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I think it was stupid to waste time with Joel at anything but LT. Everyone knew that was an obvious, easy and good fit. Why the hell did they wait so long?

Its still early in training camp.

You have to get different OL combos on the field to find the best 5.

It was obvious to many that Shon Coleman was never going to be a legit. option at LT.

I don't believe the answer to the position is on our roster at the present time. I believe we'll just use the body that looks as close to the part as we have and address the position next year.

It's too early for me to make a ton of predictions on the OL. I have a few thoughts, but those will obviously change as I see these guys play more.

I think only one thing is certain. That is, this year's OL is not as strong as last year's. Bitonio is not going to be as good at LT as Joe was and I seriously doubt that Corbett will be as good as Bitonio at LG.

A few thoughts:

--I think Bitonio will do okay at LT. However, I would not be shocked to see the Browns bring in another LT if they can find one.

--I can't comment on Corbett because I don't ever recall watching him play.

--Our center and RG are the same from last year, so nothing new here.

--RT is interesting. Coleman was pretty good when he could get physical, but he missed some assignments and his lateral movement hurt in pass pro. I have a lot of family members and friends who are huge Steeler fans. They tell me that Hubbard was more effective inside than he was outside. I don't really remember him, so I can't say anything else about him.

The OL is certainly one of the main groups to watch closely this preseason and as the season unfolds.

With the shuffling of JB out to the tackle position, and the insertion of AC, I am hopeful it results in a better overall line. The shuffling of o-linemen the Pats did a couple of seasons ago is my benchmark. After they did that, their line seemed to gel well.

Having AC between two vets will help with the learning of the system, and provide enough support that he will be able to get into a groove.

As always, in the TC time hope springs eternal.

The good news thus far: Hubbard has sounded very solid

I am concerned about Zeitler's injury and the switching of LT, but at this piont there's no other option

The Corbett pick was confusing to say the least.

I was anticipating Conner Williams who went to the Cowboys at 50.

no matter how you slice it the oline is more question ???? than certinity.
I think with the shuffling of bodies i would expect more 2 TE sets to help the OTs out.
the problem now is that you cant afford a injury to Bitonio.
the left side is now the weakest area on the football team.
Robinson might surprise. can Wylie produce a miracle??
Drango is just soft.
i think the.future LT is still.a year away.

Like tackling (or missing tackles, as we have seen), the bigger half of blocking is wanting to do it. I hope Bitonio's eager to do it. This makes his spot weaker and LT weaker as well IMO.

Hope to see him handle it out there.

based on Garrett's synopsis, Bitonio is still just as good at LT. That's good early news

With Robinson the only tape we need to watch is his pro tape. I suppose something might happen and we somehow unlock the potential he had when he was drafted, but Ii doubt it.

All in all I think we have a pretty good group as starters, and a couple of quality inside back-up's in Drango and Reiter. Drango can even press to a tackle position and not get totally punked.

A few of the others might be OK...it will be interesting to see.

I suspect this position group will be especially targeted with waiver wire transactions once camp cut start to happen. A few of these guys will make the team, be for only a few days once Dorsey sees who is being cut off other teams.

I think this was actually THE PLAN. See if Coleman/Bitonio was better than Bitonio/Corbett. They now have their answer.

I agree. I read somewhere, yesterday or the day before, that Cameron Erving has worked is way into the starting C roll in KC. If he can figure it out, maybe Robinson can as well. Or not.

Thats so wierd ...

Last week i went to the Chefs board and they were saying how bad Erving was at C ... but they were holding out hope that whatever clicked in Shon Colemans head that allowed him to work his way into our LT job could happen with Erving ... ...

If Erving or Robinson were drafted in the 4th Rd, they'd be talked about as success-stories rather than reclamation-projects.

The title of this thread is OL, so my opinion.

New theory (for me) started about a month ago, that Offensive lines aren't really as important as they used to be. It's all about the Qb, and getting the ball out of his hands quickly.

edit: I think I mis expressed my feeling on the OL's across the NFL in 2018.

It would be better if I'd said, the OL is going to work itself out, and what has lost its importance is the thinking that some combination is going to be more effective than another.

Or that the battle for the perfect combination of addressing each individual position on the OL is going to result in some super effective group that outperforms what any other combination might have done.

I mean, I think the OL is going to work itself out and even if they aren't as good it's not going to matter as much

Exactly. The OL is going to be mediocre to below average no matter who they put in, Not a team strength this year because of growing pains.

So To Fret, is unproductive as we watch this work itself out.

I guessing that you're new here. Welcome to the board.

OK GC.

In the 2016 playoffs the Atlanta Falcons used an OL in on the DL.

With the injury to Tevon Coley along with so many others, What Browns OL would provide the most upside to fill in on the interior D-line for a few snaps, in run support.

Pfft. It can't be the also injured Zeitler.

You forgot to use purple.

garett aside, there is immediate net downside in my opinion. I get best talent for greater need, but I do think we net out weakened on the left. Best of luck to all involved. With the upgrades, the needs are standing out more clearly.

Go, Browns! Make it work!

I’m feeling pretty optimistic about the move of Bitonio and the insertion of Corbett. I have no valid reason for it. Just blind homerism, I guess.

If it does work out, though, we are set for the line for years. JB is under contract for four more years, Corbett is here for at least that long, Zeitler has 3(?) years left on his, as does Tretter.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

So, we can offer JB a big bonus check to make him paid correctly for the position, and spread that out over a couple seasons. So no cap death. Am I thinking right?

j/c

I'll be honest, I gave Shon Coleman about 5% chance to be the LT ... I just don't think he's a very good player. Backup material.

I currently give Bitonio a 50/50 shot

IMO, the long term solution will be: Bitonio back to LG, Corbett at Center, and we draft a LT next season (it's a good class)

I really haven't looked closely at next years class of LT's yet, but I knew this year there was very slim pickings at the position. I fully understood the position that put this FO in.

From my perspective this FO directed their efforts at upgrading positions of need where they felt there were options available to do so. LT certainly wasn't one of those positions.

next year's draft is strong on DT/DE and OL ... so IMO, that was part of the reason we passed on Chubb and LT

An early look , guys to keep an eye on in the College ranks.

Name College Height | Weight
Greg Little Mississippi 6-6 | 325
Trey Adams Washington 6-8 | 331
Jonah Williams Alabama 6-5 | 301
Mitch Hyatt Clemson 6-5 | 305
David Edwards Wisconsin 6-7 | 319
Prince Tega Wanagho Auburn 6-7 | 307
Isaiah Prince Ohio State 6-7 | 310
Andre Dillard Washington State 6-5 | 305
Bobby Evans Oklahoma 6-5 | 299
Michael Deiter Wisconsin 6-6 | 321

Thanks for the heads up water.

what worries me is that Bitonio now has to change his weight to play LT and he doesnt sound excited to play LT to.boot.
he hasnt played LT in 4 yrs.
this isnt a automatic seemless transition for him.
if i recall wasnt Dorsey hit and miss drafting olineman in Kansas City?
i think Eric Fisher is a bust out there.
if Botonio goes down the left side is in real big trouble

Agreed. I think the plan is to have the guys compete....try different combos....find the best combination and get them reps together heading into the 3rd preseason game. Until then i'm not gonna sweat any OL shuffles that occur.

Smart to see this stuff BEFORE injuries happen. The Shuffle on OL has been a tradition here.

Want to see some of these guys.

Joel is Joe Thomas approved so I think he will do fine. I also think Joe will do everything he can to make sure his buddy is ready to go.

The dark horse for me is Spencer because I thought he did pretty decent filling in after Joe got hurt.

Is that true? I haven't read that.

You have been around olinemen enough to know that from now,until the end of the season,it is extremely rare for a guy to gain weight.
I assume that is what he is talking about,because it almost impossible for a guy to get taller or grow longer arms.

I was just wondering why Bitonio had to "change" his weight? Is he saying he has to get heavier or lighter? I just haven't read about it. I'm genuinely curious.

my assumption would be he'd have to trip down a bit right?

Bitonio is about what 318 320 now.
i was talking to ex Brown Darnell Sanders the other day and I asked him about Bitonio moving to LT how drastic is it....he said Joel should be around 305 to 310
he said its easier making a transition from tackle to guard.

I guess that is what he's saying. I'm just wondering if it's true?

Bitonio weighs 315 lbs. Joe Thomas was 312. Andrew Whitworth is 333 lbs. The dude for the Steelers is 320 lbs. Nate Solder is 320 lbs. Eric Decker is 315 lbs.

I don't see why Bitonio has to adjust his weight?

FWIW
The Browns site has him at 6-4 and 305.
I found this interesting,Corbett is 6-4 and 306,pretty much a carbon copy.
They also have the rookie QB at 6-1.
Only if he's wearing 3/4"cleats.