BREAKING NEWS: Trump reverses course and says he ACCEPTS that Russia meddled and meant to say he saw no reason why it would NOT be Putin's spies who interfered in the election
BREAKING NEWS: Trump reverses course and says he ACCEPTS that Russia meddled and meant to say he saw no reason why it would NOT be Putin's spies who interfered in the election
BREAKING NEWS: Trump reverses course and says he ACCEPTS that Russia meddled and meant to say he saw no reason why it would NOT be Putin's spies who interfered in the election
I'll just go ahead and say it.. if this was Obama and it played out exactly the same, you would have the oven preheated and the roast would be about to begin.. there would be no waffling.. there would be no benefit of the doubt.. there would be no nothing except you torching him in every post for being spineless, weak, and afraid of a powerful enemy..... I know it, everybody knows, and I'm pretty sure you know it...
I'm very impressed that you as a Repub can admit that. The last two weeks has shown that Trump is not a leader nor is fit to be in the Presidential office. Lets all be honest, Trump was a CEO in name only, not because he is/was great business mind, more so had the ability to sell his name. But being PRESIDENT means that you have to work, think, analyze, read, and have a attention span longer than a fly!! Trump can't do the job of President.
Yesterday was the visualization of the words Trump has said in the past months that made everyone who has a brain sick to their stomachs. Putin whistled and Trump rolled over. And along the way he crapped on America, the FBI and CIA, his own advisors and staff!!.. Just unbelievable.
Trump: I believe Putin when he said they didn't meddle and I don't have confidence in the US intelligence findings.
Base: Well done sir, excellent answer
The next day...
Trump: Sorry, I believe they DID meddle and I have 100% confidence in US intelligence agencies.
Base: Well done sir, excellent answer
This is what a fish flop to CYA looks like. He is a traitor. He is holding onto power anyway he can right now. Listening to him is like listening to a small child explain things.
Before a meeting on 'tax reductions'? More tax breaks for business and the rich? I mean his tax reform is already a 1.8 Trillion dollar deficit buster, do we need more with the economy humming along in spite of his tariffs?
I also do not buy into his mea culpa today. He is a clear and present danger to national security and I still think a traitor. I honestly look for Mueller to eventually prove that beyond doubt.
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I can't help but notice how the Trump Propaganda Network over at Fox News has handled this situation as well. Completely and entirely Fake News.
Trump: I believe Putin when he said they didn't meddle and I don't have confidence in the US intelligence findings.
I don't remember hearing Trump say he believed Putin didn't meddle. I don't remember hearing Trump say he did not have confidence in the US intelligence agencies.
I remember Trump saying Putin said he didn't meddle. I remember Trumo saying he had great respect for US intelligence agencies.
The President of the US stood on stage and gave comfort and relief to the leader and state that just attacked the US in the cyber-sphere which by all accounts is an act of war. This is the definition of treason.
You can bring up whataboutisms until you are blue in the face, that will not change what the whole world witnessed yesterday and the overwhelming majority agrees was in service to Russia's best interest and not that of the US.
The Trump hysteria does not make your projections true.
Answer this one question: Has there been a trial for the 12 Russians indicted for election meddling by a grand jury?
The President of the US stood on stage and gave comfort and relief to the leader and state that just attacked the US in the cyber-sphere which by all accounts is an act of war. This is the definition of treason.
You can bring up whataboutisms until you are blue in the face, that will not change what the whole world witnessed yesterday and the overwhelming majority agrees was in service to Russia's best interest and not that of the US.
The Trump hysteria does not make your projections true.
Answer this one question: Has there been a trial for the 12 Russians indicted for election meddling by a grand jury?
Bump.
Still waiting for an answer...
Of course not, does that help you somehow justify a Fox News talking point? You don't need to address questions like this to me as I won't be answering ridiculous questions any more. When you wake up and want to have actual discourse, I'll be happy to engage.
I'll give Trump the same benefit of the doubt on 'would vs wouldn't' that I gave Obama when he mentioned his "Muslim" faith in an interview with George Stephanopoulos back in 2008...or when Obama said he'd campaigned in all 52 states.
I'll give Trump the same benefit of the doubt on 'would vs wouldn't' that I gave Obama when he mentioned his "Muslim" faith in an interview with George Stephanopoulos back in 2008...or when Obama said he'd campaigned in all 52 states.
You do that, the rest of us will be patriotically protecting the country.
The President of the US stood on stage and gave comfort and relief to the leader and state that just attacked the US in the cyber-sphere which by all accounts is an act of war. This is the definition of treason.
You can bring up whataboutisms until you are blue in the face, that will not change what the whole world witnessed yesterday and the overwhelming majority agrees was in service to Russia's best interest and not that of the US.
The Trump hysteria does not make your projections true.
Answer this one question: Has there been a trial for the 12 Russians indicted for election meddling by a grand jury?
Bump.
Still waiting for an answer...
Of course not, does that help you somehow justify a Fox News talking point? You don't need to address questions like this to me as I won't be answering ridiculous questions any more. When you wake up and want to have actual discourse, I'll be happy to engage.
So..the POTUS on a global stage should berate another world leader for crimes that have not yet been proven in his own court. Got it. (BTW, I have not yet heard that on any news station. That was my immediate, initial response when the lunacy and hysteria began.)
Yeah...they held hands and talked about grandchildren for three hours and ate cookies.
I thought we WERE having civil discourse...until you responded that you won't respond anymore.
I'll give Trump the same benefit of the doubt on 'would vs wouldn't' that I gave Obama when he mentioned his "Muslim" faith in an interview with George Stephanopoulos back in 2008...or when Obama said he'd campaigned in all 52 states.
You do that, the rest of us will be patriotically protecting the country.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but claiming that a lack of words is treasonous is ridiculous.
I also do not buy into his mea culpa today. He is a clear and present danger to national security and I still think a traitor. I honestly look for Mueller to eventually prove that beyond doubt.
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I can't help but notice how the Trump Propaganda Network over at Fox News has handled this situation as well. Completely and entirely Fake News.
And tomorrow he will be calling it a witch hunt again. At this point, I don't know if I would believe him if he had his tax returns in his hand showing he isn't attached to Putin at the hip
Todays alternate fact is... "I didn't mean what I said when I said what I said because what I said I said wasn't what I said I said when I said what I said"
BREAKING NEWS: Trump reverses course and says he ACCEPTS that Russia meddled and meant to say he saw no reason why it would NOT be Putin's spies who interfered in the election
Trump says he misspoke on Russian meddling during press conference, accepts US intel findings
President Trump said Tuesday that he misspoke when he seemed to dismiss allegations of Russian meddling in the 2016 elections, stating clearly that he accepts the U.S. intelligence community's conclusions as he sought to quell a bipartisan firestorm over his press conference with Vladimir Putin.
The president clarified his remarks during a meeting with lawmakers at the White House, in a rare backtrack.
In Helsinki a day earlier, Trump had said he doesn't "see any reason why" Russia would be behind election meddling. This and other comments led to bipartisan outrage and accusations that he was taking Putin's word over the intelligence community's.
But Trump said Tuesday he meant the opposite. He suggested he was surprised by the negative reaction when he returned to Washington.
"I came back and said 'What is going on, what’s the big deal?'” Trump said, adding that he reviewed the transcript and "realized that there is a need for some clarification."
The president told reporters that he meant to say he doesn't see why Russia "wouldn't" be responsible.
“I said the word 'would' instead of 'wouldn't' ... sort of a double negative," he said.
No, just logical and rational without reference to Hitler and Brownshirts and Stalin.. you can be upset, you can raise the volume to 7 or 8... you can voice your opinion.. and you can still be rational.
Someone feeling strongly about a topic does not mean their argument has no merit. Even if someone compares Trumps actions to fascist regimes. If someone's position has flaws, then it shouldn't matter how loud they get. You have room to point out the flaws in their argument. If your only response to someones view is that they are being loud or over the top, it's lazy and ad hominem.
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Is that what all of the hysteria and over-the-top rhetoric and name calling is designed to do, change a Trump supporters mind? Is that what changes your mind, somebody insulting you and calling you a moron, hypocrite, racist, bigot, Nazi? Because if you are a Nazi, then you don't care.. and if you aren't a Nazi, then screw you for calling me one.. either way, you aren't winning me over... you are just making yourself feel better.
In many cases it's not designed to do anything. People being upset typically has no design. If you are losing your job or going bankrupt, chances are you'd be emotional. Are you any less entitled to your position as to how losing your job affects you if you're sobbing? Insults are another thing entirely, and I think you're confusing tone policing with insults. If someone is insulting you, you should call them out on their ad hominem. Just like if someone is saying "you are being too loud," you have the right to call them out on theirs.
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Because after all, if the person wasn't hysterical , maybe you'd listen?
Yes.. I'm much more inclined to listen to somebody make a logical and rational argument, even if I got into it not agreeing with them... than I am to listen to somebody who is hysterical and name-calling and exaggerating and being totally out of control
Can you share a story with me, where your mind was changed on an issue? I'm sure you have. My mind has evolved over the years on things. With that story, can you also share with me the line with which your mind wouldn't have been changed, if the person changing your mind was more passionate? Irrational even? I find this idea that if people speak in hushed tones that we'd all get together in harmony to be profoundly naive. If anything, if my mind was hardened to an idea on the basis of tone, it would indicate I have my own prejudices.
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I don't think that I'm unique.. sometimes I get really angry and I just want to vent and shout horrible things.. but I also understand that I'm far more likely to actually sway somebody's opinion by not doing that.. and I assure you, I've never gone back to re-evaluate my position on something because I was screamed at and insulted...
It's always better to be calm, and you get more with honey than vinegar. Tactical empathy goes a long way. However, I also have come to learn that we cannot enforce this on other people while also discussing issues in good faith. There will be issues that are incredibly passionate to people, and to deny yourself a listen because they are passionate is close mindedness.
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Would you tell a woman who has a missing child that you will be glad to help her, but only if she stops crying? Sure, the missing child is ultimately of little importance to you, but very important to her.
No, that missing child would immediately become very important to me.. and if we were at a Target and a woman started screaming that her child was missing and we found that kid a few aisles over amid some racks of t-shirts, I would feel relief.. then if she started screaming the same thing 10 minutes later, and we found the kid near the toy section, I would feel relief.. if she started again 10 minutes later screaming the same thing... the amount of anxiety I feel over finding that child is really going to start going down because I'll just assume the kid is around here somewhere and she is hysterical... See what I'm saying?
Now we're into boy who cried wolf territory. In this case, the woman's hysteria is not the problem. It's her inability to watch her child. Her losing her child 4 times in a target is a far sight different than losing your child while camping, for instance. See how that works? I don't need to address her hysteria to find the problem.
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Telling people to calm down isn't a call for civility. If anything, it's a lack of empathy.
In the end, people are going to do whatever in the hell they want to do.. I live in no grand illusion that little ol' me is going to change the tide of hatred in this country.. but lack of civility is one of the big reasons we have Trump in the first place. You understand that right? This didn't start with him and it's not going to end with whatever person follows him.. it's going to get worse, he made it worse, a lot worse.. and not only did we let him, we helped him...
Might be a good story for a movie epilogue, but a very simplistic idea of how Trump got elected. Hate contributed to Trumps election in a big way, but you seem to think it's hatred from americans on the left? Unfortunate.
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So you let me know when the hatred, the insults, the name-calling, the hyperbole, from either side starts to make this country better... you know where to find me.
The entire reason I called you into question on tone policing is because that is itself insulting! If someone is hysterical or upset that is one thing, if someone is enraged and calling your names, that's another. As for hyperbole, that can be found in plenty all around us. No one has a monopoly on that...
I think you are misguided on how and what fingerprints are left over the internet. The trial and guilt or otherwise of the 12 people indicted has virtually zero to do with whether the intelligence agencies have proven where the source of the attempts to influence our election came from.
You seem to have nailed your colors to a totally false premise. There is no need for there to be a trial for the government to know what happened. the issue is that Trump still tries to deny there was a foreign country influencing the election in his favor. Whether it's ego or fear of trespasses of a legal nature we'll see.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Seems nobody is buying his excuse outside of the base; Trump is so obvious.
30% of the country are impotent weirdos deluded he's some kind of tough businessman, 30% of conservatives who see him as a useful idiot, 30% of liberals or leftists that see him as a detrimental idiot, and maybe at best 10% who are less engaged and blow in the wind.
Todays alternate fact is... "I didn't mean what I said when I said what I said because what I said I said wasn't what I said I said when I said what I said"
You have never misspoken before?
You know, like on a first date saying "Nice Boobs" when you meant to say " Nice Boots"?
All jokes aside...the haters are going to hate, and a all out affront to our society is in action, and it isn't happening from the Oval Office.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Todays alternate fact is... "I didn't mean what I said when I said what I said because what I said I said wasn't what I said I said when I said what I said"
You have never misspoken before?
You know, like on a first date saying "Nice Boobs" when you meant to say " Nice Boots"?
All jokes aside...the haters are going to hate, and a all out affront to our society is in action, and it isn't happening from the Oval Office.
No peen,I have never said nice boobs when I met nice boots. If I said nice boobs, I met nice boobs!
But at the same time this president has done many many things that would have been reported as a national crisis under any other former president.
Fox and the Looney alt right did this for both of Obama's terms. From bowing to foreign leaders to birthers....
Yeah. I can see where comparing Trump, his actions and the excuses people make for his decisions by sighting Obama and Clinton .... Is EXACTLY like me pointing out that both sides of the media bludgeon topics and mistakes to death and make a mountain out of a mole hill.... Yep. No doubt Bout it. Exactly the same scenario.
Or not... I guess it all depends on if you can read and understand context.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Seems nobody is buying his excuse outside of the base; Trump is so obvious.
30% of the country are impotent weirdos deluded he's some kind of tough businessman, 30% of conservatives who see him as a useful idiot, 30% of liberals or leftists that see him as a detrimental idiot, and maybe at best 10% who are less engaged and blow in the wind.
The fact is, President Trump has been quite tough on Russia.
So much so, the sanctions resemble a Russian nesting doll: one sanction of top of another, on top of another.
Just last April, the Trump administration imposed new sanctions on Russia — including strict sanctions on seven of Russia’s richest individuals and 17 top government officials for their interference in our elections.
The sanctions directly penalized President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle by prohibiting them from traveling to the United States ever again. He did this by opening a bank account in the West, preventing them from doing business with the West and prohibiting anyone else to do business on their behalf.
The sanctions were significant — among the toughest sanctions ever placed on individuals in a foreign country, with the exception of perhaps Iran and North Korea. Yet like many of Trump’s successes, it received minimal mainstream media coverage.
During his first month in office in January 2017, President Trump upheld strict sanctions to punish Russia for its unlawful 2014 annexation of Crimea. With those sanctions, the Trump administration punished more than three dozen individuals and organizations that were behind the invasion of Ukraine.
Even Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin had a hand in the actions, stating that there would be no easing of the sanctions until Russia meets its obligations under the 2015 Minsk agreement — the ceasefire agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
In August 2017, Trump signed a bill slapping even more sanctions on Russia — this time specifically aimed at the country’s energy and defense industries. Congress made the legislation Trump-proof, meaning that no executive order could ever undo such sanctions; yet Trump signed it anyway.
In fact it was Trump — not Obama — who ordered the closure of Russian diplomatic properties in San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and New York City that appeared to be a threat to American security.
It was also President Trump who shuttered the Russian consulate in Seattle.
To be sure, Obama kicked 35 Russian diplomats out of the country after suspected election meddling by Russia, but only after Trump won the 2016 election. It is questionable whether he would have done so had Hillary Clinton succeeded in being the victor.
Furthermore, it was President Trump who led the world in expelling Russian diplomats after the Russian government was suspected of carrying out a nerve agent attack in the United Kingdom against one of their former spies. President Trump moved swiftly to expel 60 Russian diplomats from U.S. soil, and other countries followed suit by expelling dozens as well.
In addition to stringent sanctions, President Trump has also called out Russia publicly.
During a landmark speech last year in Poland, Trump lambasted Russia for using oil to hold NATO’s Eastern European countries hostage. Trump underscored the dangers of those countries’ dependence on Russian oil deliveries to keep their people warm during the winter, leading to their inability to criticize Russia the rest of the year.
The Trump administration even offered to help identify alternative energy sources for the region. Trump’s remarks on European soil was the energy industry equivalent of Reagan’s “tear down that wall” speech.
Compare all of the above actions to Obama’s milquetoast policy on Russia and outright appeasement on issues such as the “red line” that Russia blew right past in Syria. Obama’s lackluster track record with Russia is in stark contrast to the Trump administration that has already, in its first 18 months, surpassed what Obama did over a total of eight years.
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