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In this thread alone, a poster is being hostile towards religious people.

Much of what I read on here about Christians is stereotyping and completely tone deaf.. but I'm not allowed to complain about it because we are the majority.

Carry on...

Much of what I read on here about Christians is stereotyping and completely tone deaf.. but I'm not allowed to complain about it because we are the majority.

Carry on...

S simple good search will allow you do so. In the search bar at the top - just type your question.

I am glad you are able to tell Christians and other people of religious beliefs how they should feel. Are you going to tell them when they are allowed to pray next?

The average punishment is exactly the same fine average as that of a speeding ticket - $150.

Imagine arguing that a speeding ticket should reasonably call for a separation and detention of a parent and child.

There is no general speeding ticket or general civil offense which requires you to be held because you need to be deported.

With the folks who receive speeding tickets and civil citations, you take their information so we know who they are and where to find them and we expect them to cooperate with the judicial process... this is a completely unrealistic expectation for somebody who is here illegally..

So no, I don't see a lot of value in your analogies.

PDF, you are missing a very important part to this.. just because a civil fine may be levied, doesn't mean the original act wasn't a criminal violation.

From your own quote of the statute..

"Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed."

This means that a person guilty of this offense may be fined on top of whatever criminal sentence they could be given i.e. you are sentenced to 90 days in jail AND ordered to pay a fine.

If this were purely a civil law violation, no one would be detained. They'd be given a summons and a court date and wouldn't see a single minute behind bars.

Criminal Penalties for Improper Entry
For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal or civil penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. This is considered a misdemeanor under federal law (18 U.S.C.A. § 3559).

For a subsequent offense, or a reentry (or attempted reentry) after exclusion or deportation, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, 1326, I.N.A. Section 275, 276.) This is considered a low-level felony under federal law (18 U.S.C.A. § 3559).

Criminal Penalties for Unlawful Reentry
In case the above penalties aren't enough to deter illegal U.S. entrants, a separate section of the law adds felony penalties for reentry (or attempted reentry) in cases where the person had been convicted of certain types of crimes and thus removed (deported) from the U.S., as follows:

(1) People removed for a conviction of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.

(2) People removed for a conviction of an aggravated felony shall be fined, imprisoned for up to 20 years, or both.

(3) People who were excluded or removed from the United States for security reasons shall be fined, and imprisoned for up to ten years, which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.

(4) Nonviolent offenders who were removed from the United States before their prison sentence was up shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.

What’s more, someone deported before a prison sentence was complete may be incarcerated for the remainder of the sentence of imprisonment, without any reduction for parole or supervised release.

(See 8 U.S.C. Section 1326, I.N.A. Section 276(b).)

Civil Penalties
Entry (or attempted entry) at a place other than one designated by immigration officers can carry civil penalties instead of or on top of criminal penalties. The amount is at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or twice that amount if the illegal entrant has been previously fined a civil penalty for the same violation. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)

I think that depends on the license. I've seen stores that sell no alcohol on Sunday... unless it's an owner's choice thing.

There are also dry counties and towns.

If somebody does not want to pay for a Sunday liquor license that has nothing to do with religion. Yes there may still be a few dry towns out there but that has nothing to do with religion either. Hell Jesus make wine out of water for folks to drink.

A Sunday liquor license isn't a religious regulation from a bygone era?

If somebody does not want to pay for a Sunday liquor license that has nothing to do with religion. Yes there may still be a few dry towns out there but that has nothing to do with religion either. Hell Jesus make wine out of water for folks to drink.

I think its in the Bible. On second thought...Never mind.

Are you sure the punishment is that children are separated from their parents? Or is it the parents who are separated from their children.

I think time will tell if he's really smart and savvy.....or a total dunce....

Missed the religion bit. I don't know any catholics that drink do you?

A Sunday liquor license isn't a religious regulation from a bygone era?

And there's large swaths of dry counties all over the country, dude.

You can literally watch any footage of him from 1979-present and realize he's a complete dunce who never had a clever thought in his life.

Time already told, dude.

If you want to call ten percent of the counties a large swath that's fine. BUT how many of those 10 percent allow cities, towns, townships, villages, and other area's within them to be wet, or moist?

Yeah he is so stupid he formed a multi-billion dollar company that operates all over the world and employs 10s of thousands of people all over the world. Yep he must be a real dunce. So if a dunce can do all that, then what does that make the rest of us?

I think the haters hate because they are jealous of his success. I'm sorry but you don't have his success unless your a highly intelligent person. If you think otherwise then your the one lacking intelligence.

The guy is no saint and he has plenty of flaws to be sure but the blind hatred of him is just tiresome and old especially when the causes are based on lies.

I don't drink anymore, but I currently live in one, and yes, 10% is a large swath.

1 in 10 counties in the U.S. not having Sunday or every day liquor sales is absurd.

I agree. But let me ask you this. Is it impossible for your neighbor to pick up booze Monday thru Sat and then drink it on Sunday?

He took a loan from his dad and burned it. He took his inheritance and burned it. He borrowed from his siblings inheritance and burned it. He then took out so many bank loans for failed deals he burned through they they forced him to sign over the rights to negotiate and strike deals because he was so bad at it that he had to resort to being a game show host, with no bank in the world being willing to loan him money outside of Deutsch.

If he had taken his inheritance and put it into basic stock indexes, he'd be a billionaire with no debt.

How on earth do you consider that "success" or evidence that he isn't a moron? What about "trust fund kid born on third base and getting picked off by the pitcher while scratching his ass" screams success?

No.

My point was these laws are because of a small group of religious zealots, and not because of average religious people or religion as a whole.

I never argued someone can't plan ahead to work around the needless inconvenience.

A Sunday liquor license is a way for the state to make more money.

He is worth 2.8 billion dollars.

So yes, I would say being worth Billions is certainly success financially.

Perhaps your a secret billionaire in hiding but I sincerely doubt it. I think the hate comes more from jealousy than anything else.

He already sacrificed half a billion dollars of personal wealth to save the country from the mess it was in so I tend to view him as pretty patriotic.

Interesting opinion but do you have a link to what you say?

What specifically would you like a link to?

Just to what you posted as facts.

But why a Sunday?

I don't know to me I don't mind a county where drunk drivers don't account for 25% of the death toll of the cities. 2200 people in my state of Indiana died last year all by itself. Drunk driving cost the taxpayers 132 billion dollars last year alone.

It would be nice if all cars made you pass a breathalyzer to be able to start. At the least you should need to pass one to leave the bar. The lives it would save would be tremendous.