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We've had sanctions against Iran for years. Google why for yourself and pick your favorite.

What in their behavior earned a new deal?

A little and a lot...of good and bad. What did Iran do to earn a deal?

Gave up their nuclear energy program.

Why are all of their "oooh, they won't be able to answer this!" questions always so simple?

And the good is...?

So they gave up their nuclear program? But still have one with limitations on how it gets inspected. Got it.

Oh my goodness...why do you want me to detail out things that have occurred in the middle east that are good? Are you Rumpelstiltskin?

If you don't already know what we've done that is good, there are no words I can give you to change your mind.

Trump Tweeted, sends his Seal of Approval...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYuK6IBrQY

Where in my small post did you see me referring to the blabber that you just posted?

And, about my job... I will keep that to myself to save you from further embarrassment... you should not tread where you have no clue...

Since you are so attached.. I'll add some of these...

What i was “blabbering” about was the point of your entire post ... either that or your post had no point ... your call ... ...

You spend most of your time in areas u have no clue about .. i figured i’d follow u down that rabbit hole for a change ... and I didn’t make a statement ... i said I WONDER ... u have any clue what that means ... appearantly not ... ..

Just curious ... what country do u live in .. it makes a huge difference in the pacific rim ... u seem more like a Thailand type a guy than a Singapore type of guy ... just to clarify, that wasn’t a statement ... ...

Thanks for the ... made me feel right at home ...

I see you’ve at least learned the culture in the pacific rim .... ...

Haven't been to Bangkok.. I do want to visit Vietnam and Laos, though...

I have done business with a couple of companies in Singapore... all successful... most of them speak a minimum of four languages.. pretty sharp people... but negotiation can we their weak point...

Actually, my proximity is more aligned for China business... but luckily I still have a quasi-essential democracy to reside in...

Exactly which culture do you think I have learned here.. there are many.

I was breaking your chops about the culture thing ... one of the first things i learned about the Japanese and the Chinese is that they would basically bow while f’ng U ... they did it very very politely but u were getting the shaft .... *L* ...

Why Vietnam and Laos? ....

Singapore is an incredible country that most don’t know about ... it’s so clean it reminds me of the pristine living room that has the couch still in the plastic in it ... everything is just perfect and clean as could be .... people are intelligent and diverse ... Singapore is not an inexpensive place to live ...... its a little different than Thailand ... *L* ... at least the last time i was there ..

I’ve dealt with a handful of Chinese owned companies but they had Americans here i dealt with ... never been to China ... on my bucket list ... looking into business opportunities right now ... gonna take a peek that way ... u never know ...

Did anyone see John Bolton this morning basically saying that Trump isn't prepared, but will just wing it?

Been busting yours a bit too, bro... Vietnam has become a bit more commercial, while Laos still has the beauty of being more or less untouched... people are wonderful and the food is amazing.. so I've been told... a lot of opportunity there.

Let me know if you decide to do the China thing... we can do the south in a whirlwind... I have friends and associates in Nanjing, Shanghai, Qingdao and Beijing... Can take you up in the Sino Steel building in Beijing... pretty impressive... sold them quite a lot of iron ore back in the day..

Anyway... invitation is out there... maybe we could catch an NFL game, too!

Ok.. back to our regularly scheduled political onslaught!

The past 72 hours in surprising North Korea news, explained
A possible nuclear agreement, a potential historic concession, and perhaps a change in America’s stance toward North Korea.


By Alex Ward@AlexWardVoxalex.ward@vox.com May 14, 2018, 2:20pm EDT

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/14/17352056/north-korea-news-trump-bolton-pompeo-nuclear

It's almost like Russia and China got together and told North Korea we won't protect you from the US unless you do this...

China and Russia have as much to do with this as Trump does.

Who got them involved .... did it just magically happen ...

All trails lead back to Mr. President ..... deal with it ...

So far, so good.

Keep it rolling Mr.President.

Wait..are you implying that Russia and China were not involved in North Korea prior to Trump ?

Truly clueless...

#PuffPuffPass ...

Not even close ...

And look who chimed in behind U and is once again struggling with 0 + 0 = 0 ... ...

Maybe, maybe not.....more so China if either.

If this does pull off and we see a major shift in relations, there is little doubt that President Trump and Kim should win the Nobel Peace prize.

This has been a stalemate for nearly 70 years now.

Bro... China and Russia have long been involved with NK... your president didn't have anything what-so-ever to do with that...

How do you think they have been skirting the sanctions all of this time?

They have been tying vessels off together just outside of Hong Kong waters for years... and I think their tired of the NK drama to carry it on any further...

One thing we do know, no other President has been involved with it, so that leaves us here today, with the sitting President we now have.

Like it or not, it seems to be happening on his watch.

It may all fall apart, but at this point we are seeing some positive movement. Be happy for that. Geesh.

I know dawg ... fully aware ...

China’s #1 in influence ... always has been ...

Russia used to be #2 .. has Iran passed them? ... i know NK and Iran have grown a lot closer over the last decade ...

Your thoughts on the above? ....

I was reffering to Trump “ratcheting up the heat” on China for lack of a better term ... he got them more engaged ...

You’d be shocked at what i actually think what happend here ...

I agree with you 100% on that assessment...

I think Iran is their proxy... or patsy... depending how you look at it.

And yes.. I think the heat in the kitchen just got too hot for everybody...

Not sure if I would be that "shocked", though!

China has not, they may have said they are involved, but they have undermined and allowed NK to do whatever they want for years, because they knew they had pushovers in the US that would allow NK and their antics to continue.

Now with trump in the oval, he started calling China out on it, and they actually now have started to say "hey, they aint messing around".

Its like the parents who let their child do whatever they want, say whatever they want, because its just easier to let him do anything that actually have to parent. Now the new step dad is in the house, and is laying down the law.

Dude.. you really schooled me!

The problem is that you really are unaware of what you don't know...

It's not a good look, you know...

LMAO ! You really do need to get out of the country more . Do you really think that the worldview of America is that of a parental figure who has had enough and is now looking over the newspaper at the naughty kids . Uh oh Dad's mad we better shape up ! Lol

Trump is actually trying to bail out a Chinese company that provides US tech to Iran and North Korea. He even tweeted about it. This dude is about to fold for a pump and dump to the trade deficit. China has a plan to become the world super power in 7 years and has been getting no resistance from the White House. It's crazy.

where did I say that? You really need to comprehend what you are reading more. I used an analogy in this instance, never stated anything about the Worldview.

However the worldview is that more progress has been made under trump in regards to NK and peace than another president in our lifetimes, and its driving you guys crazy.

j/c

All this chest pounding BEFORE there is an agreement? Why am I not surprised?

Let me know when we actually have an agreement that's any better than the Iran deal was.

As of now there seems to be an awful lot of chest thumping before anything is actually agreed upon. lmao

Ive said in the past that if something positive comes out of the Korean Peninsula while Trump is in office then that's great . IMO a perfect storm has happened that finally led the fat one to realize he was in a corner with nowhere to go . How much Trump has had to do with this will be hashed out in the pages of the future history books but if it happens during his term then he gets the credit .

North Korea announced it has canceled a high-level summit with South Korea and has threatened to cancel its meeting with the United States over American military drills with South Korea, Yonhap News said, citing KCNA.

Kim turns tough. Here we go.

He still deserves the Nobel Peace prize though. Heck, give him the prize in Literature too - he's made up more stories than most accomplished writers

Seriously though, this is a bummer.

Who knew?

North Korea threatened Wednesday to cancel the forthcoming summit between leader Kim Jong Un and President Donald Trump if Washington seeks to push Pyongyang into unilaterally giving up its nuclear arsenal.

It also cancelled high-level talks due Wednesday with Seoul over the Max Thunder joint military exercises being held between the United States and South Korea, denouncing the drills as a "rude and wicked provocation".

It is a sudden and dramatic return to the the rhetoric of the past by Pyongyang, after months of rapid diplomatic rapprochement on the peninsula.

"If the US is trying to drive us into a corner to force our unilateral nuclear abandonment, we will no longer be interested in such dialogue," first vice foreign minister Kim Kye Gwan said in a statement carried by state media.

In that case, he added, Pyongyang would have to "reconsider" its participation at the summit, due in Singapore on June 12.

The North's arsenal is expected to be at the top of the agenda of the historic talks, but Pyongyang has long insisted it needs the weapons to defend itself against invasion by the US.

Washington is pressing for its complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearisation. But so far the North has not given any public indication of what concessions it is offering, beyond euphemistic commitments to denuclearisation of the "Korean peninsula".

Pyongyang had "made clear on several occasions that precondition for denuclearisation is to put an end to anti-DPRK hostile policy and nuclear threats and blackmail of the United States", minister Kim said.

In the past, Pyongyang has demanded the withdrawal of the US troops stationed in the South to protect it from its neighbour, and an end to Washington's nuclear umbrella over its security ally.

The minister also blasted US National Security Advisor John Bolton's talk of a "Libyan model" for North Korean denuclearisation.

It was a "sinister move to impose on our dignified state the destiny of Libya or Iraq", he said. "I cannot suppress indignation at such moves of the US, and harbour doubt about the US sincerity."

The North has long said it needs nuclear weapons to protect itself against a US invasion. After giving up his atomic programme, Libyan leader Moamer Khadafi was killed in an uprising backed by NATO bombing.

Minister Kim also dismissed offers by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo -- who has visited Pyongyang twice in recent weeks, coming back the second time with three released US detainees - for US economic aid if the North denuclearises.

"We have never had any expectation of US support in carrying out our economic construction and will not at all make such a deal in future," Kim said.

- Tightrope diplomacy -

In recent weeks, as well as an eye-catching summit with the South's leader last month in the Demilitarized Zone, Kim has twice met Chinese President Xi Jinping and Pyongyang has announced it will destroy its nuclear testing site next week.

Analysts said Pyongyang was now trying to redefine the terms of the debate.

"It's a diplomatic tactic," Kim Hyun-wook, professor at the Korea National Diplomatic Academy, told AFP, calling it "brinkmanship to change the US position".

"It looks like Kim Jong Un was pushed into accepting US demands for 'denuclearisation-first' but is now trying to change its position after normalising North Korea-China relations and securing economic assistance," he added.

"The classic North Korean tightrope diplomacy between the US and China has begun."

US officials have repeatedly claimed credit for Washington's "maximum pressure" policy for bringing Pyongyang to the negotiating table.

Joshua Pollack of the Middlebury Institute for International Studies said Pyongyang had been irritated by the "triumphalist tone".

"The North Koreans aren't happy with what they're seeing and hearing," he said. "There is still a yawning gulf between expectations for diplomacy in Pyongyang and Washington, DC."

- Thunderstruck -

Earlier KCNA denounced the Max Thunder joint military exercises being held between the US and South Korea as a "rude and wicked provocation", and Seoul said it had received a message cancelling planned high-level talks "indefinitely".

The two-week drills started last Friday and involves some 100 aircraft from the two allies, including F-22 stealth fighter jets.

Pyongyang's move was "regrettable", said unification ministry spokesman Baik Tae-hyun, adding it "contradicts the fundamental spirit and purpose of the Panmunjom Declaration".

Hostilities in the 1950-53 Korean War stopped with a ceasefire, leaving the two halves of the peninsula divided by the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) and still technically at war.

The North has spent decades developing its atomic arsenal and missiles capable of reaching the US, earning itself multiple rounds of UN Security Council resolutions, while Trump and Kim traded personal insults and threats of war last year.

Relations underwent a sudden turnaround as Moon used February's Winter Olympics in the South to broker talks between Washington and Pyongyang.

Washington said it will continue to plan the meeting in Singapore on June 12, with State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert telling reporters it had received "no notification" of a position change by North Korea.

The exercises were "not provocative" and would continue, she added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nor...ocid=spartanntp

You just can't trust Kim Jung Un. North Korea can't be trusted..

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-north-korea-south-meeting-20180515-story.html

If Trump pulls this off, he'll probably deserve the Nobel...,

But I do have my doubts... Like I said, Un can't be trusted to keep any deal he agrees to. For that matter, neither can Trump

Actually this isn't an unusual tactic by North Korea.

Just as President Trump pushes things to the limit in order to get people talking and negotiating, NK has always pulled the "Everything is Off card."

I remember reading of how negotiations were going well during the Korean War peace talks. The sides were to sit down in a meeting to discuss ending the war when NK walked in they said, Oh no, this will never do! The table must be square not round and out they walked!

Back to war we went.