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So you don't think, that if you can make to the booth that day of the election, you couldn't in 712 days fine another hour to take to register before hand?

Obviously, you don't know what your talking about. Besides any citizen should be able to register to vote at the polls on voting day with proper identification. Many states already allow registration at the polls on voting day. Many of the GOP leadership in Ohio want to legally make it harder for citizens to vote. It's all the GOP has these days. Gerrymandering and to help eliminate the opposition from voting.

I have no problem with making sure voters are legal and show identification. But to systematically target opposition votes by removing registered voters in Ohio from the rolls with no way to re-register on voting day is unconstitutional. Ohio needs to have voting registration on voting day at all polls now. If not this is a obvious unconstitutional law awarded to the Ohio GOP leadership by the SC.

So...you don't get notified, but you get a postcard of notification. Talk about a comment being "rich".

My right to 'bear arms' requires me to have a concealed carry permit. I have to take a class and qualify to get one...AND...I have to re-new my license every five years. Every time I buy a firearm, I get a background check...every single time.

No ones' right to vote is being taken away. The Ohio law applies to both conservative and liberal voters.

hmmm, didn't they just vote it was ......

What are you blabbering about now?

I will not be answering your hypothetical question

that would be because you do not have 1 logical response for it. if you can make it to the booth to vote on the day of election, you can take an hour to register in the 711 days before said election.

Yes, people are often forced to give up their constitutional rights due to a punishment, not because they did not exercise their right.

I have to be responsible when exercising my second amendment right...I don't get to do whatever I please without consequences. Same with my first amendment rights. Being responsible with your right to vote makes sense as well.

A postcard IS notification. You are building your case on the off chance that someone - who hasn't voted in years - gets his postcard in the morning on his way to the polls and loses the right to vote THAT DAY. Ridiculous.

Do you get a postcard when your driver's license is about to expire? Do you get a postcard when the speed limit changes on the road you are on? Do you get a postcard telling you your password has expired? Do you get a postcard telling you NOT to stick your finger in an electrical outlet?

No one is being forced to give up their right to vote.

Your question is so nonsensically based that not only does it reject logic, it doesn't even know what it is. The 2 year period, the focus on fall elections, and the idea you can register to vote the day of, are all your crazy ideas that are no where near the case. Now you want me to do psychoanalyze a nonvoter in your dystopia? That's YOUR job.


I will destroy you with 1 logic tho.
How are you supposed to register to vote when you didn't realize you were purged from the voter registration?

Do you know how purges work? You don't get notified when you have been purged from the voting rolls. In fact, the way they purge you from the roll is by sending you a postcard that you must send in to not be purged?

You already answered your question. They are notified BY POSTCARD they are going to be purged, and can reply to keep that from happening. Keyword NOTIFIED. Weird, I don't feel "destroyed"....I feel rather the same, indifferent to your ramblings.

In sum, §6(d), just like §§8(a) and 8(c), indicates that the
State, as an initial matter, must use a reasonable method
to identify a person who has likely moved and then must
send that person a confirmatory notice that will in effect
give him a “last chance” to remain on the rolls. And these
provisions thus tend to deny, not to support, the majority’s
suggestion that somehow sending a “last chance” notice is
itself a way (other than nonvoting) to identify someone
who has likely moved.
I concede that some individuals who have, in fact,
moved do, in fact, send a return card back to the State
making clear that they have moved. And some registrants
do send back a card saying that they have not moved.
Thus, the Confirmation Procedure will sometimes help
provide confirmation of what the initial identification
procedure is supposed to accomplish: finding registrants
12 HUSTED v. A. PHILIP RANDOLPH INSTITUTE
BREYER, J., dissenting
who have probably moved. But more often than not, the
State fails to receive anything back from the registrant,
and the fact that the State hears nothing from the registrant
essentially proves nothing at all.
Anyone who doubts this last statement need simply
consult figures in the record along with a few generally
available statistics. As a general matter, the problem
these numbers reveal is as follows: Very few registered
voters move outside of their county of registration. But
many registered voters fail to vote. Most registered voters
who fail to vote also fail to respond to the State’s “last
chance” notice. And the number of registered voters who
both fail to vote and fail to respond to the “last chance”
notice exceeds the number of registered voters who move
outside of their county each year.
Consider the following facts. First, Ohio tells us that a
small number of Americans—about 4% of all Americans—
move outside of their county each year. Record 376. (The
majority suggests the relevant number is 10%, ante, at 2,
but that includes people who move within their county.)
At the same time, a large number of American voters fail
to vote, and Ohio voters are no exception. In 2014, around
59% of Ohio’s registered voters failed to vote. See Brief for
League of Women Voters et al. as Amici Curiae 16, and
n. 12 (citing Ohio Secretary of State, 2014 Official Election
Results).
Although many registrants fail to vote and only a small
number move, under the Supplemental Process, Ohio uses
a registrant’s failure to vote to identify that registrant as a
person whose address has likely changed. The record
shows that in 2012 Ohio identified about 1.5 million registered
voters—nearly 20% of its 8 million registered voters—as
likely ineligible to remain on the federal voter roll
because they changed their residences. Record 475. Ohio
then sent those 1.5 million registered voters subsubsection
(d) “last chance” confirmation notices. In response to
Cite as: 584 U. S. ____ (2018) 13
BREYER, J., dissenting
those 1.5 million notices, Ohio only received back about
60,000 return cards (or 4%) which said, in effect, “You are
right, Ohio. I have, in fact, moved.” Ibid. In addition,
Ohio received back about 235,000 return cards which said,
in effect, “You are wrong, Ohio, I have not moved.” In the
end, however, there were more than 1,000,000 notices—the
vast majority of notices sent—to which Ohio received back
no return card at all. Ibid.
What about those registered voters—more than 1 million
strong—who did not send back their return cards? Is
there any reason at all (other than their failure to vote) to
think they moved? The answer to this question must be
no. There is no reason at all. First, those 1 million or so
voters accounted for about 13% of Ohio’s voting population.
So if those 1 million or so registered voters (or even
half of them) had, in fact, moved, then vastly more people
must move each year in Ohio than is generally true of the
roughly 4% of all Americans who move to a different county
nationwide (not all of whom are registered voters). See
Id., at 376. But there is no reason to think this. Ohio
offers no such reason. And the streets of Ohio’s cities are
not filled with moving vans; nor has Cleveland become the
Nation’s residential moving companies’ headquarters.
Thus, I think it fair to assume (because of the human
tendency not to send back cards received in the mail,
confirmed strongly by the actual numbers in this record)
the following: In respect to change of residence, the failure
of more than 1 million Ohio voters to respond to forwardable
notices (the vast majority of those sent) shows nothing
at all that is statutorily significant

The postcard notifies them that that they will be purged if they do not forward the postcard back or they do not vote in the next 2 years.

The postcard is not notification withinitself

Most registered voters
who fail to vote also fail to respond to the State’s “last
chance” notice. And the number of registered voters who
both fail to vote and fail to respond to the “last chance”
notice exceeds the number of registered voters who move
outside of their county each year.

"Here’s how the Ohio system works. If a voter misses a federal election, the voter is flagged as possibly having moved. The state then sends a postcard asking the voter to return it if he or she is still eligible at the old address. If the voter returns the card, that’s it. But if not, the name stays flagged—and if the voter then does not vote in either of the next two federal elections, the voter’s name is purged."

No one's right is being taken away.

Yes it is. What if a registered voter moves to another place in Ohio and the USPS screws up, like they are well known to do. The registered voter just unknowingly lost his voting rights. And now they won't be able to vote and cannot register on voting day.

Unconstitutional!

People do have a right not to vote in some elections and not loose their voting rights. Ohio GOP leaders are opening themselves to possible litigation on this.

That's quite the hypothetical instance there. Could happen for sure. However, the law "considers" that maintaining the integrity of the vote across the state is more important than a hypothetical situation that just might maybe happen and prevents a person from voting in that election. That's a mistake made by a human...not the forced sacrifice of one's right to vote.

Why is this a R vs D issue in your mind? Both R's & D's change addresses at times...both are subject to USPS screw-ups. This notion that this is a ploy by the GOP to eliminate D's voting rights is silliness.

If you move you have to update your drivers license, credit cards, etc...

Updating your Voting Registration is no different.

What if a registered voter moves to another place in Ohio and the USPS screws up, like they are well known to do. The registered voter just unknowingly lost his voting rights.

Your question is so nonsensically based that not only does it reject logic, it doesn't even know what it is. The 2 year period, the focus on fall elections, and the idea you can register to vote the day of, are all your crazy ideas that are no where near the case. Now you want me to do psychoanalyze a nonvoter in your dystopia? That's YOUR job.


I will destroy you with 1 logic tho.
How are you supposed to register to vote when you didn't realize you were purged from the voter registration?

That being said, if your denied at the polls then I have no problem with the courthouse being open to get you reregistered with proper documentation. Then again lazy and stupid people would probably choose to just not vote if they have to do that so .... win, win wink

Yes it is. What if a registered voter moves to another place in Ohio and the USPS screws up, like they are well known to do. The registered voter just unknowingly lost his voting rights. And now they won't be able to vote and cannot register on voting day.

Unconstitutional!

People do have a right not to vote in some elections and not loose their voting rights. Ohio GOP leaders are opening themselves to possible litigation on this.

Your logic is undeniable... well, except for the fact that in your scenario if Joe Six Pack moves to somewhere else in Ohio and did not update his info, he wouldn't be able to vote either because he wouldn't be registered in those voting districts.

What if I miss an election, get my card in the mail, return it as I'm supposed to, remain eligible to vote in that district.. then right before the election, I move and register in my new district.. and since they are very slow to keep up with these things, then I could be registered and vote in two districts for the same election...

Yes it is. What if a registered voter moves to another place in Ohio and the USPS screws up, like they are well known to do. The registered voter just unknowingly lost his voting rights. And now they won't be able to vote and cannot register on voting day.

Unconstitutional!

People do have a right not to vote in some elections and not loose their voting rights. Ohio GOP leaders are opening themselves to possible litigation on this.

When you move you need to register in the district to which you moved.

That just makes too much sense and some think that would be too easy. We can't let that happen.

I don't think that, though voting day might be a little late. Vote in one, then "move" to another to vote there.

Even if you stay in the same precinct, and move, you need to update your information. It's the same with the right to drive, get your mail, etc.


It isn't that hard. Ignorance of the law is no defense. The same with the rules of citizenship.