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Like parents making their kids go to bible study and getting Baptized?

We seem to be on different wave lengths with regards to what parents should or shouldn’t allow their kids to do.

If you’re cool with parents forcing heir kids to go to church, then I don’t see what the problem is with a parent allowing their kids do dress like this and identify with whatever they feel.

Also, I didn’t see anywhere in this link where it said this kid was taking hormones.

You're right. We should electrocute the boy until he learns that gender is binary.

And if that doesn’t work, we should send that kid to a conversion camp. Running around with other little shirtless boys will really do the trick!!!

I don't have a problem with allowing a kid to dress a certain way, but I have seen countless articles about giving kids hormones, and that was what I was referring too.

That is a very good point. In a simple way of thinking so as to not over think it I would say that if your rebuking out of love it's OK. If your just nagging because you're annoyed, disgruntled, and ticked off because they don't change then you should just stop and walk away. If your just doing it because your full of yourself then you should also walk away.

Rebuking isn't supposed to be a constant thing. It follows a set of rules. When you can't work it out yourself then you take it to the church elders. If they can't solve it then you bring it to the entire church assembly. If it still can't be resolved because they refuse to give up their sinful ways then they are to be removed from the church until they do change their ways.

If they are not christians then there is no point rebuking them because they won't have the Spirit of God inside them to give them the understanding of their wrongs. Instead you should focus on just giving them love and showing them how Jesus loves them and is merciful. Instead of rebuking them with words, rebuke them by living your life the way you should and let your example be a light unto their path.

Proverbs 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words.

That being said when they ask be blunt and honest. Don't mince words. Just remind them that you love them anyways. Keep your door open for when they are ready to change on their own.

Actually Natives would tend to agree with me. So would most Asians. It's not European to separate Animal Behavior from Spiritual Behavior. Most intelligent civilizations understand that we are all animals but that what makes us Human is our spirit that helps us to rise above our animal instincts and self destructive tendencies.

Your flesh desires physical pleasure of any kind, to eat, to feel euphoric, and to pursue appetites. Giving into this tends to lead to illigitage children and being a drug addict. It can also make you overprotective to the point you give up your family to make surrogate families that protect your ability to live for your pleasure. Anyone who has worked with troubled teens will have seen this pattern many times.

Your spirit desires a purpose in life beyond just being alive. It seeks out love, family, and closeness to God(whatever form it takes for you). It provides you with inner peace and confidence that your doing what is right. It's not enough to survive but instead we must LIVE.

I grew up studying Kung Fu so to me talking about Chi, Ying and Yang, and the soul is not specialized to Christian thinking. I've spent plenty of time with Native Americans, Hindu, Buddhist, and Taoist. I've not spent much time with Shinto though. All of these religions are there because the human animal has spiritual needs.

There are plenty of people who do nothing but live like animals and sacrifice their humanity to do so. The Spirit doesn't thrive when we give in to our animal desires. We have to overcome and rise above them to find our true callings as human beings. Christian or not that fact doesn't change.

Actually a lot of earlier faiths, especially Hindu, prescribe drug use as a way to connect to the spiritual world.

True and research is actively being done on LSD and it's supposed gateway effects of opening up the mind. I've been fascinated by the research even if I am not willing to test it out. Cocaine was also heavily used thousands of years ago as a spiritual conduit but I think it becomes more along the lines of the rich being able to afford another physical pleasure.

Still working on my own bro.

If you're ever looking for more research, Stanislav Grof and Terrence McKenna are the premier writers on LSD. A Really Good Day is also an interesting book about LSD, as it's main concern is microdosing (taking a small enough dose that the user will not experience sensory hallucinations, but will feel the cognitive effects of the drug). Next time I can score some acid, I'll make sure to drop an extra tab in your honor

My replies are not "just" to you, and in fact, that one was just an expansion on another post.

I am often amused at how some people don't want people to share their faith, but they feel perfectly fine sharing theirs. (or their lack thereof) The ,message board will get awfully quiet if we all say "I hear you. I have heard you. I understand what you're saying. Now can we please just talk about something else"

I find it odd that your father is throwing his relationship with your siblings away, yet they are not. It takes 2 to make, or break, a relationship. I finally allowed the Lord to heal my relationship with my father, and that was a 35 year schism, created when he left his wife and 3 sons. i am so happy that He did. I have gotten to know my dad again, and that's a truly wonderful thing.

I hope that your siblings will not throw that away. I can also say that he is looking out for them, according to his beliefs.

We will all stand before the Lord one day, and either we will have accepted His grace, and forgiveness, or we will have not. There are eternal consequences in both cases.

As far as Christ's teachings, He said that he came to set father against son, and mother against daughter, meaning that some would believe and others would not, and that it will cause problems. Does that surprise you? Unfortunately, that's the way it is. Faith is vitally important to those who truly believe. In the end, faith, or lack thereof, will be supremely important.

Here is the section I referenced:


Matthew 10: 32-39; 32“Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. 33“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35“For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.

37“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38“And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39“He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

God expects us to love Him above all else. He expects us to love Him first in our lives. Many people do have trouble with this idea. God loves us, and he expects us to love Him. He will never force us to do so, though. He will always walk with us, whispering in our ears, saying "My child, please come back to me", but if we don't, then we have made that decision.

I also want to address your situation. You said that you don't see why you can't have a relationship with someone you love, outside of marriage. Well, that is addressed in the Bible, as I noted in my post that you replied to, but it is also a matter of seeing that as the reason you might be condemned, when it really isn't "the" reason. Refusing to accept Christ is. Refusing to repent of your sins is. The rest is minutia, and simply gets lost in a laundry list of other sins we all commit. God is willing to forgive everything we have done, and everything we ever will do, if only we will come to Him with a contrite heart, ask for His forgiveness, and accept His Grace. A natural consequence of this is that we will try to make our relationships into ones that model what Christ taught .... but that's the result, not the cause. "Being married" will not get you into heaven. Going to church will not get you into heaven. Coming into right relationship with God is the only thing that will do so.

I will leave this now, but I can make no promises if I see another post that I feel I can contribute to. I don't do this to aggravate you, or irritate you. I truly don't. I do this so that maybe you, or someone else who reads this, can see the wonderful gift of forgiveness He has available for anyone who will just humble themselves, and Him ask for it.

I hope that everyone will do so, because I hate to think of anyone being condemned.

Only because all of the adults around him insist on lying to him in the name of "fun".

“My replies are not "just" to you, and in fact, that one was just an expansion on another post.

I am often amused at how some people don't want people to share their faith, but they feel perfectly fine sharing theirs. (or their lack thereof) The ,message board will get awfully quiet if we all say "I hear you. I have heard you. I understand what you're saying. Now can we please just talk about something else"

I find it odd that your father is throwing his relationship with your siblings away, yet they are not. It takes 2 to make, or break, a relationship. ”


My response wasn’t necessarily to just you either. It was meant as a general response to the conflict between two people with idealogical differences.
I didn’t mean to imply stifling conversation here. My intent was to demonstrate where ones beliefs can become overwhelming to another with a different belief system. At s certain point a line has to be drawn...I hear you. I’ve heard you. Can we move past this topic of conversation?...
If not it becomes brow beating. No one wants to be brow beaten. Especially by someone that calls themselves a friend or family.

As to my father and my siblings. The bridges have been burned and rebuilt and burned countless times. At this point my father owns the last bridgr closure. A relationship is a two way street but he’s chosen to put up a roadblock that frankly my sibling no longer feel the need to mend anymore. Their lives are less stressful and more fulfilling without him at this point. I can’t blame them for feeling that way.
He’s my dad. I love the guy. Even if I have little in common with him anymore except a life history, a love of his record collection, and genes.

Yep.. sad that my kids are grown, can't wait to lie to my grandkids.

Genitalia doesn't typically lie....just saying...(unless it is talking about keeping your doctor)

I hope you don't mind that I have prayed for him, and for you and your siblings.

All good. I pray for us all too. But I also understand things are what they are for a reason and while I pray for change I don’t expect it at all. Actually I have very little hope for it. I’ve accepted it. Much as I’ve accepted my dad for who he is. He’s not a bad man. Don’t get me wrong. I just feel he’s misguided. Not in his faith, but in how he puts it in practice.