DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Corey Coleman Traded to Bills

Do you think Dez or some other deal is already worked out? I personally do not think that first round means part-time work. We don't have much results for his being here IMO

I'm hoping it's more about liking the other WRs already on the roster than adding someone like Dez.

Another perspective:

COREY COLEMAN SERVES AS REMINDER OF DRAFT RISK

ear in and year out, NFL franchises across the league are suckered into high risk selections, hoping that their coaching staff will be the lucky ones to unlock the ability of a terrific athlete. In 2016, the Cleveland Browns fell into this trap with their targeting of wide receiver Corey Coleman. The team drafted the explosive and undersized pass catcher from Baylor University with the 15th overall selection.

Coleman was a mid-year Heisman front runner, thanks to six consecutive 100+ yard performances to start the season and a mind-boggling 20 receiving touchdowns in the team’s first 8 games. But suddenly, the cupcakes disappeared on the schedule. Coleman was held out of the end-zone for the team’s final 4 regular season games, 3 of which the previously undefeated Bears lost.

Coleman scratched out just one catch for eight yards against #7 ranked TCU, the definitive blow to any hope Coleman had at landing the biggest individual prize in football.

Coleman would go on to win the Biletnikoff Award, but miss the team’s bowl game thanks to a sports hernia before declaring early for the NFL Draft.

Throughout the Draft process, Coleman would be compared to wide receivers such as Anquan Boldin, Phillip Dorsett, Emmanuel Sanders, Steve Smith and Antonio Brown. In hindsight, the only thing all of these players have in common is that they have nothing in common at all.

Production can have a nasty way of persuading the eyeballs of things that aren’t truly there. In Coleman’s specific case, limited route running and poor hands were masked by the plays that Coleman did make, so much so that the two vital pieces of playing receiver were overlooked.

Coleman, although undersized, became an athletic marvel after he jumped over 40 inches in the vertical and was clocked in at 4.37 in the 40-yard dash. And the risk involved with the idea of investing in him became more and more secondary.

Some of the notes from Coleman’s 2016 NFL Draft evaluation:

Runs an extremely limited tree…made up of go, slant, post, smoke and comebacks.
Does not work to manipulate coverage.
Will drop throws if hitting on the back shoulder.
Struggles to reach behind frame to haul in throws testing catch radius.
Not exposed to a high level of advanced WR play.
Has taken advantage of spread system to stress secondary…needs to be mentally reconditioned for performance at the next level.
Needless to say, Coleman’s efforts to transition smoothly have been in vain. He’s been dogged by multiple broken hands, plus hamstring issues in each of his three seasons in the NFL (including this year’s training camp).

With just 56 catches for 718 yards and 5 touchdowns through two years to his name, his bags are now packed for the move north. The Buffalo Bills, who are in dire straits with their own wide receiver group, have flipped a 2020 7th-round draft pick to Cleveland for Coleman.

It’s a move that makes sense for Buffalo, given their big armed rookie passer and the low investment cost to take a chance on that athletic talent.

But may Coleman’s story serve as the latest reminder that playing football is much, much more important than being an athlete.

http://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/08/06/corey-coleman-serves-as-reminder-of-draft-risk/

I understand Higgins is in camp this year and doing well. I share your hope, but every roster spot opening is probably intentional at this point in the year. Hope we get a player who is worth it.
Dorsey is a busy guy.

Yeah, Higgins is the guy who has reportedly been consistently good in camp this year. I hope he can step-up for us.

I have said it before and still repeat myself that I do not care who wins us ballgames, especially after last year.

I want to see what Higgins brings to the field this year. Really curious.

The guy didn't run routes in college. The guy still doesn't run good routes. He would have been a nice 3rd round value slot/speed guy for a contending team team.....

I had a 2nd round grade on Higgins and a 3rd on Coleman. Other than being fast, I just never saw anything in Coleman and I mean anything at all that made me think he had even a small chance to make it in this league. He has amazing speed but he struggled with press, his routes werent sharp, his hands were questionable, he was always battling an injury in college. None of that has changed.

Now on the brightside, Callaway is a top 15 talent. so maybe it will work out for us. Dorsey has attacked the receiver position. He may or may not be done but i loved that he brought in Landry and drafted Callaway and I love the fact that he hasnt wasted more time on Coleman.

I honestly thing that if a WR can't dominate in training camp, he has a very limited space in the NFL. Everything favors the WR until the real games start.

I would say the same thing about QB's....

So its a pre-requisite, but not an indicator for success, because many Wr's that do well in training camps are complete busts.

Looks like being sent home early from Houston last year for disciplinary reasons and his alleged involvement in the New Year's eve fight played a role in shipping CoCo out.

No, we don't know the pick, yet.... it is just listed as 'undisclosed', which makes me think we probably got a conditional 7th, lol

question that I don't know: is his contract completely off our books since we traded him?

2020 7th I just read

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/08/for_1st-rounder_corey_coleman.html


But he's gotta pass his physical



I don't think we got worthy value to be honest. But who knows. If they deem Higgins worth more than Coleman and Josh Gordon is expected back, maybe he'd have struggled making the team. Especially if they don't want to put Ratley on the practice squad.

1) Landry
2) Higgins
3) Callaway
4) Janus/Ratley
5) Gordon


EDIT: To Bonefish: lol, I wanted both Coleman and Gilbert (among other players), so I'm not doing any better


But I do wonder if they just don't like his fit and attitude on the team. Last year he had the incident where he was sent home with Kenny Britt. And then that fight with his brother outside a hotel or whatever.

As someone posted what Nathan Zegura said earlier, maybe this is more than what we've seen on the practice field

i think we got rid of coleman a little too quick...I would have atleast let him play a couple preseason games maybe get more value.. theres something we're not being told.

Can we dip the human in "stickum"?

im a bit worried if Duke Johnson is the 2nd best WR
on this team. that means Gordon isnt on the field
and the younger WRs arent progressing
Duke is a talented football player.
hes plenty fast his hands are better than average.
I just dont see him being a All Pro WR.
that means production wise he would have to be on par with Antonio Brown Tyrek Hill AJ Green Odell Beckham DeAndre Hopkins etc
very few RBs make a successful transition to WR in tbe NFL.
Stanley Morgan is the only one i know that made the transition and ended up being a All Pro.
for Duke to be a All Pro thats means he would to beat All Pro CB across from him lined up.
i dont think among his hundreds of catches hes had to beat a All Pro CB in press coverage not once.
he would only have to get matched up.on a LB or 2nd best CB at best.
hes a good option but hes not making the NFL Networks top.100 anytime soon as a WR.
Coleman was fools gold from Baylor.
just another example of porous scouting and poor desicion from Sashi to draft him.

Bust of majestic proportions. Trent Richardson level bust, at least TR gave us one decent season and a 1st round pick.

Horrible. Horrible selection.

I read something, that, in all honesty, I cannot find now .... but Hue said something about Haley having 2 and 3 TE positions he has never had an opportunity to use.

I also think that we have 3 TE almost certain to make the team, in Njoku, DeValve, and Fells ....... and 1 of the other TE has reportedly been looking good. Maybe we keep 4 TE, and maybe not the FB, or maybe 1 less WR. (Especially if Duke winds up being a RB/WR slash)

Oh well ... We now can put away the past and look to a bright new future ...

j/c

I find it funny in all that I've read that nobody thinks Haley had any input into this? Does anyone honestly feel that if Haley wanted to keep, or valued Coleman at the WR position, that he would have just been shipped out for a six pack and a ham sandwich? I certainly don't. This team has added a lot of talent. The reason being is to win games. If Haley actually felt that Coleman was an ingredient to helping this team win, he wouldn't be taking a physical in Buffalo. Whether it's a lack of Coleman working hard, a lack of his ability to run routes in his third year in the league or being a head case, the reason isn't as important as the fact that neither Haley nor Hue felt his place on the roster was going to help the Browns. To think Haley didn't have a lot of input in this decision is short sighted.

Since it seems Josh has been brought up in this thread, let's be honest here. Analytics isn't just used in choosing players to draft and sign in free agency. It's used in every aspect of business. It's the use of looking at data from the past to form an informed opinion of what's to happen moving forward. There's a huge difference in what one hopes for and what one realistically expects to happen.

Hope is a best case scenario. Expectations are built on a realistic pattern that has been provided to you. Let's not all pretend that this FO and coaching staff has or is simply ignoring the pattern provided to them over the years. That would mean they put zero value in analytics.

Only the Browns would be running 2 & 3 TE sets in this era of football. Can we fire these morons yet?

When you have guys like Njoku, DeValve, and Fells, who can all also double as big receivers, it makes sense.

We traded Carson Wentz for Corey Coleman and Cam Erving.

What an out and out disaster.

Put Njoku in the slot. I like Devalve, but he's not a competent blocker at this point. Fells can't block either. If we are running 2 & 3 TE sets, that are not primarily out of the shotgun then teams will murder us.

yet some think Sashi was such a great asset to the Browns.
he will never get another NFL front office job ever.
he wont even to be able to sell hot dogs.
sashi is laughing all the way to the bank.
i just remember all the praise he got drafting Coleman.

Sorry man, but I don't root for meathead or any other player on this TEAM. I root for the Cleveland Browns. Team. Now there is a word I don't hear much in these threads. You know, the guys that are out there right now busting ass to get better. But they are the stupid ones. They all should have taken the summer off like the wonderful Josh Gordon. Why bust ass when you can sit home playing video games and then just show up and play like Jerry Rice?

You say he gives us the best one-two punch in football? HOW DO YOU KNOW? He sure didn't look that special last year. He has had ONE good year and that was a LONG time ago. He has missed more games than he has played! So how exactly do you know that he doesn't need any practice? He doesn't need to build chemistry with our new QB's? In our brand new offense? That he can show up game one against the Steelers and play lights out in an offense he hasn't practiced in?
You, sir, are taking a LOT for granted. Like that he will show up at all. Like when he does he will pass a urine test. Like if he does he will play like the best WR in the league never having practiced with the TEAM in camp. How many reps has he missed so far? If he shows up tomorrow how will he get those reps back?

I too hope Josh the PERSON gets his life together. I don't hate him. But as a player on this TEAM I don't TRUST him one tiny little bit. I think it would be a HUGE mistake for the TEAM to put any faith in him whatsoever. I think fans that keep talking about how awesome he is are remembering a player that doesn't exist. Until he shows up and PLAYS like this mythical giant you all keep describing it's all just talk. He sure as hell isn't showing me much right now, except he didn't want to work this summer and he blew off the rest of the team at the very moment they needed him to show and prove. If you went to practice today would you have seen this awesome one-two punch? Until you can answer yes, it doesn't exist man. Peace

Could the trading of Coleman be tied in in any way with Gordon and his leaving the team temporarily? Meaning, If Coleman has been seen as someone whom could lead Gordon astray, would they get Gordon away from him until he was shipped off elsewhere? Just a thought.

I've never heard anything negative about Corey Coleman the person and the Browns would be idiotic to make roster moves based on the assumption of Josh Gordon playing.

Coleman must have been on the entire teams poopy list. We got a 7th round pick for him. Hell, we GAVE him to Buffalo. Something must have happened or soured the team on him. A team that is down so many WR's doesn't just give one away unless there is a reason.

I think this is as much a Hue call as anyone's. I know when we drafted Coleman that I though it weird because he is the exact opposite of what Hue said he loves his WR to be. Hue flat out said he prefers big physical WRs who have great hands and run good routes. Coleman was the complete opposite so I thought it was a dumb pic from the very beginning.

You mean unlike Callaway that we drafted in the 4th? With so many off the field issues, he dropped from a possible 1st round spot?

If they were so worried about a player leading meat astray they wouldn't have drafted Callaway... Besides with meats history, it would be more like him leading someone else down the wrong path...

I'm willing to bet it's mental slowness. The way he talks screams lower intelligence to me. Perhaps he was not able to pick up Haley's new system fast enough and when you consider Haley is big and WRs running accurate routes it's not hard to imagine them getting rid of him.

Here is a crazy conspiracy. Perhaps Coleman was traded for next to nothing had more to do w/Corey Coleman than any one other single person in the organization?

Crazy, huh?

True, but I don't think they get rid of Coleman if they believe that Gordon will not be back at some point. The only negatives I have heard about Coleman are what have been discussed in earlier posts ( sent home early and a fight).

I doubt it's any one thing. I am willing to be it's a whole laundry list of things. I mean he is a fragile, skinny WR who runs poor routes. I was mad the day we drafted him because I knew he didn't fit what Hue wanted. All he did was prove me right.

j/c:


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https://twitter.com/Cole_Kev/status/1026512708873670657