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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards


Geez, I knew was bad, but when you actually put it in writing......


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Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards


Geez, I knew was bad, but when you actually put it in writing......


Prediction: Josh Gordon will record more yardage in '18 than all three combined from '17 (1474)


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He very well might. If he gets close - hell, if he plays 16 games - I'll be happy.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards
that's abysbmal


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards


Thanks ... i guess ... *L* .... I knew it was bad last year but not that bad ... that goes in the category of “things you would think are statistically impossible until the browns prove they aren’t” ....

At least i know why i wasn’t impressed with Seth last year ... *LOL* ...




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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards
that's abysbmal


No lie... I read it the first time and thought "it's a wonder we even won a game". Ouch.


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Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards
that's abysbmal


No lie... I read it the first time and thought "it's a wonder we even won a game". Ouch.


We didn't win a game, bro. LOL

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Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards
that's abysbmal


No lie... I read it the first time and thought "it's a wonder we even won a game". Ouch.
brownie


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards


Gosh...

Horrible.

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Bro, I just looked it up. You're gonna get a kick out of this one.

Browns leading receivers in 2017:

Duke: 693 yards

DeValve: 395 yards

Njoku: 386 yards
that's abysbmal


No lie... I read it the first time and thought "it's a wonder we even won a game". Ouch.


We didn't win a game, bro. LOL


Exactly lol.


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it is bad but once you add in the wide receiver stats it should look a lot better!!!

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Blake Williams had this to say about Joe

"Blake Williams, his linebackers coach and the son of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, simply didn't see him as an outside lienbacker.

"He's not a 3-4 outside linebacker," the younger Williams said during training camp. "That's kind of what he played in college, that's kind of what he played last year, but that's not what his body is."

Williams saw Schobert's athleticism and saw a guy who should be in the middle of a 4-3 -- or maybe he tracked down some youth football tape. That's the last time Schobert said he played middle linebacker."

I am excited to watch Joe this year and see just how much (if any) he improved his strength, and if he can clean up his missed tackles.



I wonder how people feel about him now?

Reading back through the posts many seem to think he's overrated and undersized.

If he's not the top MLB in this league, he's definitely top 5.

He's our Baker Mayfield of the defense. The future is bright. I'm counting on Dorsey not to screw it up.

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If I had to guess, I'd think Dorsey views Schobert as a foundational piece on defense, along with Garrett, Ward, and perhaps a couple others.

I doubt he's thinking of our 25 year old Pro Bowl caliber linebacker, we have to get rid of that guy.

Look for the team to extend Schobert. It won't necessarily happen (it takes two..), but he was drafted in 2016, so he'll be eligible for a new contract after the season.

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If I had to guess, I'd think Dorsey views Schobert as a foundational piece on defense, along with Garrett, Ward, and perhaps a couple others.

I doubt he's thinking of our 25 year old Pro Bowl caliber linebacker, we have to get rid of that guy.

Look for the team to extend Schobert. It won't necessarily happen (it takes two..), but he was drafted in 2016, so he'll be eligible for a new contract after the season.
Resigning Joe is a must. You saw the difference when he wasn't in there.

I don't see him as a guy that would want to leave. I think his heart is with this team, and hes ready for the turnaround.

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LOVE HIM ...

I thought he was way overrated here ... said I HOPE HE PROVES ME WRONG ...

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Add me to the list that didn't think that highly of him. His first years here I felt he was WAY overrated.

I am happily eating crow with both he AND Kirksey. I *seriously* want to add Devin White to the group and shut down the middle of ANY field.


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Schobert has improved a lot though. At one time he may have actually been overrated.. it takes time to learn the nuances of a new position.

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I honestly think adding one more versatile LB is necessary for us. Teams attack our LBs


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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If he's not the top MLB in this league, he's definitely top 5.


dev...if you did your homework, you would see that Schobert is having an off year, ranked 43 in combined tackles in the NFL with 80.

Last season, Schobert had 144 tackles, tied for #1 in combined tackles with 144.

NOTE: Schobert missed games 7,8,9..dealing with a hamstring injury. Though he played the last 4 games, he still does not look 100% to me. IMO, Schobert has been slowed with the hammy, affecting his production.

Jamie Collins is leading the team in tackles, ranked 31st in the NFL with 86 combined tackles.

Schobert did miss some games early in the season with


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I've done my homework, thank you.

If you don't think Schobert is very good based on his tackles, which is where you seem to be going with this, I'm not sure what to tell you...

I've also graduated from math class.

5-7-1 > 0-16

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He has 80 tackles in 10 games, that's average of 8 tackles a game.

He has missed 3 games - opn average that 24 tackles. 80 +24 would be 104 tackles averaged out if he played the whole season. then with 3 games left, that's another 24 tackles averaged out, to give him 128 for the year on average smile

You are also not taking into account that we TURN THE BALL OVER ALOT. resulting in less plays from the opposing offense, resulting in less opportunities for tackles.

Joe is a stud, do your homework please.

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Joe is also one of the top ranked linebackers against the pass.


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Originally Posted By: Haus
If I had to guess, I'd think Dorsey views Schobert as a foundational piece on defense, along with Garrett, Ward, and perhaps a couple others.

I doubt he's thinking of our 25 year old Pro Bowl caliber linebacker, we have to get rid of that guy.

Look for the team to extend Schobert. It won't necessarily happen (it takes two..), but he was drafted in 2016, so he'll be eligible for a new contract after the season.


Schobert has become even more than I thought he would be, coming from Wisconsin ... and I really liked him when we drafted him.

I would add Randall as a foundational piece on defense, and he might just he the vocal leader of that unit.


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Schobert is definitely the QB of our defense. we need a cerebral leader to make pre-snap calls etc. He is someone we can build a defense around. Our defense looks way different with him vs with him on the sideline.


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i did notice a big difference when he missed time. i also think he'll be better with a better replacement for Collins


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I've done my homework, thank you.

If you don't think Schobert is very good based on his tackles, which is where you seem to be going with this, I'm not sure what to tell you...

I've also graduated from math class.

5-7-1 > 0-16


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i did notice a big difference when he missed time. i also think he'll be better with a better replacement for Collins


I think we might need to draft a big-time LB, if we get the chance.


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
Schobert is definitely the QB of our defense. we need a cerebral leader to make pre-snap calls etc. He is someone we can build a defense around. Our defense looks way different with him vs with him on the sideline.


Schobert was basically Kuechly light in the Texans game. Every 1st and 2nd down he was diagnosing the play and getting guys in the right spots. We just couldn't execute and get off the field on 3rd down that game.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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i did notice a big difference when he missed time. i also think he'll be better with a better replacement for Collins


I think we might need to draft a big-time LB, if we get the chance.
agreed


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Linebacker isn't the problem. Conley sucks and he is our 2nd best DT. Dorsey has been great but he is failing at defensive tackle.

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i did notice a big difference when he missed time. i also think he'll be better with a better replacement for Collins


I think we might need to draft a big-time LB, if we get the chance.
agreed


If our defensive coordinator is someone other than Gregg Williams next year, we will be playing two or three linebackers much less. If that’s the case then Schobert and Kirksey will be just fine.

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i did notice a big difference when he missed time. i also think he'll be better with a better replacement for Collins


I think we might need to draft a big-time LB, if we get the chance.
agreed


If our defensive coordinator is someone other than Gregg Williams next year, we will be playing two or three linebackers much less. If that’s the case then Schobert and Kirksey will be just fine.


No they will not, both are average Lb's at best.

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i did notice a big difference when he missed time. i also think he'll be better with a better replacement for Collins


I think we might need to draft a big-time LB, if we get the chance.
agreed


If our defensive coordinator is someone other than Gregg Williams next year, we will be playing two or three linebackers much less. If that’s the case then Schobert and Kirksey will be just fine.


No they will not, both are average Lb's at best.


Excuse me if I don’t trust your woeful evaluation skills.

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i did notice a big difference when he missed time. i also think he'll be better with a better replacement for Collins


I think we might need to draft a big-time LB, if we get the chance.
agreed


If our defensive coordinator is someone other than Gregg Williams next year, we will be playing two or three linebackers much less. If that’s the case then Schobert and Kirksey will be just fine.


No they will not, both are average Lb's at best.


Excuse me if I don’t trust your woeful evaluation skills.


I think the ones you shouldn't trust are your own. The amount of times you have been wrong is staggering.

How many times have you been wrong and I've been right?

You must have a problem remembering sfuff, I know that I do sometimes when I forget my medication.

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I know that I do sometimes when I forget my medication.


This helps explain a lot.


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I know that I do sometimes when I forget my medication.


This helps explain a lot.


Wonder if thats the same reason U and a few others “engage” with him in his nonsense time after time after time ... wink ...




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I think someone mixed some estrogen into my cholesterol medicine. Hope that helps explain it.

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Schobert is one of the best MLB in the NFL. Our OLB need help, though.

I said it before, and I'll say it again .. a guy like Devin White would be a huge help for our defense. I would say he would be a bigger help in the draft than a DT.


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
Schobert is one of the best MLB in the NFL. Our OLB need help, though.

I said it before, and I'll say it again .. a guy like Devin White would be a huge help for our defense. I would say he would be a bigger help in the draft than a DT.


So who sits next year the draft pick or Kirksey? We basically only play two linebackers right now and would play two even less with a new coordinator.

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