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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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Trump huddles with House GOP on immigration as border outrage escalates

President Trump met with House Republicans Tuesday to discuss immigration legislation as lawmakers searched for a way to end the administration's policy of separating families who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

After the meeting broke up, the White House announced that Trump had endorsed legislation negotiated between GOP leaders and moderate Republicans that promises to "solve the border crisis and family separation issue by allowing for family detention and removal."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...-escalates.html


Just going to try and set dems up to look bad... won't work. Trump made this mess, dems say he can fix it on his own. 1 phone call, done.


A phone call is not law, legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President is law.

Are you holding these kids hostage now because your Democrats won't pass this simple law?
Shame!


rolleyes

Trump owns this debacle, period. 66% of America and counting know this too.

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Trump huddles with House GOP on immigration as border outrage escalates

President Trump met with House Republicans Tuesday to discuss immigration legislation as lawmakers searched for a way to end the administration's policy of separating families who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

After the meeting broke up, the White House announced that Trump had endorsed legislation negotiated between GOP leaders and moderate Republicans that promises to "solve the border crisis and family separation issue by allowing for family detention and removal."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...-escalates.html


Just going to try and set dems up to look bad... won't work. Trump made this mess, dems say he can fix it on his own. 1 phone call, done.


A phone call is not law, legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President is law.

Are you holding these kids hostage now because your Democrats won't pass this simple law?
Shame!


You do understand there is a Republican majority in Congress, right?

Also, kids being detained separately didn't happen until Trump with zero legislation changes, so a phone call should do it. What did it take to set this in motion? It wasn't new legislation.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Trump huddles with House GOP on immigration as border outrage escalates

President Trump met with House Republicans Tuesday to discuss immigration legislation as lawmakers searched for a way to end the administration's policy of separating families who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

After the meeting broke up, the White House announced that Trump had endorsed legislation negotiated between GOP leaders and moderate Republicans that promises to "solve the border crisis and family separation issue by allowing for family detention and removal."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...-escalates.html


Just going to try and set dems up to look bad... won't work. Trump made this mess, dems say he can fix it on his own. 1 phone call, done.


A phone call is not law, legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President is law.

Are you holding these kids hostage now because your Democrats won't pass this simple law?
Shame!


Seems like DemondRats advocate human trafficking, children sold into sex rings and children forced into gangs.

They dodn't want to see if who brings them across the boarder is really their parents.


The Demonratbirds should cut the child in half of the parent. We will be able to tell their relationship to the child by their reaction to this event.

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I now see I was wrong about HRC. I didn't like her calling 35% of Americans Deplorable... but she nailed it.

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I now see I was wrong about HRC. I didn't like her calling 35% of Americans Deplorable... but she nailed it.


Nah she's a moron too. She was the only politician dumb enough to actually say she hates her opposition. HRC has always known the political do and do nots, but has been too dumb to walk on that tight rope.

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So crossing the border with your children is somehow child abuse?


Dragging your kids into criminal activities is child abuse and child endangerment.


You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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Reports now saying the Trump Administration is giddy about all the turmoil this is causing... It was their plan to generate outrage. They are now deporting the parents but keeping their kids!

And that orange freak had the gall to hug the flag! Like Donny bone spurs remotely understands the glory of that flag! Kneeling in free speech protest is nothing compared to that slimeball even touching the flag for an on stage gimmick, but hugging it and gloating for show is the worst kind of desecration I've ever seen!

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Trump huddles with House GOP on immigration as border outrage escalates

President Trump met with House Republicans Tuesday to discuss immigration legislation as lawmakers searched for a way to end the administration's policy of separating families who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

After the meeting broke up, the White House announced that Trump had endorsed legislation negotiated between GOP leaders and moderate Republicans that promises to "solve the border crisis and family separation issue by allowing for family detention and removal."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...-escalates.html


Just going to try and set dems up to look bad... won't work. Trump made this mess, dems say he can fix it on his own. 1 phone call, done.


A phone call is not law, legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President is law.

Are you holding these kids hostage now because your Democrats won't pass this simple law?
Shame!


You do understand there is a Republican majority in Congress, right?

Also, kids being detained separately didn't happen until Trump with zero legislation changes, so a phone call should do it. What did it take to set this in motion? It wasn't new legislation.


You do understand it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass a law, right?
There aren't enough Republicans. Democrats need to vote too.

But now they are playing politics with this and holding those kids hostage!

Shame!

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Reports now saying the Trump Administration is giddy about all the turmoil this is causing... It was their plan to generate outrage. They are now deporting the parents but keeping their kids!

And that orange freak had the gall to hug the flag! Like Donny bone spurs remotely understands the glory of that flag! Kneeling in free speech protest is nothing compared to that slimeball even touching the flag for an on stage gimmick, but hugging it and gloating for show is the worst kind of desecration I've ever seen!
You really need someone to talk too. Honestly. I think you have some issues that are not healthy.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: cle23
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Trump huddles with House GOP on immigration as border outrage escalates

President Trump met with House Republicans Tuesday to discuss immigration legislation as lawmakers searched for a way to end the administration's policy of separating families who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

After the meeting broke up, the White House announced that Trump had endorsed legislation negotiated between GOP leaders and moderate Republicans that promises to "solve the border crisis and family separation issue by allowing for family detention and removal."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...-escalates.html


Just going to try and set dems up to look bad... won't work. Trump made this mess, dems say he can fix it on his own. 1 phone call, done.


A phone call is not law, legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President is law.

Are you holding these kids hostage now because your Democrats won't pass this simple law?
Shame!


You do understand there is a Republican majority in Congress, right?

Also, kids being detained separately didn't happen until Trump with zero legislation changes, so a phone call should do it. What did it take to set this in motion? It wasn't new legislation.


You do understand it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass a law, right?
There aren't enough Republicans. Democrats need to vote too.

But now they are playing politics with this and holding those kids hostage!

Shame!


Until the legislation is seen, and voted on, the Democrats aren't holding up anything. Trump started "playing politics" with the kids, and now is blaming others. I'm sure any legislation will have a bunch of other, irrelevant crap in it so that when its voted down. Trump can point and blame others for the kids. And both parties pull that crap.

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Originally Posted By: cle23
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: cle23
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Trump huddles with House GOP on immigration as border outrage escalates

President Trump met with House Republicans Tuesday to discuss immigration legislation as lawmakers searched for a way to end the administration's policy of separating families who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border.

After the meeting broke up, the White House announced that Trump had endorsed legislation negotiated between GOP leaders and moderate Republicans that promises to "solve the border crisis and family separation issue by allowing for family detention and removal."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/...-escalates.html


Just going to try and set dems up to look bad... won't work. Trump made this mess, dems say he can fix it on his own. 1 phone call, done.


A phone call is not law, legislation passed by Congress and signed by the President is law.

Are you holding these kids hostage now because your Democrats won't pass this simple law?
Shame!


You do understand there is a Republican majority in Congress, right?

Also, kids being detained separately didn't happen until Trump with zero legislation changes, so a phone call should do it. What did it take to set this in motion? It wasn't new legislation.


You do understand it takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass a law, right?
There aren't enough Republicans. Democrats need to vote too.

But now they are playing politics with this and holding those kids hostage!

Shame!


Until the legislation is seen, and voted on, the Democrats aren't holding up anything. Trump started "playing politics" with the kids, and now is blaming others. I'm sure any legislation will have a bunch of other, irrelevant crap in it so that when its voted down. Trump can point and blame others for the kids. And both parties pull that crap.


Schumer says he is not interested in legislation and wants President Trump to just ignore the law, stop enforcing it, go back to ignoring the law like Obama did.

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'Here Are Horrifying Photos of Obama's Illegal Alien Facilities the Media Refuses to Show You'

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/
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Don't worry. Things like facts, logic, and reason won't slow down Trump haters. They need fantasy and blinders on so they can justify their unreasonable hate.


You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
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hated Obama for it. Didn't support him because of it. Politics isn't a zero sum game, especially for a powerless class whose political involvement peaks at insinuating the worst about the otherside while repeating the same wry political party insults.

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Originally Posted By: willitevachange
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Reports now saying the Trump Administration is giddy about all the turmoil this is causing... It was their plan to generate outrage. They are now deporting the parents but keeping their kids!

And that orange freak had the gall to hug the flag! Like Donny bone spurs remotely understands the glory of that flag! Kneeling in free speech protest is nothing compared to that slimeball even touching the flag for an on stage gimmick, but hugging it and gloating for show is the worst kind of desecration I've ever seen!
You really need someone to talk too. Honestly. I think you have some issues that are not healthy.


Yes I have issues with the illegitimate FAKE PRESIDENT.

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'Here Are Horrifying Photos of Obama's Illegal Alien Facilities the Media Refuses to Show You'

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/
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Quite the headline.


I don't like the use of these detention centers BUT under Obama those kids were still with their parents, look at the pics.

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Don't worry. Things like facts, logic, and reason won't slow down Trump haters. They need fantasy and blinders on so they can justify their unreasonable hate.



So now kidnapping and child abuse are unreasonable hate? You're a real piece of work, you are. Is that an orange juice mustache you're wearing?

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No, calling what is happening kidnapping and child abuse is unreasonable hate.

There is no kidnapping, there is no abuse, except on the part of the parents who bring their children along during an illegal border crossing.

The illegal border crossings are going to be stopped. How bleeding hearts view the process is not important. It will be stopped. It can be done nice and pretty, or mean and nasty. There is a point wherein how it LOOKS is no longer important because it MUST BE DONE. Optics are not important. Success or failure is.

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The illegitimate fascist FAKE PRESIDENT is kidnapping kids and committing child abuse on a grand scale! Human right violation if I ever seen one! Just another disgraceful act to add to his already large tally. Real Americans won't stand for it.

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Welcome to the Boards ElHegpah.


As if... lmao. 40 you are just too much some days. wink

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Perhaps a bit slow today.

But it is nice to know there are now 2 posters eating you for lunch intellectually. thumbsup

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Before you start the hyperbole and outrage against what the media and Left are hyping up about the children of ILLEGAL immigrants, try learning what is FACT, first. Try researching Bill Clinton's 1996 law - Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. Try learning that these centers where the children are being housed existed during the Obama administration, and were utilized. Try realizing that these children are being cared for in a humane way. The Left and Media are playing you like Eddie Van Halen plays a guitar. Try learning that many of these kids are NOT with their parents. They are being used to get adults into the country through existing loopholes, and the Trump administration is following the law. A court determines whether or not the "parents" are really the parents. Due process. If they ARE the parents, then place the blame RIGHT THERE! They know the consequences ahead of time. And Crying Chuck, a LEGISLATOR, refuses to go along with a new law, you know, the constitutional method of making new law. Not a freaking pen, Maybe you should be giving your side some outrage, for not wanting to fix this.

Perhaps you forgot about this...under Obamas watch no less.

https://www.npr.org/2014/06/19/323346848...n-virginia-town

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...m=.240e104298b2

That's cool, the US can now add "baby concentration camps" to its list of services.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
The illegitimate fascist FAKE PRESIDENT is kidnapping kids and committing child abuse on a grand scale! Human right violation if I ever seen one! Just another disgraceful act to add to his already large tally. Real Americans won't stand for it.
Curious, if they came to a port of entry, would they be separated?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...m=.240e104298b2

That's cool, the US can now add "baby concentration camps" to its list of services.


Stop crying and change the law!

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Perhaps a bit slow today.

But it is nice to know there are now 2 posters eating you for lunch intellectually. thumbsup


And you have jokes! And pals that are jokes! But at least your alternate personas aren't glaringly obvious when you take a staycation. wink

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Will, this policy was not enacted until last month. You're link specifically refers to children crossing by themselves. What we are doing down in Texas and other places is separating the children from their parents. They were not unaccompanied but now they are by force.

Following the law does NOT make something just. You cannot hide behind this action by saying it's the law. You must explain to people why you believe splitting up families is good policy both humanely for these people and fiscally as it costs us an immense amount of money to split up these families.

I don't care much for who has R or D by their name most of the time, as I'm distrusting of politicians in general. But the facts are the facts: The Trump admin started this policy, and they can end it right now. They can try to hide like cowards and claim that their hands were tied, but it doesn't explain why this very administration did not perform this disgusting act until very recently. It doesn't explain why John Kelly and Jeff Sessions and others drew up plans to enact this policy after Trump was president. It doesn't explain why this is good for Americans or the people who are coming across the Border. It doesn't explain how someone who is fleeing a murderous regime in Honduras and elsewhere would be deterred with separation.

It's cruel and unusual punishment. Would you be OK with losing your children if you were caught doing 10mph over the speed limit? Because unlawful entry is a misdemeanor. We should understand it as such.


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I have stated before that they should have separate centers for the families. I do not like the fact they are being separated. However, until the law is changed, it should be adhered too. Shouldn't take that long, propose it, pass it, implement it immediately. The problem is the Dems will not give their votes to get to 60. its a shame.

Ignoring a law (even if it was done in the past) is not what these legislators were sworn to do. They are sworn to uphold the law, even if they disagree with it. This is why we have so much divisiveness. Laws are not touchy feely things you can just choose to only adhere to the ones you like.

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49 Democrats support the Keep Families Together Act, while no Republican senator has supported it.

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I have stated before that they should have separate centers for the families. I do not like the fact they are being separated. However, until the law is changed, it should be adhered too. Shouldn't take that long, propose it, pass it, implement it immediately. The problem is the Dems will not give their votes to get to 60. its a shame.

Ignoring a law (even if it was done in the past) is not what these legislators were sworn to do. They are sworn to uphold the law, even if they disagree with it. This is why we have so much divisiveness. Laws are not touchy feely things you can just choose to only adhere to the ones you like.



The separations is NOT a law, it's Trump's enforcement policy. IF they really HAD to do this, like Trump and company say they do; then it would have been done before and by other Presidents. Don't buy into the BS willit, you are smarter than that and reasonable most of the time.

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49 Democrats support the Keep Families Together Act, while no Republican senator has supported it.


You playing the chaos card lately? You seem to be playing the middle against both ends in your recent posts. Just saying.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...m=.240e104298b2

That's cool, the US can now add "baby concentration camps" to its list of services.


Stop crying and change the law!


I am not a member of US congress so I can't change the law. It's unfortunate you do not know how laws are passed in the United States. Since you do not understand how laws are formed, perhaps this classic video will be of educational value to you:



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'Here Are Horrifying Photos of Obama's Illegal Alien Facilities the Media Refuses to Show You'

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/
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I don't like the use of these detention centers BUT under Obama those kids were still with their parents, look at the pics.


I just looked again and yes, you seem to be correct. Good catch.

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I have stated before that they should have separate centers for the families. I do not like the fact they are being separated. However, until the law is changed, it should be adhered too. Shouldn't take that long, propose it, pass it, implement it immediately. The problem is the Dems will not give their votes to get to 60. its a shame.


This is false. The legal landscape did not change between the time Trump took office and the time this policy was enacted. All that changed was Trump decided to enforce some laws over others. Please understand the facts and do not buy into partisan politics.

What used to happen was we processed families together when applying for asylum. The new Trump policy is to treat asylum seekers as lawbreakers, which means the parents get deported quickly as the penalty for unlawful entry is deportation. The unaccompanied minors are not charged, as they are minors, so they don't get deported quickly. The quickest way to end this practice is for the Trump administration to reverse course on it's policy. Republicans have already put in two bills but they can't even agree on which one goes to the floor and are stalling because they don't want to be seen as being soft on immigration. The longer we wait the worse this looks for Trump and his party.

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Ignoring a law (even if it was done in the past) is not what these legislators were sworn to do. They are sworn to uphold the law, even if they disagree with it. This is why we have so much divisiveness.

Laws are not touchy feely things you can just choose to only adhere to the ones you like.


Tell that to the President, who decided to ignore the law that states that seeking asylum is not a crime. This justification of yours falls on it's face on that basis alone.


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Originally Posted By: gage
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...m=.240e104298b2

That's cool, the US can now add "baby concentration camps" to its list of services.


Stop crying and change the law!


I am not a member of US congress so I can't change the law.


Cop out! Call your Congressmen and Senators!

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...m=.240e104298b2

That's cool, the US can now add "baby concentration camps" to its list of services.


Stop crying and change the law!


I am not a member of US congress so I can't change the law.


Cop out! Call your Congressmen and Senators!


Yeah call your congressmen who claim they are the party of family values rofl


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