DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Dez Bryant Anyone?

I talked about him in another thread. I think everyone who responded opposed the idea.

I read things like:

--he's lost a step

--he was never that fast to begin with

--he's a head case

I agree w/most of that. However, people are only looking at the negatives. I look at those, but I also look at the positives.

While me may have lost a step, he's tall. Our other WRs [if Josh isn't going to be here]are not so tall. Thus, Dez could be our big WR. The guy you throw jump balls and back shoulders to in the end zone. The guy you throw to over the middle in sit-down routes over the middle. The guy you throw to in short yardage situations because he can go and get the ball.

Also, I don't think he is the "head case" some make him out to be. He isn't TO. I think the dude is very passionate and expressive, but I don't think he is the "me" player TO was.

I am not sure if we should sign him, but I think a lot of people aren't really analyzing this situation logically.

I understand what you are saying, but we do have 2 tall guys (admittedly TE's) Fells and Njoku. My concern is that if we sign a "name" WR, this may indicate that JG is not expected back anytime soon. At this point, I simply don't know what to think about Gordon but I hope he is back in 2-3 weeks...

Did you watch the presser with Hue and Dorsey? When asked they said they would put Coleman in at Josh's spot if he was not ready.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/video/hue-jackson-and-john-dorsey-open-2018-training-camp

link

I'm not saying we should sign Dez. I'm just putting out some information and thoughts. I also don't count TEs as WRs like some folks do. I'm pretty sure that Dez is a better route runner than either of our TEs.

And again, I am not saying we should sign Dez, but I would not be surprised if we do.

That did not sound like a ringing endorsement to me.

Dwayne Bowe.......

Kenny Britt......

Dez Bryant......?

He'd have to be an Anquan Bolden type in his later years ... strong, possession WR who accepts being a 3rd/4th option on the field. I can't see Dez just taking that hit to his ego

I agree and agree with a earlier post of yours that while there are negatives, there are also positives. Those can't be ignored.

In the end Dorsey has to weigh it out as ask himself if signing Bryant would make us a better football team.

I get on Hue, but Hue does have a good record of building good relationships with his players. Hue might be able to take some of the edge off Bryants negatives.

By the way, the Patriots supposedly love Kenny Britt.

I also do not think that Britt and Bowe are not quite a fair comparison to Bryant.

I want nuttin to do with Dez .. hes not who he used to be ... but he’s way better than Bowe was when we got him ...

Not sure what happend with Britt last year .... something happend ... no clue ... a divorce, lost a close relative, just hated C-town ... i have no clue ... Britt was a very bad signing and hes not that good but hes way better than he showed last year ...

And he’s 50/50 to make the team in NE ... if he sticks to start the year ... he’ll be in the convo for release when Edelman comes off suspension ...

I think he's starting the year on the PUP list too

I wouldn't really have a problem seeing Dez on the roster. Now Pac Man, that's an entirely different issue.

So you pick DB over Pak-Mon? Just really two choices I don't want and I started this thread when it was a choice. Now it's a need.

J/C
I always felt that Dez's sideline demeanor was misunderstood. He might have looked angry or self-indugent but I think it was just the intensity in his personality that was easy for detractors to latch on to.

Without going back and trying to pinpoint the exact moment his performance started to decline; I'll say that generally it started when Romo was no longer the QB. The two of them had a chemistry that he was never able to duplicate with Prescott. So as EO mentioned in his post, was it mainly Dez or was it that Prescott's abilities couldn't take advantage of the Bryant's skills? On that question where does the truth rest? I don't have an answer.

As far as Dez's present career options, the Brown's aren't a serious consideration, for him. And, because of this I don't think he's a good fit in Cleveland. He still wants to be a #1, deep ball receiver. I don't think he's anywhere near the vertical threat that Gordon is, so he can't bring that dimension to the Brown's offense. I think he would expect to dominate targets. The short to intermediate passing game with rhythm passing and a run heavy element that I expect the Brown's to use doesn't seem to match Bryant self-perception. Also he's not likely to view the Brown's as among the competitive elite of the league where he believes he belongs. Those are a lot of barriers to work through for the Browns to bring him in. I'd rather invest the effort in developing WRs we already have.

I agree that he is more passionate than butt hole. He isn't TO.

The only thing that would worry me is that I think he needs a strong qb in the huddle. Someone who won't be overly influenced by him demanding the ball. Someone like Rodgers or Brady, who would tell him to Stfu and just get open.

J/C

Yesterday Charley Casserly on NFL Network had some pretty pointed criticism of the current state of Dez's game as reason's the Brown's should pass on him. Then Dez clapped back with a tweet. Casserly came back on today with tape demonstrating that Dez isn't separating from coverage and that his route running is undisciplined.

To be fair he selected two plays each showing one of the deficiencies he is pointing out. Two plays alone aren't enough evidence to say this is who Dez has become as a player. But it does give you pause.

Good info. I

I think that is important, because if Dez is not a good route runner, it will be much harder for him to make the transition I an envisioning.

I freely admit that while I said I thought he was a better route runner than either of our TEs, I am not very sure of how good of a route runner he is.

I thought he was okay at that part of the game, but perhaps I was mistaken????

an interesting breakdown...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25mQ4eCtw0U

To be fair TT is not totally established as that guy. He still has to show that leadership to this new group and us fans.

Hope all is well Tabby?

I know you will, tabber. Pulling for both you and GM.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns have reached out to Dez Bryant's representatives about the three-time Pro Bowl receiver signing a one-year deal with the Browns, a league source told cleveland.com.

If talks progress, Bryant will come to Cleveland to get a feel for the organization, and if all goes well, he could become a Brown.

In Cleveland, Bryant, 29, would step in and get significant playing time in place of Josh Gordon, who's currently away from the team to work on his overall health and treatment plan.

The Browns have no idea when Gordon will be back, and the NFL has said 'there's no timetable for his return.' The league has also said it will 'deal with the matter at the appropriate time.'

Bryant, who turned down a multi-year offer from the Ravens, has made it clear he wants to play for a contender, but a one-year 'prove it' deal with the Browns could be just what he needs to get his career back on track.

Bryant is represented by Jay-Z's Roc Nation, which also represents Browns coach Hue Jackson.

On Thursday, Jackson's agent John Thornton was on the sidelines at Browns training camp in Berea talking to Browns owner Jimmy Haslam and GM John Dorsey, and the subject of Bryant undoubtedly came up.



Dorsey says Bryant is on his radar

In 2017, Bryant caught 69 passes for 838 yards and six touchdowns. The Cowboys released him to save cap space, but Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Thursday that Bryant can still play.

"Dez is an NFL player," Jones said, via Charean Williams of profootballtalk.com. "There's no doubt in my mind, and [he] can really contribute. It was best for us that we're in the spot we're in, but when I say us, it includes Dez. I believe that strongly. "I love Dez. I spent a lot of time -- and inordinate amount of time with Dez -- but this is for the best. But he's certainly good enough player that he can help people.

"He can help teams win games. I say that unequivocally. I believe that. Just look at our last few games and see if he made any plays against Oakland or anybody. He did."

Haslam and Jones are friends, and Jones would probably recommend Haslam sign him.

Browns players such as Baker Mayfield are excited about the prospect of a Bryant joining the team.

"We have talent in that room so we're expecting somebody to step up, but obviously any time you talk about bringing in a guy like that from Texas, that's pretty exciting,'' Mayfield said. "He's a good player and so we'll see what happens but for now, we're good with what we have."



Bryant has three 1,000 yards seasons to his credit, and has averaged more than 800 yards and seven TDs in each of his last two seasons.

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/07/browns_and_dez_bryants_reps_ha.html

Even after trying to justify the signing, I'm still not on board with potentially bringing in Dez or Pacman...

Nope nope nopers.

Isn't be ok with dez... worry about his attitude but think we can work with it with hailey... pacman wasn't thwt good on the field... ain't worth the off the field crap...

Haven't seen you around Mac.....hope all is well.

He is not in a position to get all his druthers anymore. A one-year with lots to prove contract could be best fit. Interested in seeing how he handles it. If all he wants is to dictate terms, see ya. TO 2:The Sequel.

I always liked Terrelle Pryor, but I have to admit his post-possession sideline rants were annoying to me. I was always like "STFU, man, and let your play on the field speak for you.". If Dez Bryant comes in here and starts throwing tantrums on the sidelines like he did in Dallas, I hope Myles Garrett or Joel Bitonio or somebody body-slams his diva ass and tells him to shut his freaking pie-hole, or get off the field.

No tolerance for that from any player or coach. You sound like I did! LOLetc. But I don't want that either. Your chemistry is incredibly fragile and resilient at the same time. One individual playing hero-ball is tough. We will have enough struggles without this artificial diva crap. No truth to any rumor that he might want to be here just for the HBO opportunity. Is Ocho Sinko available? Just asking'. . . .

j/c:

If the Browns are this interested in Dez, what does that say about Gordon's situation?

Keep your heads buried in the sand.

Very concerning...

Whether we do or we don't sign him I like the fact that big names are now putting Cleveland on their radar. That speaks volumes about how players around the league are beginning to view the Browns.

Saying that...maybe the Browns are the only team showing true interest as he's still available.

Of course it's concerning but this is still all guessing, shooting the breeze as if we were at a bar talking Browns football.

We do NOT know.