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40: I don't like it when the men don't stand during the song. It offends me. They need to stand, or my feelings will be hurt...where was I? Oh, yeah, sissy half men.

No you won't. You have no intention of listening to any of us. Not Swish, not DC, not me... and certainly not any of the players in question.

And that is why I'm not having this debate with you.

Your trollish style of deflection, distraction and obfuscation makes constructive discourse impossible.

So now, you and I will be reduced to trolling each other, because that's really all you're good for any more. I've had 3 good convos with willit without your input, and plan to have more. He engaged me with real talk, instead of your usual brand of lame platitudes, hackneyed talking points and vaccuous half-formed, intellectually-bereft dross and dreck.

It's high time I cease wasting my time and interact with those who have something of value to contribute.


Later, 'Master Baiter.'

By all means please return to your weeping over Primadonna, entitled, multi millionaires while the kneel on the grave of a once great game.

He's not the one weeping, buddy.

You libs should lay off the tough talk. It doesn't suit you. lol

You seem to have a hang up for 'internet tough guys'... I think you think you are a tough guy. Pfft, most likely not.

And calling me t the 30 year old was great! Thanks for that. I'm mid 50s and I'm not only an internet tough guy, I'm one in real life too. Just ask that splinter.

And down goes the ship...

NFL anthem policy: petition asks Nike, Ford to cut ties with league

An online petition is calling for several of the NFL’s top corporate sponsors to cut ties with the league after it banned players this week from kneeling in protest during the national anthem.

The petition, filed on social activism platform Care2 and backed by its advocacy team, specifically calls on Nike, Anheuser-Busch, Bose, Ford, Hyundai and Under Armour to end their work with the NFL.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/nfl...ies-with-league

Money > Petitions

j\c I still don't know what they are kneeling for hating police, hating the flag hating the U.S, getting kapernics job back or just hating America even tho they have success beyond their wildest dreams, but I feel they have the right to protest.

Amazing concept isn't it ? It ain't about freedom of speech , social activism et... It's about , like Eve said , the bottom line and getting back the fans . They figure the $$ spending ones outweigh the disgruntled ones .

I'm not interested in exploring the direction you wish to take this discussion.

Neither is anyone else,it seems.

Enjoy your status as "This Thread's Mr. Irrelevant."

Mr. Russian Bot is more like it. All most all his posts are alt-right provocative and 90% memes, vids, hate articles with zero fact based content. I have no issue with an extreme view because most of the trumpians think I'm extreme; but quality over quantity would be nice, something based in reality even nicer.

Come on man, you blabber on about Trump in threads that have nothing to do with Trump.

Such as this one.

It's like he torments your mind so much that it's literally the only thing that can come out of your mouth.

It would be nice to see some other facet of your personality once in a while. Because you seem to be a cool dude.

Just too much Trump-diarrhea-of-the-mouth.

What are you talking about? Did you forget that Trump politicized this issue by tweeting a bunch of hate at the NFL and ranting about it at his rallies? The owners were fully supporting players before that.

All Trump did in this situation is the same thing he did with many other topics that got him elected ....

He said what millions upon millions of Americans felt that no one else in politics would say ... a lot of things were in the shadows before Trump shoved them down your throats by bringing them into our living rooms every day ....

And dude ... this one was allready boiling ... he added a little heat but it was ALL READY hot enough ...

Mr. President OWNS all U guys and U don’t even know it ... u guys are as obsessed with Trump as a 15 year old girl is with the current teen heartthrobe ...

Obsessed? lmao

I might really want somebody to prove he's not robbing the country blind, destroying our country, and not guilty of working with Russians or others to steal the election; but definitely not obsessed.

I talk with you guys in here but most of the rest of my day is Trump free. I watch Youtube news clips during breaks from coding or just in free time because I usually miss the evening news. And I read a bunch of headlines everyday on politics, sports, current world events, and hacker news; so when I see a good one I post it.

Still not obsessed by a long shot. BUT I will admit that unless somebody proves to me he's innocent of all the left thinks he's guilty of, I do want to see him out of office. Not in jail necessarily, not hurt in any way, just out of office. I think he is a danger to the country in multiple ways.

I also don't care if he's replaced by Pence or another Republican, but unless he's completely innocent I want him gone. That is not an obsession, that's a mission.

You literally started a thread the other day called "How about President Trump", the sole purpose of which was to fawn over an elderly crybaby who spends his entre life throwing tantrums at various milquetoast television personalities being mean and unfair to him.

Wow, you're pretty oblivious, or maybe you just don't care to know or listen.

In my opinion, they're kneeling to raise awareness for the injustices against minorities, not anything selfish for themselves. They're using their national spotlight platform to raise awareness about racial mistreatment from police and society in general. They're not whining about their personal lives.

I'll leave it at that, and not get into whether or not they're disrespecting this or that. You stated that you don't know what they're kneeling for, well I told you. At least that's how I see it. It's a broad generalization of how I see it, but I think it's fairly accurate.

OWNERS of Millions of companies pull the strings and guess what happens
"Dance, Black man, dance."
this or course also happens Dance White man Dance
Dance yellow man dance
Dance red man dance
Dance black woman dance
Dance white woman dance
Dance yellow woman dance
Dance red woman dance.

WHen the owner says dance you either dance or get fired.

No, apparently you work to destroy the product the owners own.

Unless you have things like contracts and unions. Seems a lot of people keep forgetting about that.

How is a group of oversensitive FOX News grandpas filling their diapers because a handful of players didn't stand for a song "destroying the product"?

With all of this overwrought "they're ruining a once great game" blubbering you're doing, one would think the players had advocated for eliminating the forward pass.

Hey man, there is this little thing called outside. Its beautiful this time of year, I would suggest getting out and seeing it, much better HD quality than your computer screen

Yet here you are.

We have been having good back and forth lately, wanted to see if we can keep it going...

Ramon Foster of the Steelers was asked about this, and he said something to the effect of "we are not going to do anything to rock the boat, but its a shame that we have to worry about getting fined or losing our jobs over it" (paraphrasing).

I know this was one person's thoughts, but I think statements like this is hurting the overall concept of what they are trying to get across. If he felt so strongly about it, why is he afraid of a fine and losing his job? It should be above that right? Heck, I have even in the past on this board given CK credit, dude has stood his ground. He was offered a job as long he didn't kneel and he basically said "nope". anyone can disagree with him and why he's kneeling, but you gotta give the man credit for standing up for his beliefs. Fosters comments make it seem like he doesn't really believe in it, at least to me. What say you?

What i want t know is other than kneeling on sundays ... what else is he doing ... is he giving of his time? .. is he going to schools with cops? .. is he setting up or attending events trying to bring the cops and the black community together? ...

Show me the guys doing that stuff ... i’d still disagree with them kneeling but at least i could RESPECT THEM and it would show me they actually cared more about their cause ...

Donating moneys a start .. NOT ENOUGH in this situation ... NOT NEARLY ENOUGH ... throwing money at a problem like this doesnt solve it ... we need the players hand in hand with the cops to give the cops cred ...

The NFL could have turned this into a PR Bonanza if they did the right thing coming out of those meetings ... and more importantly it would been the RIGHT THING TO DO for everyone involved .... so far we’ve seen ZERO TANGIBLE RESULTS from that meeting ...

And now they’ve made it worse ...

Clem said to u earlier ... he said there plan is working and U and him talking is proof of that ... u guys have been having good civil debate witch is great to see ...

But CLEM .. u guys have not discussed the actual issues ... not one word uttered about solving the problem or even actually discussing the issue ... its all been about the kneeling ...

I really hope the NFL announces soon a collaborative effort with the players where the nfl sponsors all types of community events with players and cops attending .... Every year u see players buying under privaledged kids back packs and school supplies ... do that with cops there handing stuff out ... lots of players hold free clinics for the underprivaledged ... have cops at those helping out ..

They could hire a person to coordinate school visits with cops and players ...

I don’t think its gonna happen ... if it did .. that’d be a GREAT END RESULT to a bad situation ...

I know I wasn't invited into the fray but we have had some pretty good conversations before as well at times.

First let me say that these protests have hurt the NFL's bottom line. That's not really up for debate. I do believe the bulk of that came from it being politicized by Trump. I mean when you're the president and call people you oppose S.O.B.'s, that's done to do nothing more than anger your base.

I don't really see your point as being all that valid. As a parent I've always put the life of my children first. To give them the best life I could afford them. I would never let my personal feelings of anything get in the way of that no matter how strongly I felt about it.

When it comes to a choice of my personal views and my family, my family always comes first. The sad part is when society dictates that's a choice you have to make.

I think there are a lot of guys (foster maybe one of them) that just want to play football, but they also want to have their teammates backs, and now they are in a hard pressed position.

They made their bed ...

Its not specifically him .. its anyone kneeling or supporting it ..

Take a REAL ACTION to solve the problem not some symbolic gesture once a week that has had ZERO TANGIBLE RESULTS that i know of to solve the problem ... or just donating some money ...

I sort of agree and disagree with you on this. Yes, I think they should of brought the players in on these talks and given them a voice. And Yes, I think the players have valid concerns and should be heard and allowed a voice. However, its still all boils down to this being a company policy and them doing this on company time, while affecting the "goods and services" of the company.

I could have a valid cause myself that I want to push. I work for a company that has a large website with lots of traffic. That doesn't mean I can use that web-site platform to push my own political cause. I would likely be fired. They would be justified. Arguments like, "Well I have the platform to do it, so I should be allowed" or "My freedom of speech shouldn't be stifled" wouldn't fly.

Yes, the NFL provides a platform that few have to voice issues that need to be heard by the masses. But it's still a product that they are trying to sell to customers, and the owners of that business should have the right to protect that, shouldn't they? That's how it is for everybody else.

What the NFL also provides is notoriety that few others in the world have. That is what players should be leveraging to promote their causes. JJ Watt raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for hurricane victims through social media outlets. He didn't do it by standing on the sidelines during the game with a sign telling people to go visit his charity website. This is the angle players should be using to promote their cause. Not poisoning the waterhole, so-to-speak.

On a side note, I completely disagree with the "shut-up and dribble" mentality. Guys SHOULD have a voice and be allowed to fight for causes they believe in. I think Lebron does essentially the same kind of thing the NFL players are trying to do, but the correct way. He does what his employer asks of him, doesn't affect the product, but still uses the notoriety he gets from the NBA to expresses his opinions to the masses. That's essentially the same rules that everyone else in the country play by.

How is not standing during a song a controversial political belief?

It actually didn't even start as kneeling. Kaepernick sat on the bench for the song 3 times without incident before a reporter even asked him about it.

This is a very direct and thought out analogy. I agree with you.

Anyother good argument and case of how it works.

JJ Watt has 5.47 MILLION followers on twitter alone. CK has 1.8 MILLION

I would argue that it would better to use THAT platform to get a message out.

The NFL has a right to say - you are now famous for being in this league yes, but it is still OUR platform, and you are not permitted to use to it. They have that right.

The players have every right to use any other platform they can that will allow them too.

Hey darkie, don’t protest his way, protest that way.

Hey darkie, protest this way, that way I have the ability to ignore all of it, because when you protest in a way I don’t like, I’m forced to actually pay attention to it, and I really don’t care all that much about police brutality because it doesn’t affect me whatsoever.

You and Excl are making it clear I could never kick with you two in real life. Talk about soft.

To me it's hard to argue that the league has the right to implement rules serendipitously when the players have a union and a collective bargaining agreement.

It's not the rule per say that I necessarily disagree with. It's the fact that there was no input from the NFLPA. I find it hard to believe you can change what's expected from the players without some kind of negotiation with the union.

I agree, the NFLPA should have been allowed to present their case into consideration, that is a shame they were not allowed. But even if it was presented, it is still the leagues business to decide whatever they wish as the employer.

I'd actually have to see how the contract is written before I could say they have some right to decide whatever they want in regards to the conduct of their employees. In today world, with right to work states, most of the power of employees has been diminished to the point they have zero say.

But where there are unions and contracts are concerned, it's not that cut and dry.

I know you get a kick out of suppressing minority voices.

You are making it extremely clear that you have no idea what your talking about and cannot take your emotions out of logical thinking.

I have said many times on this board, I could care less what the players do or protest, it doesn't effect me. I am speaking more so to the legalities and the rights of the business. But you ASSumptions and hate blind you from seeing that.