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I truly don't know if Mayfield is accurate or not. I get that the stats say he is, but they said McCoy was too.

I saw Mayfield throw to wide open windows in college. I did not see him pinpoint the ball like I saw Rosen do.

That is NOT to say he can't do it, but I haven't seen it yet. I think the claims of how he is the most accurate qb are premature at best.

At this point, the only things we have to go on are the stats, and the tape, so I’m hoping they are both indicators of future success.

j/c...

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I like rasta's posts and defend them a lot of the time. But his takes on Mayfield are incorrect. Which is ok. You're allowed to be incorrect.

The biggest one... Mayfield's personality actually moved him up the draft boards not down. To say his personality makes him a risk is simply not true. It actually makes him less of a risk.

We also drafted the best quarterback in the draft. Kizer, McCoy, Weeden, Manziel, Quinn were not the best quarterbacks in the draft.

Oh. And for the record, Brees wasn't replaced, he was injured.

Tell me about it. I wonder if we could have signed him. Miami def is kicking htemselves for choosing Culpepper over him

I saw a whole lot of Colt McCoy talk and, forgive me if I missed it, I didn't see anyone talking about the reason Colt McCoy isn't a viable long term starter in this league. His shoulder injury is what caused him to be a 3rd round draft pick and the reason he isn't a starter in this league. He's had a nice career as a backup because frankly, he's a good QB without the arm that he had prior to the injury.

He had other issues than arm strength (I don't remember a shoulder injury).

He didn't throw with anticipation. Maybe it's something he could have learned, but he wasn't as accurate as people make out.

He wouldn't hit players in stride (which is key).

If a guy is having to slow down or reach behind him to catch a ball, it doesnt put them in a good position to make get those essential Yards After the Catch. I didn't realize how important it was until Hoyer got here. He said that's one of those things that was so stressed in New England. And it is that. It's something Tom Brady is great at. Putting the ball so that the receiver can catch it and quickly make a play.

Colt wasn't very good at that. Mix that with the weak arm and inability to stretch the field, and he just wasn't going to be a very effective QB.

Okay, correction. Now I remember. And that Freshman came in, did his best but couldn't get it done. A couple years down the road, he transfers out of Texas and goes to Houston or SMU or something.


And I think that same guy went to Baker Mayfield's High School and played there

Maybe it also has to do with the fact that Oklahoma had a lot of big leads and he didn't have to take risks?

Mayfield had 1 game with more than 1 INT last year, it was against Ok State.. he also threw for 600 yards and 5 TDs in that game... and they won 62 to 52.. clearly they needed every point they could get.

Rosen had 2 games with 2 INTs and 1 game with 3 INTs... they lost all 3 of them. So did he throw those INTs because he's brave, doesn't care about his numbers, and was trying to come back? Or did they lose in part because he threw INTs? I don't know enough about each game to know... I'm guessing the game against Arizona when he threw for just 219 yards, 0 TDs, and 3 INTs.. a big part of that loss is on him... just guessing.

I suggest we all follow your advice of watching him play and then forming our opinion. Even those proclaiming we have finally gotten our franchise QB.

Arguments have been made that Mayfield's numbers were inflated, and I partially agree with them.

There is no way we can see how Mayfield will translate to the NFL without seeing him play, that's the nature of the pick.

We selected a QB not because of his physical abilities but because he was a player, so until he plays and shows us what he can do, we should hold judgments.

I actually don't think people pointing up the limitations of Baker has being detrimental, but creating expectations for him to come in and rip, its not fair to the kid.

And I honestly don't think the comparison to Colt has being that far off... IMHO Colt only needed some more guts and risk taking to become a good QB, but I guess that's what separate the QB's at the NFL... remember Brady Quinn also, well in his case he had nothing going for him, IMHO....

What "Physical Abilities" did we not choose him for?

He's got a stronger than average arm and he's very accurate. What "Physical Ability" does Baker not have?

Seriously?

He's short. He's slow. He had the smallest hands of the top qbs.

I have no problem w/you guys loving the guy, but I don't get why people are getting upset because some people didn't like him before the draft and don't like him now.

It's opinion. I have tried to keep quiet about my feelings on him since the draft, but tab's big mouth is making it difficult.

Petey, c'mon you are now in fantasy land, where dwarfs are tall and fairies are strong.

You are setting the bar too high for Baker, and I honestly don't think he will ever live up to that kind expectation.

Not when you expect him to have a strong arm and be better than the SB MVP....

And I think we have established that there is College accuracy and NFL accuracy ... aham Colt McCoy...

Now I have to reply because I liked your post. lol

I did make my misgivings well know before and after we drafted the kid. But making silly claims like, "We finally got our Franchise QB" before he has even played a down in the NFL does make it hard not to respond if you disagree.

Now cue the, "Everybody is picking on me" response we both know is coming.

Folks saying "We finally got our Franchise QB" is just as silly as folks saying "We wasted the pick" or "this kid is gonna bust".

His past is moo (yes, moo... like a cow's opinion, it just doesn't matter) - he's a clean slate and we get to sit and wait (and speculate) to see what he is able to do with the opportunity he's been given.

lol. I simply asked you a question. You said Physical Abilities. Not his height. That's a Physical Characteristic. I wouldn't call that an "ability"


Physical ability would be accuracy, arm strength, athleticism. Baker does just fine with his "Physical Abilities". And as for his height, it hasn't been shown to effect him yet. Could it be a concern, sure. But he's been just fine at his height so far.

You keep bringing up Colt McCoy, but Colt was a third round pick. Baker was the first pick of the draft. Sam Bradford was the number 1 pick that year. Not Colt McCoy. A QB with plenty of accuracy in the NFL and college.


And as for Nick Foles, as I said, he played 6 solid games this year. One being the Super Bowl. He played those games on a phenomenal team that was rolling, with a better QB before him (Carson Wentz).

I don't expect Baker to light the world on fire this year. I don't want him to start until after the Bye Week (Week 12) at the earliest. That'd give him the final 6 games of the season.

But I am happy that we went, picked our QB in this draft. The one that we evaluated as the best. And I do hope that he'll have a more consistent career than Nick Foles

FWIW, the Browns have said that they measured Mayfield's hands during his visit, and they somehow grew to 9 3/4".

FWIW, in 40 games at Oklahoma, , Mayfield had a total of 13 fumbles, losing only 3. (Darnold had 21 in 27 games, covering 2 seasons, losing 14, and Rosen had 20 in 30 games, covering parts of 3 seasons, with 7 lost)

I do like the way Mayfield holds the ball up nice and high in the pocket, and he does have a pretty quick release.

You know that I wanted Darnold, but I am hopeful that Mayfield will be a good QB. I don't know if he'll be a great QB, but I think that he can slot in a little better than a Teddy Bridgewater, as his floor.

I have seen it reported as both 9-1/4 and 9-1/2. For comparison, Darnold was 9-3/8...

I think 'hand size' is over rated. But, it's a 'measurable', like the 40, or reps on the bench at 225 lbs, etc.

Like I said, Mayfield does hold the ball nice and high in the pocket, and has a quick release. I think those will serve him well, even if he has "maybe kinda smaller-ish" hands.

Yep...however your advice also applied/applies to Bridgewater, Wentz & Watson...but everybody - even the announcers - proclaimed almost immediately that those were franchise guys...and we still don't know if they truly are.

Time will tell.

interesting to note that the average hand size is 9.6" while the arbitrary threshold is 9-1/8. Jimmy G and Derek Carr are at 9-1/4, Teddy B is at 9-1/2. From what I have read, hand size is not a good predictor of overall play...

Yeah, I think arch said it best above a few comments or so. It's a measurable like bench reps, 40 times and etc and people will therefore discuss/etc it.

Okay. I apologize for answering Petey's "question."

This is an example of how screwed up this board is. A dude asks a question. A poster answers it. Then, he gets reprimanded for answering the said question.

Look..............I don't care if you guys love Mayfield. I don't like the dude. I am not trying to change any one's mind and have kept very quiet about how disappointed I am w/the pick.

I do NOT want to get into the same old stupid board wars that tab is trying to start. We all have our opinions.

So be it.

j/c


If "measureables" are the reason why a quarterback succeeds then we wouldn't have traded Kizer away.

Or would've kept Weeden lol.

I can answer both questions. Measurables are not the only way we measure a qb. However, if a poster asks a question about physical measurables, then I presume it's okay to answer said question.

I provided information along with an observation. How in the world is this a reprimand and screwing up the board?

I answered a direct question. You left that out.

I still don't like the Mayfield pick. Like trying to teach a dirt track racer how to drive an Indy car. Lets hope he's a fast learner.

You're simply playing games. This is part of the reason that I haven't replied to a post of yours in over a year. Have at it; I'm out...

Baker Mayfield suffers some hard knocks in first open Browns OTA

Updated 8:37 PM; Posted 5:29 PM

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/05/baker_mayfield_suffers_some_ha.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- With the Hard Knocks cameras capturing his every move, No. 1 pick Baker Mayfield had a rocky first organized team activities practice open to the media.

Mayfield, third on the depth chart behind Tyrod Taylor and Drew Stanton, threw three interceptions in the 105-minute practice, and had another two passes that were almost picked off. But two of the three picks went off receivers' hands and weren't really Mayfield's fault.

In 11-on-11 goal line drills, a pass at the left side of the end zone went off Seth DeValve's hands and into those of fourth-year defensive back Derron Smith for the first of Smith's two picks. In a subsequent team drill from the offense's 30, safety Jabrill Peppers dropped a Mayfield pass intended for tight end David Njoku over the middle, near midfield.



"Kind of tried to get a little highlight play instead of going up there and getting it, but still should have caught it,'' said Peppers. "It is what it is."

In a 7-on-7 drill, Mayfield was picked off by linebacker James Burgess on a 20-yard pass over the middle, and two reps later, his 30-yarder to Evan Berry went off the receiver's hands and was almost swiped.

Finally, on the last snap of the day, Mayfield's pass was tipped by cornerback T.J. Carrie and picked off by Smith, who was all-Berea, as former Browns coach Butch Davis used to say.

But it appears the Browns are working with Mayfield on specific things, including the dangerous territory over the middle. What's more, he's learning to operate from under center, which he did just seven of 1,047 snaps last year at Oklahoma.

But Mayfield also flashed some of the ability that made him the No. 1 draft pick.

He threw a touchdown pass in the back left corner to rookie tight end Julian Allen in team goal-line drills, and completed a 15-yard slant to fellow rookie Damion Ratley over the middle in a team period.

In 7-on-7s, he hit Njoku in stride about 30 yards down the right side, and the second-year tight end ran it in for a touchdown. In a later team drill, Mayfield, operating under center, pump-faked and delivered a perfect intermediate ball to tight end Devon Cajuste.

All in all, it was the kind of up-and-down day one would expect from a rookie, but he's also working primarily with the second- and third-team offense.

Jackson stuck to his plan to make Mayfield work his way up from No. 3 on the depth chart. He also re-iterated that the Hard Knocks crew, which began filming Wednesday, will not alter his plans for the quarterback rotation, and that the show won't stir up a controversy.

"Tyrod's our starting quarterback. Baker's our No. 1 pick," he said. "He's our quarterback of the future. I've said that since this happened. I don't think that will change. I want those guys to be exposed for what they do, because I think our fans want to know them and what makes them tick. But at the same time, I don't think it should put any more pressure on what we need to do as a football team about who's playing quarterback for us.''

While Mayfield had some growing pains, Taylor looked comfortable and in control. He ran in for a TD on the goal line, and completed several other nice passes, including a deep ball to Rashard Higgins in an 11-on-11 period.

Oh, holy smokes... real football news!!

I will not wish the summer away, but it is nice to hear reports coming in from them being on the field.

I want the kid to step up and take his lumps. Get some film and learn from it.