Heritability of IQ is a pretty taboo subject in and of itself. It's not exactly something that comes up in typical conversation, but OCD was onto something and it's only fair to give him credit where it is due.
Heritability of IQ is a pretty taboo subject in and of itself. It's not exactly something that comes up in typical conversation, but OCD was onto something and it's only fair to give him credit where it is due.
IQ tests in general are pretty taboo in a lot it circles. But I can't think of anyone who wouldn't agree that they inherited their intelligence from their parents.
Heritability of IQ is a pretty taboo subject in and of itself. It's not exactly something that comes up in typical conversation, but OCD was onto something and it's only fair to give him credit where it is due.
IQ tests in general are pretty taboo in a lot it circles. But I can't think of anyone who wouldn't agree that they inherited their intelligence from their parents.
I think there are a lot of people who wouldn't agree with that. Think blank slate theory or at least leaning strongly toward the 'nurture' side of the classic 'nature vs nurture' debate.
Heritability of IQ is a pretty taboo subject in and of itself. It's not exactly something that comes up in typical conversation, but OCD was onto something and it's only fair to give him credit where it is due.
IQ tests in general are pretty taboo in a lot it circles. But I can't think of anyone who wouldn't agree that they inherited their intelligence from their parents.
I think there are a lot of people who wouldn't agree with that. Think blank slate theory or at least leaning strongly toward the 'nurture' side of the classic 'nature vs nurture' debate.
I think you're confusing knowledge with intelligence. Which kinda gets to the problem of IQ tests.
It'll be a nicer world when the younger, more open-minded people gain more power and numbers. The world is trending that way in my opinion. Some day, we won't have angry curmudgeons quoting the bible and trying to make gay kids straight, and saying how "Back in my day we didn't have gay people".
And let me be clear that I'm not knocking religion entirely right now, I'm knocking the hateful people who use the bible and religion to excuse their hatred.
You're a very wrong individual Razor. And I really hope you realize how wrong you are and live long enough to change your ways. Not because it'll mean something of a better afterlife, because I don't believe in that, but because you'll be a lot happier now. And maybe the people in your life will respect you a little more.
Imagine if one of your kids or grandkids were gay. Would you hate them?
What you really mean is a world with loose morals. Families torn apart, high on drugs, and committing depraved sexual acts just because they want to. When you don't live your life for a higher purpose than yourself you can justify anything you want to do just because you want to or don't feel like dealing with it.
I am not a hateful person like you liberals keep trying to falsely accuse me of. I just know right from wrong and I'm not afraid to stand up to the PC bullies trying to oppress everyone. I have no desire to accept things that are disgusting as normal and ok. I also don't really care if people live how they want, so long as, I don't have to be involved with what they are doing. I don't go around town preaching hellfire and brimstone.
IF someone asks me I will recite my Bible and say why I believe in it but I have never been one to seek people out to condemn them. However no amount of oppression from liberals from their namecalling, mob violence, or just all around nastiness towards anyone who is not liberal will get me to accept the idea that anything is ever meant to share the holes of a male body. It's nasty, gross, and even if I didn't believe in God I would still think so.
Don't worry about who respects me because those I care about give me all the respect I could ever want or need.
I don't hate gay and lesbians. I don't wish anyone to be hurt or harmed. I am not a violent person. I just don't accept their behavior as OK. I would always love my child but if they went down a wicked path then I would do my best to put them back on the path to righteousness whether they liked it or not. Still at the end of the day all I can do is raise them and teach them right and wrong. It's up to them what path they choose. Just like God forgives us for our mistakes and sins in life I can also forgive others and love them too.
Liberals have this messed up idea due to PC that if you say things people don't like to hear that your being hateful. That is wrong. Being honest and true to yourself and true to others is true love because it's not built on lies and deceit where everyone bottles up your hate until you explode. When you say things in an honest way all the time it might annoy people but chances are it will never get as nasty as trying to never offend anyone and then exploding.
If you speak your mind honestly then things down weigh it down so much that your stuck. You say your piece and move on and that is what I am doing with this silly thread =)
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
When you don't live your life for a higher purpose than yourself you can justify anything you want to do just because you want to or don't feel like dealing with it.
You know what they say about people who only act in a decent and moral way because of what they fear in the afterlife?
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If the only reason you are a good person is for reward in Heaven or fear of punishment in Hell, then, you're not really a good person. Peace
You're wrong about needing to believe in something bigger than yourself in order to live a good moral life. I accept people for who they are, who they want to be, and their right to the pursuit of happiness. If that means loving someone of the same sex, then I fully support it. You say that if your child was gay you'd try to fix their wicked ways, whether they like it or not, and that's where we end our discussion. I don't like you. Your core values on this subject would infuriate me if I thought about it any longer. I hope one day you can see your error.
Be good to all people, and they'll be good to you. They might even bake you a cake.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
I am not a hateful person like you liberals keep trying to falsely accuse me of. I just know right from wrong and I'm not afraid to stand up to the PC bullies trying to oppress everyone. I have no desire to accept things that are disgusting as normal and ok. I also don't really care if people live how they want, so long as, I don't have to be involved with what they are doing.
These two lines are golden.
“PC bullies trying to oppress everyone.” “I also don't really care if people live how they want, so long as, I don't have to be involved with what they are doing.”
This coming from someone that doesn’t want it legal for two people that love each other to get married.
Then why do they give people pills for depression, bipolar disorder, etc., etc.
The cynical answer to that is because big pharma and the doctors have convinced us we need them...
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If you believe in a normative psychological mindset, then the only thing getting in the way of that is the chemistry of the brain, according to nueroscience.
Do you believe in a normative psychological mindset?
No I don't. I follow your same lines of cynicism, as well as some other thoughts about it.
The question is interesting though, how much of our actions and who we are are based on our DNA. I haven't responded, mainly as I've been on my phone most of this week, but as the days pass, I can't distinctively put myself into either camp. On one hand, it's nice to think that we have free will and are all interdependent. On the other hand, I know that humans are made up of DNA and that our DNA will never change, except in how they express themselves.
That makes me think, that while we do not understand our DNA, our DNA is in charge of every decision we make. That we have no free will, only the guise of it. That while we do not understand what it all means, that something is possibly pulling the strings on us.
Then again, I hate fatalism and determinism, so I don't want to believe that DNA is the architect of our every move and that our own personal psychology is what drives us to do these things.
The question is interesting though, how much of our actions and who we are are based on our DNA. I haven't responded, mainly as I've been on my phone most of this week, but as the days pass, I can't distinctively put myself into either camp. On one hand, it's nice to think that we have free will and are all interdependent. On the other hand, I know that humans are made up of DNA and that our DNA will never change, except in how they express themselves.
That makes me think, that while we do not understand our DNA, our DNA is in charge of every decision we make. That we have no free will, only the guise of it. That while we do not understand what it all means, that something is possibly pulling the strings on us.
Then again, I hate fatalism and determinism, so I don't want to believe that DNA is the architect of our every move and that our own personal psychology is what drives us to do these things.
So it really depends on the day.
I had quite a few heated conversations with Jules many years ago and I honestly learned a lot and had some of my opinions changed because of her..
One of the comments I distinctly remember making was that if I am to accept that homosexuality is genetic, then we have to be prepared to accept that all kinds of other emotional and personality characteristics are also genetic...
Now I'm not saying that culture and nurture can't impact them.. but if it's genetic, then we all have a floor and a ceiling with respect to our intelligence, our behavior, our compassion, our anger, our work ethic, our penchant for violence, our musical ability, our honesty, our addictive tendencies... all kinds of things that we might influence but really can't change significantly...
And this way of thinking is wrought with all kinds of potential dangers... from simple bigotry which leads us to believe that kids in Ivy League colleges are just smarter and more motivated because their parents and grandparents were smarter and more motivated, therefore it's their genetics.. while the kids of poor and unmotivated parents are just stupid and lazy because it's genetic so why should we make some big educational investment to try to change it?
The question is interesting though, how much of our actions and who we are are based on our DNA. I haven't responded, mainly as I've been on my phone most of this week, but as the days pass, I can't distinctively put myself into either camp. On one hand, it's nice to think that we have free will and are all interdependent. On the other hand, I know that humans are made up of DNA and that our DNA will never change, except in how they express themselves.
That makes me think, that while we do not understand our DNA, our DNA is in charge of every decision we make. That we have no free will, only the guise of it. That while we do not understand what it all means, that something is possibly pulling the strings on us.
Then again, I hate fatalism and determinism, so I don't want to believe that DNA is the architect of our every move and that our own personal psychology is what drives us to do these things.
So it really depends on the day.
I had quite a few heated conversations with Jules many years ago and I honestly learned a lot and had some of my opinions changed because of her..
One of the comments I distinctly remember making was that if I am to accept that homosexuality is genetic, then we have to be prepared to accept that all kinds of other emotional and personality characteristics are also genetic...
Now I'm not saying that culture and nurture can't impact them.. but if it's genetic, then we all have a floor and a ceiling with respect to our intelligence, our behavior, our compassion, our anger, our work ethic, our penchant for violence, our musical ability, our honesty, our addictive tendencies... all kinds of things that we might influence but really can't change significantly...
And this way of thinking is wrought with all kinds of potential dangers... from simple bigotry which leads us to believe that kids in Ivy League colleges are just smarter and more motivated because their parents and grandparents were smarter and more motivated, therefore it's their genetics.. while the kids of poor and unmotivated parents are just stupid and lazy because it's genetic so why should we make some big educational investment to try to change it?
Well genetics are never truly set in stone as I alluded to earlier. Epigenetics is when genes change expression, but not the genetic code itself. How much impact do they have is still left up for scientists, but I do believe that humans constantly sell their self short on things like intelligence and talent. Largely, I think those attributes are based on use and not DNA. I think if more people used their brain like a muscle, they would be a lot smarter than they already are. Haus's link said that 80% of intelligence comes from our genes. Well, if our average IQ is 100, then that means we were destined to be born morons, but through sheer willpower are we able to become smarter than our natural levels. I think your brain is like your bicep or any other muscle in your body. If you want it to grow big, you're going to need to use it a lot.
When you don't live your life for a higher purpose than yourself you can justify anything you want to do just because you want to or don't feel like dealing with it.
You know what they say about people who only act in a decent and moral way because of what they fear in the afterlife?
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If the only reason you are a good person is for reward in Heaven or fear of punishment in Hell, then, you're not really a good person. Peace
You're wrong about needing to believe in something bigger than yourself in order to live a good moral life. I accept people for who they are, who they want to be, and their right to the pursuit of happiness. If that means loving someone of the same sex, then I fully support it. You say that if your child was gay you'd try to fix their wicked ways, whether they like it or not, and that's where we end our discussion. I don't like you. Your core values on this subject would infuriate me if I thought about it any longer. I hope one day you can see your error.
Be good to all people, and they'll be good to you. They might even bake you a cake.
I'm sorry but there is plenty of science that proves your flat out wrong. People are inherently selfish creatures that do want they want for their own benefit. Even the people who are very generous are subconsciously doing it to gain love and safety. 95% of people are just sheep who follow whoever they think is going to lead them to what they want. We will sacrifice for our family, community, country, or to a higher power. We will do things for them we would never do for ourselves because all of us have it in us to live for a higher purpose than for ourselves. A higher purpose will motivate us up and beyond our desires and limits. A parent will go hungry for days while working just to make sure their kids have a chance to survive because that child is more important than their own life.
One of the leading causes of suicide and depression is not having a purpose to live. Rich people who have everything they want don't see the point of anything because they have everything and still feel empty. Poor people will see no hope of ever having a better life and just don't see the point in grinding out a longer miserable existence. The best medicine for them is not a pill but giving them a higher purpose in life. It doesn't have to be religion or God but it has to be SOMETHING.
Americans are very spoiled with luxury in most of our homes. Hell the poor of Mississippi make the poor of Ohio seem like the upper class. Project housing in Ohio is awesome housing compared to Mississippi. I know because growing up I lived in both and did volunteer work to help others when I got older to find homes.
I have never claimed to be a good person. Only God is good. I am just human with flaws and all. I do my best to get along. However God has clearly laid out what is right and wrong. It's not complicated or troublesome. It is what it is. When you live your life for one of the seven deadly sins it will always lead to your ruin in the end. Not because God is mean and punishing you but because it's the natural result of doing something that is wrong.
Homosexuality is a sin and it's wrong. If your a Christian then there is no way of getting around that because the Bible is crystal clear on the subject. I don't hate anyone because they sin or do wrong things. WHY? Because the Bible tells me not to hate them. Instead I try to love them the best I can. Loving them doesn't involve lying to them though. Sin is still sin. It's still wrong. Living a life of sin will bring its own consequences so I don't feel the need to interfere in most people's lives.
You say you accept people as they are but that is a lie. You just accept that which you like and reject what you don't like. It's quite obvious you don't accept Christians who follow the teachings of the Bible. It's OK though because we forgive you anyway =)
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I believe that most non Christians have no problem getting along and accepting Christians up until the point that said Christians try to impose their beliefs upon the daily lives of others by legislating their religious beliefs.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
One of the leading causes of suicide and depression is not having a purpose to live. Rich people who have everything they want don't see the point of anything because they have everything and still feel empty. Poor people will see no hope of ever having a better life and just don't see the point in grinding out a longer miserable existence. The best medicine for them is not a pill but giving them a higher purpose in life. It doesn't have to be religion or God but it has to be SOMETHING.
Very wrong! One of the leading causes of suicide and depression is... MENTAL ILLNESS!!! Which the best medicine for happens to be a pill!
You are what is wrong with society.
I accept people for who they are, and I accept those who wish to believe in religion. But I do NOT accept people who use their religion to hate, or make claims about mental health like they have a clue.
So you can forgive me all you want, I will not sit by and let you hurt people, actively or passively. And I will not sit by and let you dismiss mental health as simply as needing a "higher purpose".
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
One of the leading causes of suicide and depression is not having a purpose to live. Rich people who have everything they want don't see the point of anything because they have everything and still feel empty. Poor people will see no hope of ever having a better life and just don't see the point in grinding out a longer miserable existence. The best medicine for them is not a pill but giving them a higher purpose in life. It doesn't have to be religion or God but it has to be SOMETHING.
Very wrong! One of the leading causes of suicide and depression is... MENTAL ILLNESS!!! Which the best medicine for happens to be a pill!
You are what is wrong with society.
I accept people for who they are, and I accept those who wish to believe in religion. But I do NOT accept people who use their religion to hate, or make claims about mental health like they have a clue.
So you can forgive me all you want, I will not sit by and let you hurt people, actively or passively. And I will not sit by and let you dismiss mental health as simply as needing a "higher purpose".
So you tolerate who you want to and disparage and insult others. You are just a hypocrite.
Mental illness can be a lot of different things and medication helps with some of it and it can also make it worse because there isn't a magic pill for it. The side effects of some of those pills are also pretty terrible.
Mental illness can be caused by chemical imbalances in the brain and medication can sometimes help with that. Depression which is a type of mental illness is not always caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. Sometimes it's just because life sucks and their just doesn't seem to be a reason to overcome that suckiness. On the latter cause, motivation and purpose are proven keys to getting someone out of depression.
There is no pill that will ever give you a purpose in life or bring your life meaning. That's the big problem with your generation of pill poppers. You ignore the root problems and the symptoms and reach out for pills because you don't want to deal with the real issues.
As someone who has done actually work with real people suffering from depression I actually know wth I am talking about. How many people have you ever actually stopped from killing themselves? I have stopped MANY. Maybe you should try some reading before you go spouting your nonsense. Ignorance is not bliss. It's dangerous.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I'm curious, if a gay man was contemplating suicide, what would your approach be to save him? Would you tell him to cast aside his sinful ways to save himself?
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
I'm curious, if a gay man was contemplating suicide, what would your approach be to save him? Would you tell him to cast aside his sinful ways to save himself?
No. The first thing I always ask is what are you living for? What is it that has held you up so far. You find out something that is positive and motivates them to get through that moment. Then you start looking for anything that can give them something else to hang on to. You respect their pain and suffering because even if it seems minor to you, you can never know the sentiments that make something precious or hurtful to someone else.
I would seldom bring up God or the Bible unless I was asked to because you first have to attend the needs that keep someone alive and then you can bring up goals for the future. There are times they would ask I am happy to share. Look at Jesus. He fed his flock and tended to their earthly needs before he would teach.
I find that there is no need to berate someone about their sin unless they are committing it against me. I don't hate anyone because they are gay anymore than I would hate someone who tell lies or eats too much or whatever other sin they commit. God is their judge not me. When I teach the Bible I teach it as it is though and not how some would wish it to be.
As a Christian it is my job to educate those with no knowledge and to rebuke those in the church. Outside of this forum, I don't go out of my way to rebuke anyone to change unless they ask me first. I just don't feel God is something I need to sell to people. If God is moving in them to be saved it will just happen naturally.
Now, I know some are real zealous or have a determination to convert people no matter what and if that works for them then great but the Bible warns of being too zealous and causing more harm than good. I feel like God will bring them to me if he is ready to accept them.
Gay, Straight, or Confused doesn't matter to me when a life is on the line. We get through that moment first and then we take care of the future when we know there will be one. Sometimes they need medicine and sometimes they don't. They almost always need a new direction in life and a new goal or purpose in life to achieve though.
Jeremiah 29:11-13 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.
“Your purpose in life is to find your purpose and give your whole heart and soul to it” ― Gautama Buddha
“If you want to identify me, ask me not where I live, or what I like to eat, or how I comb my hair, but ask me what I am living for, in detail, ask me what I think is keeping me from living fully for the thing I want to live for.” ― Thomas Merton
And one of my favorites and a big part of my philosophy in life.
“The purpose of life is not to be happy. It is to be useful, to be honorable, to be compassionate, to have it make some difference that you have lived and lived well.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
You are the guy that loses all credibility the moment you open your mouth.
I don't speak the language of trolls please just move along ...
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
Very wrong! One of the leading causes of suicide and depression is... MENTAL ILLNESS!!! Which the best medicine for happens to be a pill!
You are what is wrong with society.
I accept people for who they are
You know, I am actually on your side in this argument about the videos and gay rights, but man, read what you just wrote again.
A lot of your posts come across as intolerant, hateful, and very, very angry.
I think it's okay that you disagree w/Razor, but saying he is "what is wrong with society" is very extreme.
Chill, man.
Again Vers, some people come here and post craziness as truthful reality. Invoking God or Jesus to point blame or bring harm is no more Christian than hating someone is, and of course an Atheist has to point that out.
My point had nothing to do w/religion. My point is that 442 was acting like a cruel and hateful human being. I think those kind of people come in all colors, both sexes, all political, religious, and ethnic groups.
There is no one problem w/society. Intolerance on many sides are a problem. Lack of understanding is a problem. Pointing a finger at those who disagree w/you is a problem. Not working together is a problem. But again, no one side is thee problem.
My point had nothing to do w/religion. My point is that 442 was acting like a cruel and hateful human being. I think those kind of people come in all colors, both sexes, all political, religious, and ethnic groups.
There is no one problem w/society. Intolerance on many sides are a problem. Lack of understanding is a problem. Pointing a finger at those who disagree w/you is a problem. Not working together is a problem. But again, no one side is thee problem.
I posted above that I accept people for who they are, but previously I did have a caveat that I do become hateful and angry when I see others acting hateful toward anyone or any group of people. In this case, it was using religion to hate on gays, or say that they're evil and wicked, and that their acts are disgusting and make him want to vomit.
I honestly do become a hateful human being when I read someone who has such a messed up opinion on LGBT. Whenever someone says it's a choice or says it's disgusting, I'm triggered. I hate seeing people put down in masses like that. And I hate seeing people not allowed to have the same rights straight people have, all because of religion. Let's all face the facts, if religion didn't care about homosexuality, no one would care if gay people married. I truly believe that is fact. No one would care about baking a cake for a gay couple.
No one would use their religion to refuse service to someone.
These are things that turn me into a hateful person. So Vers is absolutely correct in that I become hateful in certain circumstances. And I apply that hate in this case to Razor. And I do that because I see him hating on others, and I'm trying to stand up for them. I might not be doing a very good job of it, and spewing my own anger doesn't help.
I have the same reaction when I see nazis marches, or protests from that church that openly hates gays. Westboro baptist church or whatever they're called. What makes me so angry is how these people can consider themselves on the right side. They have to be crazy.
And Razor doesn't represent all of religious people. I know there's decent religious people as there's decent atheists. DC is a good human being. But I'm sorry, Razor does not seem like such a good human being to me.
I think I'll just block him and sleep better.
"You're gonna do WHAT?!" -Tim Robbins as Merlin in Top Gun
The question is interesting though, how much of our actions and who we are are based on our DNA. I haven't responded, mainly as I've been on my phone most of this week, but as the days pass, I can't distinctively put myself into either camp. On one hand, it's nice to think that we have free will and are all interdependent. On the other hand, I know that humans are made up of DNA and that our DNA will never change, except in how they express themselves.
That makes me think, that while we do not understand our DNA, our DNA is in charge of every decision we make. That we have no free will, only the guise of it. That while we do not understand what it all means, that something is possibly pulling the strings on us.
Then again, I hate fatalism and determinism, so I don't want to believe that DNA is the architect of our every move and that our own personal psychology is what drives us to do these things.
So it really depends on the day.
I had quite a few heated conversations with Jules many years ago and I honestly learned a lot and had some of my opinions changed because of her..
One of the comments I distinctly remember making was that if I am to accept that homosexuality is genetic, then we have to be prepared to accept that all kinds of other emotional and personality characteristics are also genetic...
Now I'm not saying that culture and nurture can't impact them.. but if it's genetic, then we all have a floor and a ceiling with respect to our intelligence, our behavior, our compassion, our anger, our work ethic, our penchant for violence, our musical ability, our honesty, our addictive tendencies... all kinds of things that we might influence but really can't change significantly...
And this way of thinking is wrought with all kinds of potential dangers... from simple bigotry which leads us to believe that kids in Ivy League colleges are just smarter and more motivated because their parents and grandparents were smarter and more motivated, therefore it's their genetics.. while the kids of poor and unmotivated parents are just stupid and lazy because it's genetic so why should we make some big educational investment to try to change it?
This is a great post, and the only thing I want to add is that I've worked with Ivy League graduates for most of my life, and have seen no correlation or predilection to intelligence or wisdom.
another take: A good friend of mine is a member of MENSA.
We were talking about their msg board version of PP, and I asked him what the debates were like. he said: "Same as every other message board; they just insult each other with bigger words."
The question is interesting though, how much of our actions and who we are are based on our DNA. I haven't responded, mainly as I've been on my phone most of this week, but as the days pass, I can't distinctively put myself into either camp. On one hand, it's nice to think that we have free will and are all interdependent. On the other hand, I know that humans are made up of DNA and that our DNA will never change, except in how they express themselves.
That makes me think, that while we do not understand our DNA, our DNA is in charge of every decision we make. That we have no free will, only the guise of it. That while we do not understand what it all means, that something is possibly pulling the strings on us.
Then again, I hate fatalism and determinism, so I don't want to believe that DNA is the architect of our every move and that our own personal psychology is what drives us to do these things.
So it really depends on the day.
I had quite a few heated conversations with Jules many years ago and I honestly learned a lot and had some of my opinions changed because of her..
One of the comments I distinctly remember making was that if I am to accept that homosexuality is genetic, then we have to be prepared to accept that all kinds of other emotional and personality characteristics are also genetic...
Now I'm not saying that culture and nurture can't impact them.. but if it's genetic, then we all have a floor and a ceiling with respect to our intelligence, our behavior, our compassion, our anger, our work ethic, our penchant for violence, our musical ability, our honesty, our addictive tendencies... all kinds of things that we might influence but really can't change significantly...
And this way of thinking is wrought with all kinds of potential dangers... from simple bigotry which leads us to believe that kids in Ivy League colleges are just smarter and more motivated because their parents and grandparents were smarter and more motivated, therefore it's their genetics.. while the kids of poor and unmotivated parents are just stupid and lazy because it's genetic so why should we make some big educational investment to try to change it?
The causes of homosexuality are quite complex. It is overly simplistic to say that it is genetic or a result of upbringing, etc. There are many conflicting ideas and studies.
I haven't kept up on it all that much but I know there is some new research that has found some genetic links. Then there are the twins studies that have found significantly differences in the concordance of homosexuality. So for example, among gay people who have an identical twin, that identical twin is often (usually?) straight. So obviously there is more going on than just genetics even if it is involved to some degree. Read more here if you care to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Twin_studies
another take: A good friend of mine is a member of MENSA.
We were talking about their msg board version of PP, and I asked him what the debates were like. he said: "Same as every other message board; they just insult each other with bigger words."
another take: A good friend of mine is a member of MENSA.
We were talking about their msg board version of PP, and I asked him what the debates were like. he said: "Same as every other message board; they just insult each other with bigger words."
Sounds about right. I wonder if there is ever any resentment along the lines of, "how can this person, who has an IQ of 140+ or whatever, possibly agree with the other side."
another take: A good friend of mine is a member of MENSA.
We were talking about their msg board version of PP, and I asked him what the debates were like. he said: "Same as every other message board; they just insult each other with bigger words."
Sounds about right. I wonder if there is ever any resentment along the lines of "how can this person, who has an IQ of 140+ or whatever, possibly agree with the other side."
It doesn't require a high IQ to disagree with people who enthusiastically believe that a racist wimp with goo for brains is a tough and smart face of their beliefs.
That guy with "goo for brains" made it to the highest levels of real estate, entertainment, and politics. It's pretty amazing, really.
TRUMP: I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. And we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.
HAUS: This man is intelligent and not at all senile.
My point had nothing to do w/religion. My point is that 442 was acting like a cruel and hateful human being. I think those kind of people come in all colors, both sexes, all political, religious, and ethnic groups.
There is no one problem w/society. Intolerance on many sides are a problem. Lack of understanding is a problem. Pointing a finger at those who disagree w/you is a problem. Not working together is a problem. But again, no one side is thee problem.
I posted above that I accept people for who they are, but previously I did have a caveat that I do become hateful and angry when I see others acting hateful toward anyone or any group of people. In this case, it was using religion to hate on gays, or say that they're evil and wicked, and that their acts are disgusting and make him want to vomit.
I honestly do become a hateful human being when I read someone who has such a messed up opinion on LGBT. Whenever someone says it's a choice or says it's disgusting, I'm triggered. I hate seeing people put down in masses like that. And I hate seeing people not allowed to have the same rights straight people have, all because of religion. Let's all face the facts, if religion didn't care about homosexuality, no one would care if gay people married. I truly believe that is fact. No one would care about baking a cake for a gay couple.
No one would use their religion to refuse service to someone.
These are things that turn me into a hateful person. So Vers is absolutely correct in that I become hateful in certain circumstances. And I apply that hate in this case to Razor. And I do that because I see him hating on others, and I'm trying to stand up for them. I might not be doing a very good job of it, and spewing my own anger doesn't help.
I have the same reaction when I see nazis marches, or protests from that church that openly hates gays. Westboro baptist church or whatever they're called. What makes me so angry is how these people can consider themselves on the right side. They have to be crazy.
And Razor doesn't represent all of religious people. I know there's decent religious people as there's decent atheists. DC is a good human being. But I'm sorry, Razor does not seem like such a good human being to me.
I think I'll just block him and sleep better.
lol fine by me. I find it hilarious that atheist in general are so intolerant of people of religious views. You say religious people use God to hate people. I have said multiple times I don't hate anyone. Just because I am disgusted by the actions some people take doesn't mean I have any hate for them. Yet you clearly state you hate on religious people.
Your actually the one spewing the hatred because of your religious intolerance and not me and your doing it to far more people because Gays are maybe .05% of the world population at best but those of religion are far more numerous. Nice to know you hate half the world. Then again I think some people are wired to hate normality no matter what form that normality takes.
Homosexuality grossed me out long before I found God. It's just a natural gag reflex to something that is gross. It's why they cram it onto so many TV shows to expose people so much to it until they think its normal when it's not. It's a deviation from what normal which is why it's called perverted behavior. In many places all over the world where they don't have religion they still don't like seeing homosexual behavior because instinctually they know it's not a good behavior.
There are many things we all want to do that we don't do because we know it's not good to do them just because we feel like it. Just because your an adult doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want to do and have it be OK.
I believe in doing things the right and moral way not the way you want just because you want. I don't say just the things you want to hear either. I am not a PC person. Never will be because I don't lie just to make others feel better. Hate me, love me, or don't care about me at all it all the same to me. I am who I am.
Let's get one thing straight though. I don't hate anyone. I don't preach hating anyone. I never have and I never will. I just don't say something that is bad is good just to make others feel better about doing something bad.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
I believe I said that I know you do NOT represent all religious people with your hate and bigotry towards gays.
I've had conversations with other religious people on this board and I respect them and their views, because they don't have crazy viewpoints on such things. They don't say gays make them physically sick.
So no man, I'm not hating on religion, here anyway, I'm hating on you. I very much so dislike your view on gay people. It bothers me so much that I have spewed my hatred toward you. You hide behind religion to spew your hatred towards gays. You do this by throwing out bible quotes, or by saying that being gay is sinful, and gays can't marry, and that it's evil and wicked to be gay. I didn't make that up, you actually said that crap. That's using religion to state that you hate gay people. Don't deny it. It's right there.
Religion didn't make you like this. Like you said, you hated gays way before you found religion. But now you're using religion as a tool to make your hatred more widespread. You get enough people together who hate gays as much as you do, and you end up belonging to that group of religious extremists. And those religious extremists elect politicians who hate gays and take away LGBT rights on a national level.
So because of you and people like you, the LGBT community doesn't have the same rights as I do. And that irritates the crap out of me.
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