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I think Hue's daughter hijacked another post.

After the first win.. then we can talk about being a sleeper.

only if i really did - lol

I’m with you. I’m on press blackout. I’m done watching pressers with the coach or FO. It’s all the same crap, different mouths it’s coming out of. “We’re going to work hard. We believe in our process. We really like the guys we brought in. We’re changing the culture....blah blah blah” I’m done with listening to any of them. Win and I’ll start listening. Until then it’s just talk. Talk I’ve heard before. The culture will change with wins. Not with lip service.

we've hear this song and dance before. yes, this year feels a little bit different with so many acquisitions and high picks but show us

Actually, the Lions went from 0-16 to 2-14 to 6-10 and then 10-6... hopefully that's not our road lol.

This is WAY DIFFERENT ... u guys can allow past failures to keep u negative ... i 100% UNDERSTAND IT ... we’ve stunk for so long ... i refuse to let past failures affect my ability to see what we have now ...

I have never been even close to this optomistic ... i’m Not sure since our return if i’ve Been “positive” about a season since our return .. Pit, Vers and I have spent the last 20 years being berated by the board for being “negative” when we were being REALISTS ...

Maybe thats why past failures don’t affect me as much .. i’ve never been BURNT cause i’ve Never went into a season with much expectation ... theres been 2 years since our return i’ve been dissapointed based off my expectations going into the season ...

The difference in talent in this league is MINIMAL ... If we had TT and the Jillls had Kizer last year ... we win 4 - 6 games and they don’t win that many instead of going to the playoffs ... and that was with LAST YEARS TALENT and a HC/OC ...

And guys ... not only did we AQUIRE ALOT MORE TALENT .... but the 1st and 2nd year kids will MAKE STRIDES ... all the KIDS will IMPROVE ...

We were a BETTER FOOTBALL team than people think ...

I cant believe this day has finally come ... I’M THE OPTOMIST ...

Very well said, Diam. I agree...

Hue is still the HC, Haslan still the president, and we still have a smart-ass has GM, so your point is numb.... We already had a team better than 1-31, yet...

Thats your opinion dawg ....

u can wallow in your “despair” over the state of our team til the season starts while i look forward to it with hope and optomism ...

Then you’ll either be thrilled or i’ll be peed off every week ...

Time will tell dawg ... time will tell ...

Kinda like the Yellow Brick Road sin-drum , lol .. Improved , yep I think so . Very Tough schedule , yep I think so ..lol

"Legit Sleeper" isn't all that flattering...

If you go into this season thinking we SHOULD compete for the playoffs, then yes there is a very good chance you will come out of it disappointed.

I'm looking at it like this.. I think 5 wins is about where we will end up.. but taking it as a positive that others think we have improved enough (on paper) to warrant an article like this

I see 11 very winnable games ...

Jets
Faiders
Rats x 2
Chargers
Tampa Bay
KC
Cinci x 2
Texans
Broncos

Theres no reason to think we can’t win at least six of those ... none what so ever ...

Then we pull out two or three against the panthers, saints, falcons and stilers x 2 ...

Quite frankly the panthers, saints and falcons don’t scare me much at all ... OK .. the aints do .. they could be really good this year ... the falcons not so much anymore ... they miss Shanny on O and there D SUCKS ASS ... same with the panthers ... cant put a finger on why they seem to underachieve every year but the one ...

Anyhow ... depending on injuries ... im VERY OPTOMISTIC for this year and IMO FOR GOOD REASON ...

Don't see any winnable games on those, sorry.

All those teams are several notches above the Browns, maybe 1-2 games,just because in any given week we can win one game.

Adds that mid season we are going to melt down, Hue is going to be fired, Mayfield is going to start, and we will be in rebuild mode once again.

If you really believe this, you should borrow as much money as possible and bet it on the Browns wins over/under for 2018.

It looks like Vegas has the Browns at 5.5 wins.

You do really believe this right? Because we both know money talks.

Who knows? Maybe you'd win.

If I had $100 to blow, I would.

How much could i win if i put down 100 today?

I’m not a gambler in that regard .. im still peed i didn’t put down 100 on Baker when he was 33 to 1 ... i didnt really understand what it meant then once i realized it i was just a moron and never asked how to place the bet ..

Are u kidding me ... at 33:1 ... those were great odds for that ... im nota gambler but im not stupid either .. *L* ...

Anyhow ...

I think we will win over 5.5 games ... how much can i win and how do i place the bet? ...

Side note ... u made a reply to a post I made similiar to this one ... same subject, basically the same post by me u were responding to ...

And this is why i love u ... your response was so well crafted i could not tell if u were agreeing with me or making fun of me ... or doing both at the same time ... *LOL* ...

That’s SPECIAL dawg ...

I think we're staring down the barrel of a 7-9 season. Less than 6 wins is a total disappointment. Hopefully injuries are at a minimum and we can see these young players begin to blossom.

There is MUCH more talent on this team than people are giving us credit for. If we find a groove early, challenging for a playoff spot isn't out of the question. Playing meaningful games in December is on the docket this year... and it's pretty damned exciting. This is year one of a two year plan of returning to respectability, returning to the playoffs, no longer being the brunt of everyone's jokes, not having to say "because Cleveland", being the Factory of Excitement... "Pandemonium Palace". Taking this group of players and instilling some confidence, watching them "learn to win", will get rid of this stench in a hurry. It's way overdue.

Legit Playoff Contenders? That's just a line to sell a story. Bottom line? There are some very legitimate reasons to see an about face on futility and an immediate return to relevance.

after what sashi did we will be rebuilding for ten years lol

Top five overall in draft selection in each of those ten years lol!!!!!!!!!!!! Dark years my friend, let's both hope they can get it right with all these high round picks that need to amount to something.

Diam above:

[kwote]And this is why i love u [/kwote]

No, I love you.

Hey I don't know how to do a bet in Vegas. I imagine it can be found out on-line (but maybe not placed via on-line, yeah, probably not)

I'd only argue you on Chargers, KC, and Broncos. Also, it matters when during the season those winnable games happen. Our offense is not going to be locked in on day 1. Too many new things, new people, and not-so-new people that are still developing and learning.

I love u more .... *L* ...

If u had to place the bet .... would u take over or under 5.5 wins?

Under, no matter the roster quality, I fully expect the browns to find a way to Hue it up. 2017 was the singel worst head coaching job in the history of the nfl.

You know which.

But the good thing for Browns fans is that 5.5 wins is where the money is.

It's what Vegas thinks. It's not fan chit chat.

Of course the Browns beat incredible odds last year.

I'll bet you could have got a 1,000-to-1 pay-off on "under 1/2 win".

If so, that would have been $100,000 on a $100 bet.

What a missed opportunity for Browns fans.

Let me know if you need any more betting advice.

Got to go. Startin' to rain. Later.

No, i don’t which....was that a spelling slam by u .. *L* ...

Thats why I asked ...

U take the over or the under sir ...

Ty dawg ...

I saw this article pop up on my phone and just kinda rolled my eyes.

Myself and a buddy here at work (Southern California) are both Browns fans, and we kinda laughed the other day about all the draft picks and FA moves like, "Dangit! They got us again, we're excited for the season!"

I feel like the words Browns and Wild Card (as in playoffs) is REALLY setting ourselves up for disappointment... again. My expectation for us is that we play watchable football at some point this season. I don't expect us to be playing watchable football game 1. There are just too many rookies, 2nd year players, and new FAs and new coaches and stuff for us to finally look like an actual NFL team on the field.

Five wins would be a huge improvement over last year. Eight wins would be insane. Nine wins, not gonna happen. If the Browns have taught me anything it's to curb my enthusiasm.

I would not make a large wager on the over/under at 5.5.. I think that is right where it should be.. I think it will come down to us getting out of the gate.. (not the Steelers or Saints, that would be asking a lot).. but then we have Jets, Raiders, Ravens, Chargers, Buccaneers.. that's 5 games and if we can win 2 or 3 of those, I think we can win 6 or 7.. if we find ways to lose those, this team could very easily slip back into the "here we go again" mode and it could be a 1 or 2 win season with a bunch of "showing up" in the second half of the season..

I'd take Rastan's bet if he was willing to bet we won't win more than 1 or 2 though..

I repeat.

This team's success will depend, a lot, on health.If we don't lose a lot of guys to injury, we can win 6-9 games.

Signs of the Apocalypse and that the last seal has been opened

• mac and I agree
• Diam is being optimistic.
• Diam's spelling has magically cleared up (mostly).

I see what we have, and I see the potential of what is here for both this season and beyond.
I'm waiting to see if the guys running this show can pull it all together and get it to perform up to its capabilities.

Please let me know when 50 percent of the Browns fans agree with you. Then I can fight with a whole bunch of people.

Right up there with "Bona Fide Long-Odds Crapshoot" is closer. Or "Participation Trophy Pipe Dreamers" perhaps. No props until we win some. I would love to leave some shock and awe victims in our wake for a change.

LOL
At least you know where you are in the stream of time.

Five wins would be a total failure. Total failure. We should have won 3-4 last season.

5 wins is about what I expect. Maybe 3-4 and Maybe 6-7 if we really develop and have some luck

j/c:

If 5.5 is the over/under for the Browns win total, I would avoid the bet. That seems like a very smart number. If I had to choose between the two and didn't have to risk money, I would take the under.

I see some positives:

--Landry was a huge acquisition.

--The young guys are a year older.

--Taylor is better than than Kizer.

--The secondary looks better. Ward is a real player. Randall can't be worse than Peppers. And we brought in Gaines, who I like.

There are some negatives:

--Hue is a better OC than Haley. There are real reasons why Hue was the hot candidate for a HC and Haley was not a few years ago when Hue was at Cinci and Haley at Pit. I am extremely disappointed to hear Haley has complete control of the O.

--LT is going to be an issue.

--I think Crow is a better back than Hyde.

--I had Chubb ranked 7th at RB before the draft. You can read my analysis on the Ranking and Evaluating the Running Backs thread in the Draft forum. Dude is not the same guy post-injury. His inability to turn the corner is going to be costly in the NFL.

--We brought in more low character guys.

--Sashi gave us a "losing culture." That is hard for young teams to overcome. All that losing is like an anchor around a team's neck.

--The draft was terribly disappointing in regards to what it could have been. We "reached" on almost every pick.

--We still don't have a quality qb. People are overrating Taylor. He isn't that good.

Summary:

I think we are a better team, but I also think that our lack of experience, youth, losing culture, issues at QB, and having so many low-character players is a problem. I think we might win 4-6 games, but it could get ugly if we don't win one early.