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Anybody who says they even have a remote clue about when or how many games he may or may not start this year is blowing so much smoke up my ass that I suspect it looks like a steam engine back there.....  How about giving the kid at least a week in practice and some time in a real game before we give him the keys to Canton. 
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Deisel,, to the best of my knowledge, he's not even in town yet. My understanding is he's headed here now... But hey, that info is 2 hours old.. Take it for what it's worth
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"When we think he's ready, we'll put him in," Crennel said. "If we think he's ready for two plays Saturday, he might get two plays. They'll be plays that are probably pretty simple -- handoffs."
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I think we need to wait for the details to all come out first, but it looks like the Browns and Brady pretty much split the difference on his gaureenteed money, and moved on the total value of the contract more than Quinn did. It's not the contract that Quinn wanted, and it's not the one the Browns wanted so I guess it's a win, win situation for everybody
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Great!! Glad it's over!
So now he's the backup to the backup.
Make him carry somebody's equipment for a day or two.
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I told you guys Quinn would hold out for Top 10 money and he did.
Man, I must have missed the thing that caused QB's picked in the 20's to get so much money since Rogers was drafted.
Brady Quinn - #22 pick in 2007
5 years
20.2 million
7.75 million guaranteed
Contract could be worth as much as 30 million if Quinn meets all incentives
Aaron Rogers - #24 pick in 2005
5 years
7.7 million
5.4 million guaranteed
Contract could be worth as much as 30 million if Rogers met all incentives
JP Losman - #22 pick in 2004
5 years
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Contract could go as high as 24.5 million if Losman met all incentives
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Good read P.....no wonder the kid held out.
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Who really cares? All that matters is garauntee'd money... and what we gave Brady was right in line with other QB's picked in that range. This is a fair and fine deal.
He's only going to get all that money if he proves to be a non BUST. And if he is lighting it up do you really think people will be saying we overpayed? You wont hear a peep from anyone.
If he sucks, he's not going to get the money. So its a win win situation for the Browns.
Would you rather us bring him in on a crap contract (ala Larry Johnson) then have him light it up and then hold out (ala Larry Johnson) when we have no suitable backup..?
Seems fair to me... if your good, get paid. If not, rip up the contract, take ur bonus for getting drafted and get the hell out. This how they all should be.
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Who really cares? All that matters is garauntee'd money... and what we gave Brady was right in line with other QB's picked in that range. This is a fair and fine deal.
He's only going to get all that money if he proves to be a non BUST. And if he is lighting it up do you really think people will be saying we overpayed? You wont hear a peep from anyone.
If he sucks, he's not going to get the money. So its a win win situation for the Browns.
Would you rather us bring him in on a crap contract (ala Larry Johnson) then have him light it up and then hold out (ala Larry Johnson) when we have no suitable backup..?
Seems fair to me... if your good, get paid. If not, rip up the contract, take ur bonus for getting drafted and get the hell out. This how they all should be.
Sorry pal, he's basically guaranteed 20 million. Do you really think we are going to cut him before his contract is up? Even if he's a complete bust he'll be here 4 out of the 5 years, which means he's probably taking home at least 16 million.
If Quinn isn't a superstar then he just robbed us.
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I am sure he will get his stuff together and either arrive in Cleveland later tonight or sometime in the morning.
Barring any last second glitches, he should be at practice tomorrow afternoon.
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With That 20 Million, He Can Buy Chuck Some QuarterBack Lessons JEALOUSY At Its Finest Folks 
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Tell that to Ryan Leaf.
I'm not calling him Leaf, just simply stating that it can and it HAS happened.
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It's about Bleepin' Time!!! grrrrr  JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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PEEN has the respect of many on this site. Which is more than you have accomplished.
BQ will not change the teams future just by showing up. BUT he is and or could be an intregal part of a much more successful Browns Team. As for what he can do immediately, He will put pressure on CF and DA to bring their A games. I do KNOW that BQ will bring his A game to every snap, on the field or off. He has done that since high school.
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Mensa ??? is that you?
LOL
Give me a break, mensa is very knowledgable but PEEN, DIAM, TOAD... and a few others make this board worth coming to. BTW I haven't seen much of that little hoping frog lately... I hope all is well.
Now thats about all I have to say about that... don't take this for brown nosing 'cause I read this board daily and have for several years...
I don't post alot because this is more of an info source than a lifestyle for me.
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I am glad that he is on his way.
But before you start judging the contract...shouldn't you at least know what the incentives is and how the money is divided up?
It is semi-retarded to make judgments about a deal that we barley know anything about.
We probably will not end up paying 30 million but will probably end up paying around 20...
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Contract Details
The Browns agreed to terms with Frye on a four-year, $5 million contract on July 27, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
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If what P-dawg posted is close to the facts, it is a far cry from what everybody was moaning about.
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About freaking time. I want to fly to Cleveland to kick Brady in the arse for taking so long. 
My sentiments exactly Romeo is not a happy camper so he has a lot to prove to get
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The guy is guaranteed $7.75 million. Until he starts hitting escalators, that's all he gets. That's not top 10 money. If he he sits for two years, like Pennington, he's going to have issues hitting those parts of his contract.
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Peenie...so your just waiting to trash one of our Browns?
Let me tell you something Peenie, might be better for you to find another team if that is your attitude.
Screw you.....I am talking about all the people who have been bashing him during this process.
Go back to sleep or crawl back under whatever rock you have been under for the past few months...
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PEENIE WROTE...Good to hear.
Now we can get past the BS and wait for him to play before we trash him.
Peenie...nice spin, but I'm not buying it.
Like I said, we have seen your game before.
My take on your words above is your waiting for Quinn to play before you "trash" him.
Kind of like you already have a mind set to trash the kid???
I don't see any other way to interpret the sentence, peenie.
I've seen evidence to suggest Peen means to wait until Brady stinks up the field to trash him. You may be right, but I don't think your case is airtight.
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I can only hope that Quinn hits every one of the escalators and gets the full value of his deal.
Why.... Then that would mean that the QB saga in Cleveland would finally be over.
Chuck or Anderson could hit their esclators too, and that would not bother me either.
I just want the Browns to resolve this issue.
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I'm guessing the extra 10 million or some parts of it can be earned whenever he hits certain incentives.
Yes,I'd say the incentives at certain levels can be hit at different times that will pay different magnitudes that will increase annually through year 5.
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That kinda thing can happen anytime.. year 1 or year 5 or at any point inbetween I would suppose.... right?
That's where the "structure" formula comes into play IMO But now I'll have to get into "pure speculation
" to give you an example of my point that I have no way of knowing if I'm even headed in the right direction. But I'll give a "Browns friendly" example of it. PLEASE keep in mind this is PURELY guess work since I have NO way to tell how these bonuses are structured. All-right?
Now I THINK we're talking about a "potential" 10 mil in incentives. I don't think Quinn got it "mostly based on playing time alone" as he wished. Nor do I think pro-bowls have a major bearing as Phil wished. So I'm going to play "middle ground" in my "guesswork".
Year 3 possible attainable goals that could be paid based on incentives..............
65% completions = 250k
2to1 TD vs INT ratio = 400k
60% playing time = 200k
Pro Bowl = 150k
Playoffs based on 70% playing time = 400k
SB appearance = 750k
Grand total of year three incentives 2.12 mil
Now as you can see,some of these goals are relatively attainable. Yet SOME would be MUCH harder to attain and some aren't likely. If he does reach them all,I think he earned these bonuses.
Now that still leaves almost 8 mil to be determined in years four and five. And I think year four,you will see these bonuses escilated,but SB wins may also be included at 1 mil. per year. So there's 3 mil of that almost 8 mil we'd all be THRILLED to see him earn!
So a structure such as this? Would we all really be so upset for him to reach them? I think we'll see the "majority" of these bonues "earned" not given away. And IF he's reaching them ALL,he'll earn the total value of the contract.
Like I said,I have to see how they're structured and escilated over time. But I'm sure the majority of these incentives won't be "give aways".
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I have been defending him through this entire contract process.
I don't get on players until they prove they don't have what it takes.
Mac just doesn't know what he is talking about.
It is one thing to have a brain fart....we all do from time to time....but to then stick to it with the ego as the motive rather than let it go or send a humble apology is another thing.
Forget him. I have.
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The guy is guaranteed $7.75 million. Until he starts hitting escalators, that's all he gets. That's not top 10 money. If he he sits for two years, like Pennington, he's going to have issues hitting those parts of his contract.
Correct...NOT TOP 10 BUCKS...
That ain't what it was about...MENZA...
Hopefully everything kicks in...Means we're in great shape QB wise...But 7.75M Guaranteed is NOT TOP 10 $$$...
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Glad he is signed and hope he hits his escalators.
To be honest I couldn't give a crap about the money. I hope he gets every cent.
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It's pretty simple Pit... The dude was 22...He and Condon both know what we want...They ain't playin' in 2009 for a lousy minimum base...That's where those "Escalators" come in...EXACTLY how it should be... Anyone questioning the playing time escalators is CRAZY...The playing time may start as early as the PITT game week one...But GUARANTEE IT'S GONNA HAPPEN... Quote:
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That's where the "structure" formula comes into play IMO But now I'll have to get into "pure speculation
" to give you an example of my point that I have no way of knowing if I'm even headed in the right direction. But I'll give a "Browns friendly" example of it. PLEASE keep in mind this is PURELY guess work since I have NO way to tell how these bonuses are structured. All-right?
Now I THINK we're talking about a "potential" 10 mil in incentives. I don't think Quinn got it "mostly based on playing time alone" as he wished. Nor do I think pro-bowls have a major bearing as Phil wished. So I'm going to play "middle ground" in my "guesswork".
Year 3 possible attainable goals that could be paid based on incentives..............
65% completions = 250k
2to1 TD vs INT ratio = 400k
60% playing time = 200k
Pro Bowl = 150k
Playoffs based on 70% playing time = 400k
SB appearance = 750k
Grand total of year three incentives 2.12 mil
Now as you can see,some of these goals are relatively attainable. Yet SOME would be MUCH harder to attain and some aren't likely. If he does reach them all,I think he earned these bonuses.
Now that still leaves almost 8 mil to be determined in years four and five. And I think year four,you will see these bonuses escilated,but SB wins may also be included at 1 mil. per year. So there's 3 mil of that almost 8 mil we'd all be THRILLED to see him earn!
So a structure such as this? Would we all really be so upset for him to reach them? I think we'll see the "majority" of these bonues "earned" not given away. And IF he's reaching them ALL,he'll earn the total value of the contract.
Like I said,I have to see how they're structured and escilated over time. But I'm sure the majority of these incentives won't be "give aways".
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I believe you're right. I was just giving an "example" of how they "may be structured". You know,some wouldn't be "difficult" to attain. But I think the vast majority will be "earned" based on top performances. Like the "2 to 1 TD to INT" incentive. If you're throwing at that type of ratio,I think it deserves a little padding in the wallet. SB bonuses? HELL YEAH! Playoff appearance based on 70% playing time" I'd buy that! It was just an "example" of "one year" in the overall contract to give an idea of how they could be structured in a "Browns Friendly" kind of way. Pure guesswork with only one of the five years (year three) as an example. JMHO
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j/c Okay... I am not a BQ pimp... I want the best man for the job to play... and if BQ is the best man I want him to play sooner rather than later. With that said I want to air my frustrations and get some feedback from all of you. RAC seems he will be true to his colors and sit BQ over his 'rookie/rookie not in camp' fetish. Don't get me wrong, I think Romeo deserves another year or two to prove himself to be a good HC, but this BS needs to end. With a draft deal that cost next years #1, this years #2 and what appears to be a healthy contract... added to the fact that BQ has been touted as ready for prime time by Charlie Weis and others... The last thing I want to hear is that BQ gets few snaps because Romeo wants to punish him for not being in camp on time! From the article linked to the front page of the main site: Quote:
"He's behind," Crennel said. "He has to catch up. He has to put in extra time and work extra to try to catch up. We're going to put him at the bottom of the chart and see where is.
"He will study. He's over here all day. He'll get here early and stay late. When you do that, you have a chance to learn. I believe that he's a smart kid also."
Crennel said he wouldn't rule out Quinn playing in Saturday night's preseason opener against Kansas City, but the Browns won't know for sure until they see him.
"When we think he's ready, we'll put him in," Crennel said. "If we think he's ready for two plays Saturday, he might get two plays. They'll be plays that are probably pretty simple -- handoffs."
Quinn's initial place in the quarterback derby will be fourth, clearly behind the top candidates to start, Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson. Crennel said Quinn will get his practice work "but not to the detriment of the guys who have been here."
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"but not to the detriment of the guys who have been here." Man this attitude infuriates me.
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VERY generous... and year 4, 5, if he is doing well.. he's gonna want a HUGE extension..
If he's earned it, I'd be happy to see him get it.
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I'm glad that is all done and over with!!!! IMO, BQ will be the best QB of the 4 in camp, but that doesn't make him our starter. He needs time to sit and learn.
For those who dislike BQ for his holdout and the autograph debacle, just shut up. Judge him by his play. For the person who calls him a "douche", you're classy. I bet you're the same drunk ass who boos EVERYBODY for EVERYTHING. I'm sick of being in the AFCN basement every year too. That's why I hope BQ is the answer.
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Stat man... Why are you throwing those, (more) useless stats at me???
All those stats are mostly different QB's on different teams and different years... So what exactly do they prove or disprove?
Why Browns only winning % stats on some of the QB's? Does that help you position or points as usual?
Other than TC, all the stats are on QB's on the downside of their careers or career backups. So…?
And not a single one of them has the size, skills, intangibles and upside of BQ. So…?
Garcia in Cleveland was in an offense not designed for any kind of success. He was not given the opportunity to call the game as he was in SF and Philly. In Detroit he was on a crappy team as he was in Cleveland and was not allowed to run and read the offense there either... What current QB runs the WCO better than JG? What present QB has had more success running the WCO than JG? So…?
Young and VT were young, on crappy teams with little to no support around them and had lousy coaches and suspect organizations leading the way.
SY, VT and JG all have things CF doesn't... Physical, mental, intangibles and leaderships skills he will never posses.
Standing pat with crap is worse than trying a new direction with size, skills, and quantifiable upside.
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Well, the decision has to be made now. You don't get to wait. Phil doesn't get to wait and see if the kid will be a superstar before he drafts him.
If we think it was a bad move to get him...then say it now. If we don't know, then we don't get to call them idiots later.
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Well, the decision has to be made now. You don't get to wait. Phil doesn't get to wait and see if the kid will be a superstar before he drafts him.
If we think it was a bad move to get him...then say it now. If we don't know, then we don't get to call them idiots later.
IF he flonders his entire career we don't get to call them idiots??? We have to say nope they were really really smart for getting them? Whatever...
personally I think he's going to be a great player and I have liked almost everything Savage has done since coming to Cleveland. So I'm cool with the FO overall. And I think Quinn is going to be at the very least be a solid QB if not an All-Pro.
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Who really cares? All that matters is garauntee'd money... and what we gave Brady was right in line with other QB's picked in that range. This is a fair and fine deal.
He's only going to get all that money if he proves to be a non BUST. And if he is lighting it up do you really think people will be saying we overpayed? You wont hear a peep from anyone.
If he sucks, he's not going to get the money. So its a win win situation for the Browns.
Would you rather us bring him in on a crap contract (ala Larry Johnson) then have him light it up and then hold out (ala Larry Johnson) when we have no suitable backup..?
Seems fair to me... if your good, get paid. If not, rip up the contract, take ur bonus for getting drafted and get the hell out. This how they all should be.
Sorry pal, he's basically guaranteed 20 million. Do you really think we are going to cut him before his contract is up? Even if he's a complete bust he'll be here 4 out of the 5 years, which means he's probably taking home at least 16 million.
If Quinn isn't a superstar then he just robbed us.
We all know you have an obsession with Frye, but stop trying to make Quinn look like some backstabbing punk, if it was robbing us then the Browns didn't have to agree to the deal.
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