and come up with a plan that works for everyone. Which is why I've suggested my other plan to destroy the guns of those who are convicted of crimes, on top of buy-back programs.

But you ignore that.

I am still waiting to hear from you why it's so terrible to try and come up with a gun control plan that works vs what we are currently doing that doesn't work.

Still waiting.

You don't need to go to Mexico they bring guns over the border illegally. The person planning to do evil is one of the very unsavory type folks and they steal the money so the cost isn't an issue.

I agree. But when you haven't had one for a while, they start to sound good again right?

Tell that to the kids who keep getting shot. [/quote]ahh, so you just admitted gun control does not work...hmmmm, weird. [/quote]

What is wrong with you? Of course the gun control we have in place isn't working. I've said all along what we're doing isn't freaking working.

What is wrong with you? Are you this obtuse on purpose?

I'm trying to come up with a better plan. Why is that so wrong to you? If the current plan isn't working, why is it so wrong to come up with a better plan????

Before you make any other comment, before you say anything else, I want to know from you why it is so wrong to try and come up with a better plan that what we're currently doing. And I don't want to hear about how you don't like my plan. That's irrelevant. I want to know why you're so against any other plan??? [/quote]Ahhh more elitism coming though. "what's wrong with me?" Its a sad day in America when wanting to protect the rights of the constitution and my fellow Americans is considered wrong by some. What is wrong with you? Are you so afraid of your own shadow you cant make a single decision and have to have the government do it for you? Are so ill equipped to deal with life that you need to crawl into a hole with a safety pin and hope that Bernie will make it all better cause "the big bad NRA" has a TV ad?

I truly feel sorry for you.

I should also add that I'm a regular coffee kind of guy. He doesn't have me pegged in any way shape or form. I'm a normal geeky guy. I love football, but I'm in IT so I'm a geek. Definitely not a hipster. I'm 37 and find their style odd. But to each their own with style. I'm more of hoodie and jeans guy. In high school I wore Ozzy and GNR tshirts.

Just because it's a dumb activity to you doesn't mean it's dumb though. I am really into sports cars for instance. A sports car has less use than a gun, because at least a gun can be used to kill an animal for a food. A sports car exists to look cool and drive fast. And I've had people see my cars like the GTO or Viper over the years and go "that's dumb." And that's fine. Not everyone gets it.

But part of the great thing in this country is freedom, and getting to do things we want, even if it's "dumb."

Are you buff?

ahh, so you just admitted gun control does not work...hmmmm, weird. [/quote]

What is wrong with you? Of course the gun control we have in place isn't working. I've said all along what we're doing isn't freaking working.

What is wrong with you? Are you this obtuse on purpose?

I'm trying to come up with a better plan. Why is that so wrong to you? If the current plan isn't working, why is it so wrong to come up with a better plan????

Before you make any other comment, before you say anything else, I want to know from you why it is so wrong to try and come up with a better plan that what we're currently doing. And I don't want to hear about how you don't like my plan. That's irrelevant. I want to know why you're so against any other plan??? [/quote]Ahhh more elitism coming though. "what's wrong with me?" Its a sad day in America when wanting to protect the rights of the constitution and my fellow Americans is considered wrong by some. What is wrong with you? Are you so afraid of your own shadow you cant make a single decision and have to have the government do it for you? Are so ill equipped to deal with life that you need to crawl into a hole with a safety pin and hope that Bernie will make it all better cause "the big bad NRA" has a TV ad?

I truly feel sorry for you. [/quote]




NO NO NO. You don't get off that easy trying to all me an elitist again. You have stated sarcastically that we've proven that gun control is working, so why should we make more laws.

When we all know gun control is NOT working. It doesn't work. You have said yourself that all the laws we have in place don't work as it is because the criminals don't care about them.

So what is wrong with trying to come up with something better? You don't see to want to try at all. And I'm not talking about my plan specifically. It's ok if you don't like it. I'm asking you why you don't even want to try and come up with anything at all?

And the best you can do is to say I'm being elitist. When all I did was ask you a simple question of why you didn't even want to try.

Why not man? Why not try to fix our gun problem.

Or do you seriously think we don't have a gun problem?

Do you really think what we're doing is working?

Also, do I really need to go to Mexico? the left wants open boarders and to allow millions of illegals amnesty.

You really think its going to be THAT hard to get guns in from there? Mexico and the cartels THRIVE on drugs, because they heavily outlawed here in the US and banned, right?

Do you not think they wont THRIVE on smuggling weapons if we banned them?

I'm not arguing for him, sorry if I implied that.. these are my own opinions.. I'm not out to ban all guns, just make things better.


A gun reliable enough, accurate enough, and with enough capacity to kill a dozen or so people in a matter of a couple minutes? Maybe they can build something like that but I bet most of them can't. And even if they can, yet another obstacle they would have to overcome.. In case you haven't figured it out, you can keep telling me how folks might be able to get around stiffer regulations, but I'm going to keep stressing the fact that making them get around them is the point.. making them get over hurdles, jump through hoops, spend their own time and money, etc to get around the laws is the point.

I KNOW some folks are inclined to break the law and go to extraordinary means to do it.. so if it makes it easier, you can stop telling me that. But the harder and more expensive we can make it for a criminal to obtain a gun, the better it is...

At least you admit you were wrong. Thanks

I did say though that I thought it was dumb, and I know that just because that's my opinion doesn't make it fact.

I love cars too man. What kind of GTO do you have? I'd love to have a '68 or '69, but I'd settle for an '04-'06.

Car shows are my summer activity of choice. Got an '86 442

Nooooo, you guys said gun control is not working - then two post later said gun control is working the way it is. I really think you guys need to get on the same rally cry here. I mean if your calling for ending a constitutional right, you guys should at least have some facts right before you try to come at it. Just sayin.

maybe ya'll can send each other a PM and get your points together about what "hurts you the most" now.

LOL. Nope.

Like we did with heroin right? banning that made it soooo expensive and hard to obtain.

And you do realize this is the pure epitome of elitism right? You calling something you dislike dumb and nothing to be proud of, because its not YOUR cup of tea. LOL

Dude you hate so much and don't even know it. I don't hunt actually, was never in my wheelhouse, I don't like the cold. However, I would not demean an activity that puts food on people tables, provides for the homeless, and is also helps control the population of animals that assist in the protection of the ecosystem (aint you guys all about that). But by all means, carry on with your elitism and hate. **mic drop**

Ahh ok, so you think gun control is working then.

I don't. It's definitely not working. I think that's pretty sick and twisted to say that you think kids getting shot in school, or people getting shot in movie theaters and concerts is a sign that gun control is working.

Or when a guy kills people at a Waffle House because he got guns back that he shouldn't have.

Gun control isn't working. And you don't want to do anything about it.

Prove me wrong. Try. I really want you to prove me wrong that you don't want to do anything to fix what isn't working.

Please! I'm begging you to try to come up with a better idea to fix what isn't working with gun control. Just try. It doesn't have to be perfect. We're just spit-balling here. Suggest something in place of what we're currently doing.

It's not a gun problem it's a person behind the gun problem.


If it were a GUN problem with over 350,000.000 in the USA millions would be killed every day. It's a person problem try fixing broken homes, end bullying ostracizing, helping lower income areas get decent jobs, two parent families, taking responsibility for your children teach them rather than expecting schools to do it all.

I'm not allowed to have opinions on hunting? I never said it was a fact. I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to have an opinion and that doesn't make it elitist.

And how does hunting help the homeless? Only thing it does actually do is help reduce over-population of the animals.

Hunters support the economy as much as you, and even more, actually.

But, the reality is, you said

"Be a real man and hunt with a bow. Or how about a spear. I've never understood hunting. You wait all day and pull the trigger from hundreds of feet away. It's so one-sided. It's not even anything to be proud of. You shot something that didn't even know you were there. Big tough guy. Try killing it with your bare hands and then I'll show you some respect"

It's easy to go to the store, isn't it? You don't see the death. You don't see the animals living conditions prior to death. You simply walk in, buy, and walk out. Yet, you're calling out hunters?

So the UK, Japan, Norway, and Australia don't have people problems?

What makes us so different that we're the only ones with people problems where we shoot up schools?

Yeah it's a people problem... lmao

as vambo pointed out, its not a gun problem. when a gun kills someone by itself, I will call for a ban on guns. deal?

I'm giving my opinion on hunting. That's what I think of it. Waiting around for a deer to walk into your your sights from your bluff. I don't see why it's anything to be proud of. That's my opinion. But yeah, go ahead and keep trying to distract from the fact that none of you want to try and come up with an idea to fix our gun control problems in this country.

Let's talk about what 442 thinks about hunting rather than people dying. Good call.

So why aren't there this many school shootings, or shootings in general in other countries?

You're flat out wrong

Come up with a plan man. Anything. Don't be afraid to come up with something. You don't even need to raise your hand.

Ill let you read your comment and think about an answer for a minute, im sure you don't even realize you answered it for yourself......

LOL.. nice mic drop.

It's odd because he didn't say it was dumb, he actually said it's a dumb activity to be proud of... which is an odd choice of words.

I play golf, a lot of folks think that's dumb and a boring waste of money and time.. whatever.

I've hunted in the past but only a few times, it's not my cup of tea either but I'm not opposed to it. I differentiate hunting though.. there is hunting for sport, hunting for food, etc.. I have no problem with any of them as long as it is done in accordance with the law and if the animal is edible that it be used.. and I know most hunters try to do that.

The only thing I will say I'm not a big fan of is the big game hunting.. especially the ones where the animals are basically on a reserve just to be hunted.. seems like shooting fish in a barrel to me, not much of a sport. Just something to drive the ego to bring down a big beautiful animal for no apparent reason.

I've already told you what I think about your 'plan'.

Your goal is elimination of guns, completely. You offer no compromise. First step is 'if you're sentenced to jail time for anything, take the guns, cut them up."

Step 2 is?



Hey, I have an idea. Let's ban heroin. That'll take care of the problem, right? Confiscate it all. Oh...wait.

So are you saying we should make heroin legal then?

If it's a people problem, why aren't there as many mass shootings in other countries?

psst, it's because it's a gun problem.

I just don't think how putting food on your table for your family is a dumb activity. How providing food to homeless shelters is a dumb activity. How control population outburst of animals, that can cause havoc on our environment a dumb activity. I would be darn proud to do any of that. And I am darn proud of the people that I know that do.

cant comprehend still huh? Ill give you a hint.