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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
It is my hope that you quit reading my posts altogether. That way I won't have to listen to your biased, hateful replies again.



too bad, snowflake.


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Great comeback.

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it wasnt a comeback.


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A lot of Ohio State and Urban haters


there was no point in reading any further.

im a huge buckeye fan and i was happy when we hired urban.

this has jack to do with football loyalty and everything to do with domestic violence and covering it up.


Who is covering anything up? He reported the ALLEGATIONS. Thats all it is. Allegations. Don't call someone a harsh name like Woman Abuser when he has never been convicted of anything. If I start saying you beat woman does that immediately make you guilty?

This is all ridiculous. It was dumb for Urban to lie. I don't get it. I also don't understand why Smith was fired now as opposed to back then. I imagine all of that will come out soon enough. However the witch hunt on Meyer is unfounded right now. The only thing he did wrong is not be completely honest with the media. Big whoop. That is not a crime.




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You finally made a good point. It was a worthless comment. At least you are consistent.

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Good post. Some just like to tear others down.

Like I said earlier, the claims of the wife coming to practices drunk and going off will be easy to prove or disprove. The claims that she called 911 so many times w/in a short period of time that they quit responding to her calls because they were not credible should be easy to prove or disprove.

Yet, we got guys like cfrs and Swish convicting men and an institution before the facts are in.

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Zach Smith told @1057TheZone he never abused Courtney. Here is text message b/w Zach & Courtney when he admits & apologizes for strangling his wife on Punta Cana trip in March 2015 & again in April


https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1025500090578939904?s=21

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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Zach Smith told @1057TheZone he never abused Courtney. Here is text message b/w Zach & Courtney when he admits & apologizes for strangling his wife on Punta Cana trip in March 2015 & again in April


https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1025500090578939904?s=21


What will you say if it is proven that the wife made so many bogus calls to the police that they stopped responding to them? What will you say if it is proven if the wife went to practice several times and was drunk and unruly? What will you say if it comes out that she is doing this for money?

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
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Zach Smith told @1057TheZone he never abused Courtney. Here is text message b/w Zach & Courtney when he admits & apologizes for strangling his wife on Punta Cana trip in March 2015 & again in April


https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1025500090578939904?s=21


What will you say if it is proven that the wife made so many bogus calls to the police that they stopped responding to them? What will you say if it is proven if the wife went to practice several times and was drunk and unruly? What will you say if it comes out that she is doing this for money?


What will you say if the allegations are true? What will you say if Urban knowingly protected a woman beater?

I'm all for letting this play out, and Meyer absolutely deserves for this to be investigated and proven one way or the other. If the wife lied, prosecute her. If she didn't, Smith should be in jail and Meyer should lose him job immediately.

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Zach Smith told @1057TheZone he never abused Courtney. Here is text message b/w Zach & Courtney when he admits & apologizes for strangling his wife on Punta Cana trip in March 2015 & again in April


https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1025500090578939904?s=21


What will you say if it is proven that the wife made so many bogus calls to the police that they stopped responding to them? What will you say if it is proven if the wife went to practice several times and was drunk and unruly? What will you say if it comes out that she is doing this for money?


What will you say if the allegations are true? What will you say if Urban knowingly protected a woman beater?

I'm all for letting this play out, and Meyer absolutely deserves for this to be investigated and proven one way or the other. If the wife lied, prosecute her. If she didn't, Smith should be in jail and Meyer should lose him job immediately.
I agree with this ... however, the issue lies in the gray area ... what if NEITHER is proven?


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Originally Posted By: cle23
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Zach Smith told @1057TheZone he never abused Courtney. Here is text message b/w Zach & Courtney when he admits & apologizes for strangling his wife on Punta Cana trip in March 2015 & again in April


https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/status/1025500090578939904?s=21


What will you say if it is proven that the wife made so many bogus calls to the police that they stopped responding to them? What will you say if it is proven if the wife went to practice several times and was drunk and unruly? What will you say if it comes out that she is doing this for money?


What will you say if the allegations are true? What will you say if Urban knowingly protected a woman beater?

I'm all for letting this play out, and Meyer absolutely deserves for this to be investigated and proven one way or the other. If the wife lied, prosecute her. If she didn't, Smith should be in jail and Meyer should lose him job immediately.


I will say that both men should be punished.

I am simply countering the wishes of posters like cfrs and Swish who are convicting men before all of the facts are in and a trial has taken place.

I have no idea why that would bother anyone????????

And for the record, I will admit that I really don't believe the woman. I believe that the couple had some huge issues and things got out of hand. However, I think she is whacked and trying to make money off of this.

I have NOT expressed my thoughts until this time because I could be 100 per cent wrong! I'm trying to be fair, but it is bothering me that guys like cfrs and Swish are convicting Urban and the husband w/out all the facts in place.

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Bro, you don' think the calls to 911 and the refusal of the police can be proven or not?

You don't think there weren't witnesses to her showing up drunk and causing chaos at Ohio State can be verified or not?

Really?

If both of those things were lies, then her case looks stronger.

If they are both true, her case looks weaker.

Yes? No?

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Bro, you don' think the calls to 911 and the refusal of the police can be proven or not?

You don't think there weren't witnesses to her showing up drunk and causing chaos at Ohio State can be verified or not?

Really?

If both of those things were lies, then her case looks stronger.

If they are both true, her case looks weaker.

Yes? No?
There's no doubt her case looks MUCH weaker today than it did 2 days ago ... my point is that neither side will be proven 100%.

If you put a gun to my head and asked "What happened?" .. my GUESS would be that she's unstable and they've had TONS of incidents, fake 911 calls, and drama for years.

Tantamount to crying wolf .. and OSU did its due diligence, but was tired of the drama.

When they fired him, she panicked because the money was gonna be gone .. and is lashing back


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Meyer didn't protect him. He reported the allegations.

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I agree w/that take, but I think both you and I w/hold talking about things as if they are set in stone.

It just bothers me that crfs, Swish, and a couple of others have already convicted the accused. That's not fair.

They are like Nazis. Convict a man before a fair trial and rely only on personal opinions on certain people and groups.

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you say my name more than God.


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Only because God doesn't make as many dumb and hateful comments as you do.

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I agree w/you too ... I don't like to convict people without knowing the details in full ... I really haven't followed who's on who's side here, just trying to stay neutral til we know


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Only because God doesn't make as many dumb and hateful comments as you do.


Yea, he just drowns people and makes one family repopulate the earth by incest. Great guy.


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I agree w/you too ... I don't like to convict people without knowing the details in full ... I really haven't followed who's on who's side here, just trying to stay neutral til we know


Same. Which is why I always use phrases like "if" and "probably".

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No way should he be fired. It's wrong to convict people w/out knowing all of the facts and/or a trial.


That is why he is on paid leave right now. People are looking in to the facts. If the facts stack against him, he will be terminated.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

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If I'm following the interview correctly, Smith says that Meyer, OSU's athletic department did the correct things ... the police department took the info, investigated, and never charged anybody



If Smith is innocent, why did Meyer fire him? If Meyer actually believes he is innocent, then he should have stood by his guy no matter what. Also, why did Meyer lie to the press?


Because people like you call for people's heads before they get all the facts...


So he’s a coward?


Says the guy calling for people to be fired from behind his keyboard.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life

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Zach Smith said he thinks this should have stayed behind closed doors, nothing illegal happened and now his kids have to deal with it being out in the open.


Hey Zach, when you bruise her below the sleeve, you're making your DV open. I'm sure the kids will be glad you're not beating their mother anymore.

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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
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No way should he be fired. It's wrong to convict people w/out knowing all of the facts and/or a trial.


That is why he is on paid leave right now. People are looking in to the facts. If the facts stack against him, he will be terminated.


I wasn't talking about the actual investigation. I was referring to some of the posters on here and a large segment of the national media.

I want to add that he might be punished/terminated even if the facts don't support a punishment because the university is receiving so much scrutiny over the allegations.

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The facts show that she had it coming to him.

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You are really going to use a text message with no timestamp and no phone number as your proof? Good luck with that...

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Originally Posted By: OrangeCrush
You are really going to use a text message with no timestamp and no phone number as your proof? Good luck with that...



Considering that's how iPhones work, I don't have too much of a problem with it.

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lol refs what are you doing?

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If I'm following the interview correctly, Smith says that Meyer, OSU's athletic department did the correct things ... the police department took the info, investigated, and never charged anybody



If Smith is innocent, why did Meyer fire him? If Meyer actually believes he is innocent, then he should have stood by his guy no matter what. Also, why did Meyer lie to the press?


Because people like you call for people's heads before they get all the facts...


So he’s a coward?


Says the guy calling for people to be fired from behind his keyboard.


I’ve only said that if these things are true he will be fired. I’ve never called for him to be fired right now. Nice try. Also, this is the largest platform I have. So of course I will voice it my opinion, if I had a larger platform I would say the same thing (as many are).

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lol refs what are you doing?


So you can say that Zach Smith didn't beat his wife and be fine, but when you say that she deserved to be beat by Zach Smith, it's not OK? You guys are rich.

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So, if, it comes out that Meyer did report it, and it was investigated, and it was found that it's just a he said/she said with no solid proof of abuse, then will you use your platform to apologize?

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You are really going to use a text message with no timestamp and no phone number as your proof? Good luck with that...



Considering that's how iPhones work, I don't have too much of a problem with it.


You do know that you can change that name at the top to say anything you want, right?

Give me two phone and I can make you say anything I want via text message!

Not saying it isn't true, but if McMurphy is basing this whole story on pictures and texts from Courtney's phone...haha.

There is a reason you need to use phone records in court, not just screenshots of your phone.

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You are really going to use a text message with no timestamp and no phone number as your proof? Good luck with that...



Considering that's how iPhones work, I don't have too much of a problem with it.


You do know that you can change that name at the top to say anything you want, right?

Give me two phone and I can make you say anything I want via text message!

Not saying it isn't true, but if McMurphy is basing this whole story on pictures and texts from Courtney's phone...haha.

There is a reason you need to use phone records in court, not just screenshots of your phone.


If it did have his phone number, could you even recognize it?

Also, reporters don't get access to phone records. If you guys are waiting for a court case, I'd suggest you don't hold your breath.

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Only because God doesn't make as many dumb and hateful comments as you do.


Yea, he just drowns people and makes one family repopulate the earth by incest. Great guy.


This is not accurate, Noah’s sons brought their wives.


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Many aspects of this on both sides don’t add up ..

Main question for me at this point ...

If dude did nuttin wrong then why did they fire him ...

At this point .. I have no clue what a=happend or who to believe ...

The “alledged” drunk, stalker whacko wife

OR

The OSU folks who have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that winning trumps all ..

Tough call ...

I wonder if we’ll ever find out the truth on this one ...




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there's a lot of stuff on both sides of the issue, but I think the Powell PD will be the deciding factor.

If they cleared him of any charges Meyer will keep his job IMO


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So, if, it comes out that Meyer did report it, and it was investigated, and it was found that it's just a he said/she said with no solid proof of abuse, then will you use your platform to apologize?


Apologize for what and to whom? Saying that if Urban Meyer covered up spousal abuse he probably should be fired? Or am I supposed to apologize to you for hurting your feelings?

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there's a lot of stuff on both sides of the issue, but I think the Powell PD will be the deciding factor.

If they cleared him of any charges Meyer will keep his job IMO


http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180803/powell-police-refuse-to-release-report-involving-zach-smith

Powell refusing to release the police report because the case is still 'open' (despite nothing happening in 2.5+ years) and releasing the info would identify the suspect (lol).

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there's a lot of stuff on both sides of the issue, but I think the Powell PD will be the deciding factor.

If they cleared him of any charges Meyer will keep his job IMO


http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180803/powell-police-refuse-to-release-report-involving-zach-smith

Powell refusing to release the police report because the case is still 'open' (despite nothing happening in 2.5+ years) and releasing the info would identify the suspect (lol).
I thought I read somewhere that she requested it to NOT be released?


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