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About as much as they've given up. Nothing.

They now have their nukes and have tested their missiles.



You really need to consider who you are responding to. I never said we gave up anything. I also don't believe to this point they really gave up anything either. Once you've achieved your stated goals you're pretty much done.



There's your problem. You lump everyone in together like we've all said the same thing. Not all of us have.

Obviously, they are trying to sell the Great Wall to Trump.

We haven't even sat down at a negotiation table.

This is like arguing that the 2018 Cleveland Browns defense is great because "HOW MANY POINTS EXACTLY HAVE THEY GIVEN UP?"



The guy who got tricked into believing that Trump was "one hell of a negotiator" with "GREAT business acumen" is here to talk about delusions surrounding Donald Trump.



I love how Diam is parroting the exact same line that Trump embarrassed himself with yesterday morning and had to immediately walk back, and then presenting that argument as being on some higher plane of thinking.

Photos of Mike Pompeo meeting with Kim Jong Un released

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/04/26/photos-mike-pompeo-meeting-with-kim-jong-un-released.html

In a February 2016 thread entitled "Obama's Biggest Foreign Policy Mistake?", you listed "willingness to shame the country by having discussions with an insane dictator like Kim" as his biggest mistake.

Nice pic ....

Pompeo looks like he's instantly regretting taking the job.

Moral crisis of meeting the people you've been trying to kill.

I hope talks don't collapse like NK's nuclear testing facility did.

L'il Kim is meeting with Moon from South Korea right now... pretty epic stuff if some kind of peace can come from all of this..

...or the solvency of a Trump-run casino.

This is the best thing I've seen this week.

That includes mapping billions of stars, GAI2, saw a big star in Cleveland this week

Korean leaders take historic steps toward possible accord

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018...cord/556601002/





SEOUL — History was made with a few small steps Friday morning as North Korean leader Kim Jong Un walked across the heavily armed border that separates the Korean Peninsula and greeted South Korean President Moon Jae-in.

The two leaders were all smiles as they shook hands and exchanged words in a scene many could not have imagined just a few months ago. After a tense 2017 filled with ballistic missile launches and North Korea’s sixth nuclear test, both sides have made huge strides toward diplomacy in 2018, leading up to Friday's summit, just the third time leaders of the two Koreas have met.

When Kim then stepped across the border to the South, he became the first North Korean leader to set foot on South Korean soil since the Korean War ceased in 1953. Both sides are still technically at war, as an armistice was signed that stopped the fighting but not a peace treaty.

During their greeting at the border, Kim appeared to go off-script and invited Moon to first briefly cross into North Korean territory, which the South Korean president accepted with a broad smile.

After their greeting, the leaders walked down a red carpet together, escorted by an honor guard in traditional Korean attire. Moon and Kim were greeted by two children, who offered flowers to Kim. The children are students at an elementary school in Taesung Village, the only inhabited town within the demilitarized zone (DZ).

The leaders made their way to a reviewing stand to inspect a South Korean military honor guard, a diplomatic protocol often used on state visits. Moon later introduced his delegates for the summit to Kim, who then introduced his team of eight delegates to Moon, including his sister, Kim Yo-jong, Kim Yong-nam, the North’s nominal head of state, and Kim Yong-chol, previously the head of the North’s military intelligence agency.

In another apparently impromptu moment, Kim suggested the teams gather for a group photo. Afterwards, the leaders made their way to the Peace House, the building on the South side of Panmunjom border village, where the talks will be held.

Inside the venue, Kim signed a guestbook with a message: "New history starts from now, at the historic starting point of an era of peace."

The two leaders made some opening remarks before the two sides began closed-door talks in the first round of their discussion.

Kim noted that it had been 11 years since the last summit, and said: “Walking here, I wondered why it took so long.” The North Korean leader added that he wanted to hold “frank and sincere” discussions with Moon and hoped for a “good outcome.”

“Panmunjom has become a symbol of peace instead of a symbol of division," the moment Kim crossed the border, Moon said. He thanked the North Korean leader for his “courage” in agreeing to the summit, saying: “You have made today’s moment possible.”

The agenda for the summit consists of three topics: denuclearization, establishing permanent peace on the Korean Peninsula and improving inter-Korean relations.

It is that first agenda item, denuclearization, that is casting the biggest remaining question mark over the carefully choreographed event. It is unclear how exactly each side defines denuclearization and it remains to be seen what sort of agreement and roadmap will emerge out of the talks.

North Korea’s nuclear and missile tests last year likely put it on the threshold of becoming a legitimate nuclear power. North Korea claims it has already risen to that level.

Kim’s news agency said that the leader would “open-heartedly” discuss with Moon “all the issues arising in improving inter-Korean relations and achieving peace, prosperity and reunification of the Korean Peninsula” in a “historic” summit.

The greeting of the two leaders was planned to the last detail. Thousands of journalists were kept in a huge conference center well away from the summit, except for a small group of tightly controlled pool reporters at the border.

Following the first session of talks, Kim will cross back to the North for a brief recess and lunch before returning for more ceremonial events, further talks and a formal dinner.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

This is all fluff.

NK is not doing this to compromise anything.

It's too bad so many Americans are TV educated, history illiterates.

Reminds me of Hitler's "Non-aggression" pacts.

"PLEASE, JUST GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!"

You might be right, Rocky. You know what they say, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true."

We've been here before, but I think this time around North Korea may have some more incentive.

There's the new precedent of the Iran deal, and while I was in favor of that, the U.S. and Obama didn't seem particularly concerned with human rights, which would be the big stumbling block here.

The next big step will be concessions in regards to sanctions. We just have to hope that Trump more or less stays out of it. But, I agree, it's hard to see Kim care all that much about the sanctions seeing as a) they don't affect him and b) he doesn't seem too concerned with the well-being of his citizens.

If Trump can scare NK & SK to come together and agree to peace then so be it. I'll give credit where credit is due. But it's really up to NK and SK to do it.

As far as NK giving up their nuclear weapons program and allowing UN inspectors in...I highly doubt that's going to happen any time soon.

Korean leaders plan an end to war and 'complete denuclearization'

-The joint statement Friday, from the border truce village of Panmunjom, concluded a historic one-day bilateral summit aimed at achieving peace between the two adversarial nations for the first time in more than sixty years.
-The meeting of the Korean leaders was the first in more than a decade.
-South Korean President Moon Jae-In and his North Korean counterpart Kim Jong Un seek to establish a "permanent" and "solid" peace on the Peninsula.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/27/korean-l...isk-of-war.html

It's going to come down to concessions, which could be enticing given how much of a stranglehold they've been put under, but, yeah, it's probably unlikely.

They've always been open for communication and a peaceful response. Trump is the only one who may give them one. It's unfortunate that he is so far up Republican's arses or else we could possibly see a similar resolution with Cuba.

It depends.

I think with Trump in there, he's likely to give up more and certainly doesn't care about the human rights aspect at all. He has no ideology and is only looking for a headline, which makes things easier.

He's also incredibly unstable, and his only coherent ideology is to oppose what Obama did, so he may get fussy when any potential agreement is compared to the Iran deal.

Also, if he pulls out of the Iran deal, it would throw a wrench into everything.

I think if Kim is up to something it would be to buy time for himself until the United States elects another weak leader like before President of the United States of America and Commander in Chief of the most powerful Military ever known to man, Donald Trump.

I don't think you can really get much weaker than Trump.

Remember when he filled his diaper and had a temper tantrum because Kim called him "old" "fat" and "retarded"?

Lindsey Graham: President Trump could get Nobel Prize for how he's handled Kim Jong Un

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...g-un/557653002/





WASHINGTON — Sen. Lindsey Graham has previously called President Trump “a kook,” “unfit for office” and a “political car wreck.

But the South Carolina Republican and one-time Trump rival for the GOP presidential nomination said Friday that the president could end up deserving the Nobel Peace Prize for how he’s handled the situation with North Korea.

"Donald Trump convinced North Korea and China he was serious about bringing about change," Graham tweeted. "We're not there yet, but if this happens, President Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize."

Since the presidential primary, Graham and Trump have gotten closer and the Republican senator has frequently praised the president. However, he has also not hesitated to criticize Trump when the two have disagreed.

Graham isn't the only one calling for the president to get the Nobel Peace Prize Rep. Luke Messer, R-Ind., has been calling for the president to earn the prize since March. On Friday, Messer, who is running for Senate on a pro-Trump platform, said he is gathering congressional support to formally nominate Trump for the award.

On Friday, the leaders of North and South Korea announced they would enter a "new era of peace” and denuclearize the peninsula, though they provided few details on how that would happen. The meeting between Kim Jong Un and South Korea’s President Moon Jae was the first time the leader of North Korea had set foot in South Korea since the end of the Korean War in 1953.

The two leaders also said they hoped to officially declare an end to the war by the end of the year.




hroughout his presidency, Trump has had an agitated back-and-forth with the leader of North Korea, in the hopes of getting the country to give up its nuclear weapons.

He has called Kim "Little Rocket Man," a "sick puppy," a "madman," and "short and fat." In turn, Kim has called Trump a "mentally deranged dotard."

But recently, Trump called the North Korean leader was “very honorable." Trump is also expected to meet with the the North Korean leader in the coming months.

I do believe the exact word was, "dotard."

do·tard

noun
an old person, especially one who has become weak or senile.

Wow! It would be soooo cool to see an American President actually EARN a Nobel!

Trump literally found out on Sunday that there would have to be negotiations, and that North Korea wasn't just giving up their testing for no reason.

Prior to that, his biggest contribution to the North Korea situation was to get fussy and throw a fit when Kim called him names.

Also...the Nobel committee would never in a million years recognize Trump. It's a bunch of European academics.

You are correct. I forgot, my bad.

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Always happy to help.

Little Rocket Man sent millions of Americans to their dictionaries that day.

45* turned on Steve Doocy and pals.

Exactly the opposite... they are jumping for joy that they have a weak-minded, useful idiot in the white house now that they can negotiate circles around... which has not been the case in the past...

Do you seriously think Kim woke up one morning and become afraid of the Donald?

He has a strategy, and it was verified to me when Kim took his secret train ride to Beijing to get their stamp of approval prior to its implementation...

In one sense, peace is a good thing, when it based on mutual trust and uncompromised by an underlying agenda lurking about.

Trump in any light is no savior of the people... the sooner that you recognize this, the safer the US (and the world) will be... If you cannot see his self-centered, egotistical demeanor filled with greed now... you probably will once its too late... unfortunately

TDS at its best ...

Just curious what part of the Iran deal is it that u like the most ... since u TDSers struggle with details and answering questions ... i’ll go one at a time here to try and keep u focused ...

although my moneys on U RUNNING AWAY like u did in the Tarrifs thread once i actually pointed out the first reason the TPP was BULLCRAP ... u couldn’t even hang for reasons #2 - 20 ... I was actually hoping to learn something from u on that one ... but no, u crapped on trump ... we had a brief discussion and then u ran and hid ...

What do you think of this part of the deal ... is it one of your favs ... does it show great, average or horrible negotiating skills on our part to u? ....

- the fact they got paid UP FRONT w/o having to basically do a single thing other than sign a sheet of paper LIFTING ALMOST ALL SANCTIONS and RELEASING A HUGE CHUNK OF THE FUNDS to them ....

Their economy was reeling ... the sanctions had DESTROYED their economy ... and we go and bail them out and “make a deal” where we gave them 150 BILLION DOLLARS and lifted almost all of the sanctions on them for the STEEP ASS CONCESSION of signing a sheet of paper ... i get it, cause u know they’ve proven to be so trustworthy throughout history ... ...

Now go ahead ... run away and ignore or come back with insults or changing the subject .... just make sure u AVOID THE DETAILS and QUESTION i asked cause u have no answer ...

O got it for being black and becoming president ... guess becoming the first orange president didn’t mean as much ... i wonder if it was racial bias against orange people .... ...

You mean in the past where NK built up a Nuclear Arsenal to threaten our allies and us? That past?

It amazes my how many naive, ignorant Americans there are.

Kim Jong-un is not all-of-a-sudden a reasonable man.

Like what? In two weeks?

He is an absolute Dictator-For-Life Lun-A-Tic.

It's not the specific posters on this thread that worry me.

It's that they represent a large class of Americans.

If there's a substantive change in NK politics in say 5 years, then it's time to be cautiously optimist about Kim Jong-un and North Korea.

But that surely will not happen unless somehow there's a major coup.

Fortunately, I think Trump thoroughly understands Jong-un.

I can't wait to see where we stand with Jong-un ~ 1/2 way through Trump's second term.



Otto Warmbier slowly tortured to death over 17 months by Kim Jong-un.

What? Last year?

I bet his parents are thrilled at Jong-un's sudden epiphany.

What "Nuclear Arsenal" are you talking about?

Where do the Trump guys keep getting the idea that North Korea had functional nuclear weapons at all let alone "an arsenal"?

DawgDuty was rambling about North Korea and Iran having nuclear weapons the other day, too.

North Korea has had one high-yield multi-kiloton test, and then they declared themselves a nuclear power and they paraded the shell of a defunct Soviet warhead down the street.

People on here probably got the idea from.....the trump haters on here.

Remember when trump insulted kim and the libs/ant trumpers were going off about how trump was going to insult kim into nuking us?

Regardless - look where n.k. was, say, 10 years ago. Intel said they were a long, long way from developing nukes. Look where they were 5 years ago. 1 year ago. Close and closer and closer.

They have what's needed to make what estimates say would be between 6 and 20 bombs. They've tested. 1 issue now is miniaturizing the bomb so it can be put on a missile to be delivered.

Even though they 'aren't allowed' to develop nukes, they have. Even though they 'aren't allowed' to test missiles, they have.

If- IF this whole thing works out, it' a good thing.

If it doesn't, we're no worse off than we were last week.

No. Whoever said that is insane.

The fear would be that someday Kim might have a nuclear weapon capable of striking South Korea.

Anyone who feared the U.S. getting nuked by North Korea should've been laughed at.



I agree wholeheartedly.

I thought the Iran deal was great, probably Obama's biggest accomplishment. I wish he would have pushed more from a human rights aspect, and I hope we do that with North Korea, but that's wishful thinking in both instances.



Somewhat off topic, but anyone ever find it weird that the one country in history to have killed millions of innocent people with nuclear weapons gets to decide who is and isn't allowed to possess them?

Remember all those times you guys criticized Trump for being a reality show character? Who knew it could possibly be a good thing? Kim already has a well documented fascination with Dennis Rodman. Can't blame Kim for the chance to make friends with TWO reality stars lol

I’d trust Rodman in the Oval Office more than trump.