I'll love the guy at " 33 " if he can excel at LT !
@33 imo ... It doesn't matter the position so much as ... Is he going to be one of our best 5 offensive linemen in the future?
Corbett should still be able to fill a role, being touted as "ready to play", because of his football IQ, the mental gymnastics comes together quickly, which is an attribute that he shares with Bitonio and others who where able to start as rookies, because of their high football IQ, but that is not to say that they are/were developed.
Like most rookie OL, he will need to improve his core strength and experience is the best teacher.
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I am not a troll, been a Browns fan for almost 50 years. I did not call Corbet a bust. I just do not like the slot we took him. You are right, we will not know how all this pans out for a few years.
If you look closer bro I didn't say you were a troll, I said you sounded like one since the draft started. You bashed every pick we made except for the Linebacker, and Bashed Dorsey over, and over, and over, and over. I realize our picks didn't jive with who you wanted us to pick. I guess I should have been more understanding to your feelings, even though I didn't agree with them.
I only bashed Dorsey over the draft, not the FA and trade moves. I liked those.
I agree with a lot of the picks, just not the slots they were taken.
I personally would have considered OC/OG Bill Price with this selection if available, but with the retrospect of future implications, because we probably would not have been in a hurry to make him the starter over who we already have in place there.
Now presented with a similar talent from the OL, and oh btw ... Might be able to play OT too, ... and not just an interior prospect, then I have to consider Corbett in the same light and given that he will be tried at OT, an even greater one.
So I was thinking Conner Williams with this pick, and it will be interesting to see how their careers go.
I do this with selections just to see how the obvious fares against the selection.
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I would say between Highsmith, Wolf, and Hue none of them seemed to have an answer to where they see this guy playing. However, I would like to draw your attention to the draft phone call video on the website when the OL coach clearly points out that it will be or must be exciting to play next to Bitonio again. I am speculating he will get a quality look at playing LT first and center as a fall back.
I just don't see them moving Bitonio unless we are in dire straits. I am no expert by any means but while looking up Corbett I went straight to games I thought a guy from Nevada would struggle namely Notre Dame, Boise State, and Texas A&M. I was rather impressed he finishes his plays nasty, knows his assignments very well and played with good leverage from my vantage point. He certainly didn't shrink against those teams. I personally didn't see anything that said he couldn't do the same at a higher level. I of course noticed he played as #73 aswell.....perhaps the football Gods have been grooming him this whole time....cue the twilight zone music.
He did allow Garrett to get home twice that game back in 2015 but I would have to say overall he did fairly well against the future 1st overall. The more I watch this guy the more and more I see a bright future for him. I can certainly see why they regarded him so highly at the top of the 2nd round he is a gamer with some skills. Joe Thomas even stated when he started watching tape of the kid he was impressed with his feet but he could envision that he will start at RT and Coleman at LT and go from there after the season to see how it plays out.
Garrett just played so fast was impressive to watch which made Corbetts performance that much better.
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Interestingly, on a play that matches that photo, Garrett disengaged and caught the runner from behind after a 25 yard gain. (Play starts about 10:10 in the video.)
Edited to add; Side note, Damion Ratley was 5 for 7 in this game. The 2 misses were uncatchable, one overthrown, one under. When he wasn't targeted, he was blocking. I saw no problem with his hands.
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Interestingly, on a play that matches that photo, Garrett disengaged and caught the runner from behind after a 25 yard gain. (Play starts about 10:10 in the video.)
We need starters when we draft in the 2nd round, not a guy who may be just a fill in player.
That was my concern too. Guy seems like a good player who can fill multiple spots on the OL including OT, OG, even C... it's awesome to have those guys on the roster.. but taking one at 33? We aren't nearly good enough to be drafting depth at 33, we need guys who excel at something... Hopefully they have a plan for him...
yeah DC, I was a bit surprised also. Thought we were going for Daniels or Connor Williams.
I won't do the Homer bit here. I am confused on this pick at 33...OL has to start there. Unless they think it was a slam dunk for RT.
Center is not it as I first thought as Hue dispelled that in his presser when asked he said Center was just a back up thought and we expect him to compete for a OT or OG position.
I think its funny people can make a evaluation on an OL by their reps in the combine...lol Its all about the power in the legs guys not ARMS and that just means that he's not a weight lifter. He still could be a gym rat and not be efficient in the press at the combine, I think that is probably the most useless of the tests they do.
they should do Olympic squats for a test. Talking OL here.
But I must say I saw a "LITTLE" film after the pick and wasn't that impressed but we must have seen something. From what I heard at the presser he caught our eye at the Senior Bowl cause he played multiple positions. Ok...but at 33???? You want a STARTER...I am a little confused. OL is an easy evaluation I hope these guys got it right. I know Hue n Dorsey was slapping 5 on the pick when made. Can only hope its a good one! Got to see him in action when we start hitting.
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Man I can't say anything without you going opposite.. First I'm lambasted for being a Homer on all our picks then when I'm questioning one I am...well at least how I took it as. Let me guess, that was a serious question not a slam on me?
OK...seriously. Well I saw film and I can pretty much say he won't start at LT that is for sure and easy to see since he played that position in college.
I'm thinking RT is possible cause of Hubbard who has never been anything but a back up in the pros, yeah he started for the Steelers cause of injury.
So he can compete there as I stated earlier so I don't know where you come up with he can't be a starter.
What I said is in our presser we praised him and gave the biggest reason for the pick cause of his versatility...well you don't really do that with a 33 OL pick.
Hue stated he won't go to start at Center but it would be for either OG or OT and didn't specify which one. It almost seemed like he would vie for LG and we would be moving Bitonio???
I didn't say he CAN'T be a starter we just didn't have a defined plan for him starting its seems...usually at 33 you know where he is going to play. That is where my "CONFUSED" comes from. So all I said was OL at 33 has to start there...again I NEVER SAID HE CAN'T BE A STARTER. Why push my buttons you guys really hate me that much? But you tell me, we had two pressers and the question was asked and nobody told us where this guy is most likely going to start. You GOT TO HAVE A PLAN if you are going to take somebody at 33 and start high fiving each other.
The key here isn't the proposed miss statement of me saying he CAN'T START, which I didn't, the important thing is that I am confused on the pick. Where...I can see as I said if they thought it was a slam dunk for RT, but why didn't they just come out with it???
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I like the player but dont like the pick. Better players available and areas of need we could have addressed. This is a 6th man along the OL. no way does he play tackle at the next level. Mean nasty guard or maybe center but he doesnt have the feet and he he has short arms
I can safely say I have no idea where this kid could end up playing/what we plan to do with him...
What I do know is for the price we paid, he better end up playing somewhere and being darn good at it. Ideally, I like the rumors of him replacing Tretter.
They must have a plan, but does the secrecy = that they really don't have a plan?
Your guess is as good as mine ... Sorry if I implied differently.
My point is that if Corbett can become one of our starting five, then the pick will have been worth it. The Draft is as much about the future as it is for today.
... the biggest reason for the pick cause of his versatility...well you don't really do that with a 33 OL pick.
I agree with you...I thought the pick was "curious" to say the least. I like Corbett and I expect the FO well knows what they are going to do with him.
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I am warming to this pick. Olineman are never sexy picks, but very necessary as the run on them early in the 2nd round proved. I think the reason why many of us were left scratching our heads is we probably all hoped for Oliver, Guice/Jones/Chubb, a DB or WR or even Hernandez. But, clearly he was the guy Wylie wanted because in an interview he is over the moon with the kid.
I like that Dorsey addressed specific needs and players for his coaches (Ward over Chubb for example and now so it appears w/Corbett).
I sort of agree with you. I think people have to remember that both Tretter and Zeitler were signed by the previous regime.
Like many here, I'm not quite sure where Corbett fits in on the OL. What I certainly don't want to see is a hole be created by injury with a huge drop off in talent because of a lack of depth. However, as others have said, you don't invest a #33 pick for that.
I'd have to know the contract details and how much of a cap hit we would take if either Zeitler or Tretter were cut at years end but that could be the plan.
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IDK, ...it's all conjecture, but I'm having a recall of an interview with Coach Hue Jackson (iirc) sometime during the post combine period.
It has to due with his reply on the subject of finding a replacement for Joe Thomas in the draft, with the question presented in a pessimistic, unbelieving tone, which was the dogma.
Hue's replied was ... that he wouldn't be so sure of that ... This planted a seed in my mind, that although he presented it in a confidential tone, that in itself is revealing, because it seemed to make him uncomfortable and mum on the subject of the question after that.
Tabber ... I know you said Corbett is not a LT, but I'm not going to rule that thought out Just yet.
They must have a plan, but does the secrecy = that they really don't have a plan?
Your guess is as good as mine ... Sorry if I implied differently.
My point is that if Corbett can become one of our starting five, then the pick will have been worth it. The Draft is as much about the future as it is for today.
I would hope that is why we drafted him @33.
Thanks, apologies for being paranoid...lol
Definitely worth it if he's a starter. My main point is that I'm thoroughly confused. Usually OL I'm there. I didn't like the Erving pick and this seems similar...played LT in college he moved over to Center the analysts had him as the best Center. But he was not good at all. Versatile was the initial motive by the FO. I don't like Versatile at IMPACT 1st 2nd rounds of the draft.
Center...Hue pretty much said no that he would be competing at OG or OT. If Center was our PLAN I mean Daniels was there for us.
LT, Connor Williams was available and the best and maybe only candidate for the LT position in this draft.
OG, We got two Pro Bowl type OGs in Bitonio and Zietler.
To me it has to be RT but as noted we made the pick with over night to think about it. We have Dorsey and Hue high fiving it as Dorsey walked by and Hue was sitting down. To me that just says..."YEAH WE GOT OUR GUY", guy for what?
I think Shon has a very good shot at LT. So that leaves RT. As noted Hubbard is a backup who can play well. I sort of have disdain for that type of pick up as that is all we did in the 2000's until Joe Thomas. Guys who would start 3 games for the Packers and do well so they come here as a Starter and were so so mediocre. And here we go man down and Hubbard filled in nicely. So he comes here as a STARTER? I just don't see that going well. A pick up so we are not desperate for the draft?
I think and am worried that we had perceived certain players gone. Connor Williams, Daniels - and then didn't adjust as day 2 was starting??? I'm hoping we got that plan, don't know why they don't say something like he's going to get a chance to compete for the RT position.
Unless the plan all along is to move Bitonio over? Cause Hue stated OG or OT...OG would mean Bitonio moves over.
But that would be news to him.
I wouldn't mind seeing a starting OL of: Shon Coleman, Corbett, Tretter, Zietler, Bitonio
But they have to be playing together like that from day one...so they are prepared mentally and physically for their duties. We can't just do it on paper and then the last couple of weeks come out with it.
Just thinking out loud here. I am confused with the pick. If the kid starts, great then I will understand and it most definitely will be a good pick.
Schwartz...we knew from day one he would be starting at RT. Bitonio another 2nd round pick OL we knew he would be starting at OG from day one.
Erving...we didn't know, he didn't know from day one he was the 6th man. Hoe did that turn out?
4th, 5th, 6th rounders I get it. Versatile and let the chips fall where they lie. But #33.
I try to understand all our picks...and nod yes even if they were not on my list. That was the purpose of my post, I am confused and in the past (Erving) versatile high up didn't turn out so good. Those knowing from day one where they were going to start, turned out fine. jmho
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I think that most teams think that Connor williams will be an OG, so I understand us passing on him, but yeah Dainels I thought is a good Center prospect, so thats why I am not ready to rule out Corbett at OT, because there where other options there @33. This leads me to believe that we hope that he can also step in at LT, (if) Coleman is not up to the job, or maybe Corbett could prove to be the better option, whereas before the Draft, Coleman was the only real foreseeable option.
In the event that Coleman works out, then at the very least we have and option at C/OG in the future. He will be a starting OL for us at some point in the future, because he is good enough and smart enough to play the other positions, ... unlike Erving, who could not process the mental gymnastics.
If we decide to go with either Corbett or Bitonio at LT, I kind of hope it's Corbett, because I don't want to uproot 2 positions.
We can help the LT by sliding protections, and by using Fells on the left side, and/or by using the RB to either block, or chip and release. I don't want to minimize the LT position, but I think that there are a lot of ways to help that position, especially if the guy we wind up playing there has some experience there ..... and if the rest of the line remains consistent.
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If we decide to go with either Corbett or Bitonio at LT, I kind of hope it's Corbett, because I don't want to uproot 2 positions.
We can help the LT by sliding protections, and by using Fells on the left side, and/or by using the RB to either block, or chip and release. I don't want to minimize the LT position, but I think that there are a lot of ways to help that position, especially if the guy we wind up playing there has some experience there ..... and if the rest of the line remains consistent.
Yes, changing only one position is preferred.
LT is the only real question mark across the OL I think ... yes the RT still needs to be sorted out, but we have guys there.
I don't expect the team to produce a replacement of really a luxury that many teams never experience. Joe set the Bar, but we must prepare for less ... least we set our expectations too high.
He got smoked on the outside speed rush moves. Good post, thank you for sharing that.
And got no help from the QB (stepping up) RB? agaist a wide 7 look.
At least he altered his path. lol
But yeah Myles rang the bell.
He rang the bell on a lot of other tackles lol. It's nice seeing someone stacked up against the best though. Myles was utterly dominating in college. If he got set and his hands on him, he showed some control against Garrett. Some other players not named Garrett had a speed rush go successful on him.
He got smoked on the outside speed rush moves. Good post, thank you for sharing that.
And got no help from the QB (stepping up) RB? agaist a wide 7 look.
At least he altered his path. lol
But yeah Myles rang the bell.
He rang the bell on a lot of other tackles lol. It's nice seeing someone stacked up against the best though. Myles was utterly dominating in college. If he got set and his hands on him, he showed some control against Garrett. Some other players not named Garrett had a speed rush go successful on him.
Also we need to keep in mind that the context is that, this game was played in 2015.
Erving was just lousy feet and fit nowhere well enough. This kid will be a welcome challenger. Quality talent and skill will usually find a place somewhere. Erving was like trying to force a fix to work out.
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Agree ... its about the feet ... Erving’s SUCKED ... looks like KC’s counting on him to be a starting gaurd for them this year ... good luck with that ... ...
Hopefully this kid has WAY BETTER FEET and the only thing him and Erving have in common is that were not sure where they would play coming out ...
Speaking of the devil ... guess i was wrong about them counting as him as a starter ... *L* ... oooops ....
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Chiefs declined OL Cameron Erving's 2019 team option.
The former No. 19 overall pick in the 2015 draft, Erving was acquired from the Browns last summer and made four starts -- three at right guard and one at left tackle -- while amassing 276 snaps. He's simply competing for a job this year, but Erving's ability to play all five spots makes him valuable.
Its all about the power in the legs guys not ARMS and that just means that he's not a weight lifter. He still could be a gym rat and not be efficient in the press at the combine, I think that is probably the most useless of the tests they do. 
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