I actually sided w/Haley during the discussion, but the "look" was uncalled for.
I really don't care where you sided with him.
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So, while Memphis will use that exchange as an indictment on Hue...........the truth of the matter might lie elsewhere.
Here we go again. So wait, you can side with Haley on his comments but I can't? Yeah, ok. I haven't even watch the full episode, just like the photo and tweet.... jesus, get a freaking grip.
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Now, I'm done talking to you on this subject Memphis. Onward w/your quest to drum up more support for your Fire Hue campaign.
I suggest you go check out the 2017 Run/Pass thread I created that exhonerates Hue from people suggesting he was wildly off on his ratio of playcalling as a way to discredit him.
I don't like Hue. I've been upfront about that countless times. But the Fire Hue stuff is silly and childish, but by all means please keep brining it up. If Hue turns this team to a playoff performing team in 2018, guess what? I'm still not gonna like him. But I'm not going to want him fired.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
There has been tons of Hue threads. Some against him; some for him.
I am pulling for the guy. I want him to be successful. In general I like his approach.
It appears from this show that Dorsey is in his corner. It is imperative for success that the owner, GM and Head Coach communicate well. They can disagree on some things but they have to support each other.
At least from the outside it appears they are on the same page.
There has been tons of Hue threads. Some against him; some for him.
I am pulling for the guy. I want him to be successful. In general I like his approach.
It appears from this show that Dorsey is in his corner. It is imperative for success that the owner, GM and Head Coach communicate well. They can disagree on some things but they have to support each other.
At least from the outside it appears they are on the same page.
Agreed. I like Hue. The players seem to like Hue. He seems like a good guy to work for.
I always like the guy I report to that doesn't hold me accountable.
Hue needs results, now.
This is true. I work for two buddies at this point. The Captain on my boat and the Chief Mate. Both are younger than me (i'm 32, Captain might be 29 and Chief Mate probably 26).
But it works. And since it works, it's great. We have a blast together. And as long as everyone's doing their job, we can all continue to be good buddies (which is good because they're both quality professionals, if anything i'd be the slacker).
Doesn't always work though.
He does seem like a genuinely nice guy. I think i like him even more than i liked Romeo.
But, more important than anything is results. That's what we need
The camera they used filming Hue's grief was not done by a camera crew in the later portion. It was done by a fixed, mounted camera. Hard Knocks has full access to any and all things during training camp. Many of us have had to deal with grief and know the depth of it. While it did show the human side of Hue, I thought televising this was classless on the part of Hard Knocks.
I felt more comfortable as a viewer when I noticed that it was a fixed camera - makes a difference. I could be wrong, but I would bet that there was 100's of hours of footage from that office and anything put on Hard Knocks is okay'd by the staff.
Probably wasn't even a hard sell for Hue. I'm sure he's proud of how he handled his grief and still focused on the job at hand... I was, and so was the crew at Hard Knocks - that was obvious when the very next clip was a fiery Hue Jackson at practice and the text on the screen "One Hour Later".
I don't think means anything because coaches having disagreements all the time, but Todd Haley wanted to kill Hue Jackson.
Question: Was the video of Hue saying that and Todd's reaction contiguous, or was there a cut in the video with voiceover?
If it wasn't contiguous, there is a better than even chance that you're being fed creative editing (it makes for better TV) and the two events - the words spoken and the look on Haley's face - may not have even happened in the same meeting.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
They were the same meeting and they happened one after another. It was a back and forth conversation between Jackson and Haley.
I'll take your word at face value, but I also know how editing can be used to make someone THINK that it all happened at the same time. Unless it is uncut, uninterrupted pans (versus quick cuts back and forth between people) you cannot be certain.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
They were the same meeting and they happened one after another. It was a back and forth conversation between Jackson and Haley.
I'll take your word at face value, but I also know how editing can be used to make someone THINK that it all happened at the same time. Unless it is uncut, uninterrupted pans (versus quick cuts back and forth between people) you cannot be certain.
That look just personifies his demeanor during the entire conversation. I would bet it wasn't cut but in the end it doesn't really matter.
That said, it really has little to do with any "rift" between the coaches and much more to do with Haley's (and other coaches) frustration with not having the proper personnel available while their trying to craft an offense.
I'm not sure how [actually I am] but this thread is now about Hue.
Mission accomplished, Memphis.
On NFL Network this morning, there was a discussion about how impressive Hue was on the first edition of Hard Knocks and they recalled Joe Thomas' comments about what a good job Hue did of keeping the team together last year
Of course, our own fan base concentrates on trying to rip the guy over something stupid.
just watched it earlier (and kind of again right now).
- I felt for Hue, very emotional and tough time - Nassib ... kinda weird to have such a lengthy segment, but he's kinda a character - I do like Landry's passion ... I hope he keeps it up if/when we're 0-5 and he's not getting the ball 8 times a game - To me, the RV thing isn't that big of a deal ... I think every team/group has their own little get-away things - My favorite part of the show: the coaches' meetings (it always has been for me) ... I could tell Haley (and others) were disagreeing with Hue ... but Hue's got a chance for a few weeks/months. If he's wrong, he's gone. - I get annoyed that Mary Kay Cabot gets so much acclaim as our "National Voice" (or whatever). Just a random irritation of mine; I think there are way better reporters for CLE. - It's funny how some "important players" were never mentioned (maybe they will be): Bitonio (he's a HUGE part), Ogbah, Schobert, Peppers, etc. - Hated when Ward and Randall weren't paying attention
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
- Oh another thing: how contrived were those chanting fans? So obvious they were told exactly what to do and how to act
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I could tell Haley (and others) were disagreeing with Hue ... but Hue's got a chance for a few weeks/months. If he's wrong, he's gone.
You definitely want Hue fired. I can tell.
I actually hope he's not fired haha ... that would mean we're doing well.
That'd be my preference.
Now, if we are like 0-5 and wallowing .... then yes, I'd agree.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I could tell Haley (and others) were disagreeing with Hue ... but Hue's got a chance for a few weeks/months. If he's wrong, he's gone.
You definitely want Hue fired. I can tell.
I actually hope he's not fired haha ... that would mean we're doing well.
That'd be my preference.
Now, if we are like 0-5 and wallowing .... then yes, I'd agree.
I was being facetious.
yeah I know ... just setting my own record straight
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Of course he is a major part of the story. However, I feel I have a right to defend Hue when certain posters ridicule everything he does in a crusade to get him fired.
People defend guys like Gordon all the time and his crimes are far worse. And they get a lot meaner while defending him than I do while defending Hue.
I am not even a huge Hue fan. I'm just sick of Memphis and some others trying to smear his name at almost every turn. Look at the jumping in the lake thing. Hue rose money for charity by jumping in the lake. He also has a heart condition. But, Memphis ripped him a new one for not jumping in the ice cold lake in January. GMAFB.
Jarvis Landry tearing into his WR group was awesome, and probably needed.
Between that and the Haley/Jackson disagreement about practicing, there is definitely some division within the team about how to get through this. I bet that division is probably with most teams. It's a slippery slope. You can pick either way and get blamed for not picking the other when it doesn't work out.
Baker Mayfield came off as really likable. I really hope this works out for him in Cleveland. He's a great story. He's got a chip on his shoulder. I think the moment with him and Jackson on the field talking about how Tyrod Taylor is coming in well before the sun comes up was a pretty important moment. I think to have a chance, you have to be that guy. Tyrod Taylor's story is pretty incredible as well. A lot of guys, especially ones that don't play in pro systems in college, never figure it out. Tyrod Taylor figured it out. Say what you want about him, or his game, but I guarantee you, aside from any career-ending injury, he will be in the league for a very long time. I hope it rubs off on Mayfield.
Between that and the Haley/Jackson disagreement about practicing, there is definitely some division within the team about how to get through this. I bet that division is probably with most teams. It's a slippery slope. You can pick either way and get blamed for not picking the other when it doesn't work out.
You want Hue fired too. I can tell.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Another thing I didn't like was Hyde's softness with his blocking .. mostly because I saw the same thing at camp yesterday. Coach even got into him about it
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Between that and the Haley/Jackson disagreement about practicing, there is definitely some division within the team about how to get through this. I bet that division is probably with most teams. It's a slippery slope. You can pick either way and get blamed for not picking the other when it doesn't work out.
Between that and the Haley/Jackson disagreement about practicing, there is definitely some division within the team about how to get through this. I bet that division is probably with most teams. It's a slippery slope. You can pick either way and get blamed for not picking the other when it doesn't work out.
You want Hue fired too. I can tell.
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It was part of a string of satirical posts. Sorry to catch you up in it. I was making a point for someone else.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
I was busy all day today .. will do it at some point tonight!
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Between that and the Haley/Jackson disagreement about practicing, there is definitely some division within the team about how to get through this. I bet that division is probably with most teams. It's a slippery slope. You can pick either way and get blamed for not picking the other when it doesn't work out.
You want Hue fired too. I can tell.
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It was part of a string of satirical posts. Sorry to catch you up in it. I was making a point for someone else.
lol got it
For the record, I am pulling for Hue. I want it to work out. I truly believe he has a great offensive mind. I think he can work with quarterbacks.
I also don't want to go through another coaching change, which means a likely regime change, philosophy change, scheme change, roster change, etc..
I am badly pulling for Hue. The Browns need this to absolutely work out. Like I get that all NFL needs need it badly to work out with their respective coaches, but the Browns realllllllllllly need it to work out.
I think he can too, but man things have gotta start changing soon. Wins and losses matter, but as I say every year, I want a general feeling come December that this thing is clearly moving in the right direction. We really haven't seen that since Mangini rattled off a bunch of wins at the end of his first year, which also shows you that it may not matter.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I feel much better knowing that our team "stayed together" while going 0-16. Because that's important.
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Good point. If you have a team that doesn't believe in each other or their coaching staff, they will never have a chance to improve.
Our team was bad, but Dorsey added some key vets and our coaching staff hasn't lost the younger players, thus, our team has a chance to improve.
It's going to be tough, but it sure beats the alternative of a coach losing his team.
Sorry Vers, that was sarcasm. I didn't think I needed to purple it up for you.
For the record, IMO, keeping a team "together" is cold comfort in a season that was the absolute nadir of this franchise's entire existence. I would almost rather they were all at each other's throats, because at least we'd know they cared. Instead we saw guys on the field trading jerseys and yukking it up with opponents after games where they just had their asses handed to them.
i liked what shannon said: it's good to see a player get paid and still want to bring it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
They were the same meeting and they happened one after another. It was a back and forth conversation between Jackson and Haley.
I'll take your word at face value, but I also know how editing can be used to make someone THINK that it all happened at the same time. Unless it is uncut, uninterrupted pans (versus quick cuts back and forth between people) you cannot be certain.
I think we need to be at least a little bit careful taking small clips from Hard Knocks and making big, sweeping judgments based off of them. It’s 400 hours of footage condensed into 60 minutes. We aren’t seeing even close to everything.
I haven't even watch the full episode, just like the photo and tweet.... jesus, get a freaking grip. 
