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Yeah, I think I would have kept him, too. I wasn't as high on Coleman as you were, but a 7th round pick is nothing.

Btw-------to clear up an earlier misconception, I would imagine that it was Lynch who engineered the trade rather than Shanny.

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j/c

The Cleveland Browns are now a Coleman-less team. We went from 2 to 0 in less than 3 weeks.


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Thank you, Sashi.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Thank you, Sashi.


You say that after saying you think they should have KEPT S Coleman.

rofl rofl rofl

Agenda much?

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Why do you constantly try and start fights w/me?

We got a 7th round pick for both guys.

We spent a first round pick on Corey and a 3rd on Shon.

I would have kept Shon, but both picks sucked ass.

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So we traded up in an ironic sort of giveaway way? So does this mean we go shopping?

This 7th round stuff is just way underpriced in some folks' eyes. Is it a bargain? A ripoff? Guess that depends on which end of the stick you are holding. But the drama factor is getting dialed back. Did Hue make this call?


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I don't "start" squat...Stick to football and I won't push back on your bully-tactics.

I agree that both picks didn't pan out - to their drafted slots anyway.

Neither guy was a "reach" at their slot...neither guy worked out. It happens.

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Who was I bullying?

Look man.............I despise you. You despise me. I would have absolutely no problem if we ever speak again. People don't like seeing it.

Take your BS somewhere else?

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Do you not recall how often you call out other posters who have a different opinion than you? And in some weird passive-aggressive way? Seriously? Then you get all hurt when someone barks back.

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Once again.............who was I bullying?

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Read the post right above your last.

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What? I said: "Thank you, Sashi," and you called me a bully.

Dude, go away.

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Here is my response to your request:

"Do you not recall how often you call out other posters who have a different opinion than you? And in some weird passive-aggressive way? Seriously? Then you get all hurt when someone barks back."

You telling another poster to "go away" only backs up the above.

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LOL

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Coleman was a draft pick that didn’t work out. Happens all the time in the NFL. Just another day at the office.

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its just crazy that he was our starting LT heading into camp and then basically cut a month later ... the dude must have really sucked


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Originally Posted By: Hamfist
Coleman was a draft pick that didn’t work out. Happens all the time in the NFL. Just another day at the office.
He's being replaced by an UDFA, so it all evens out. smile


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So, Dorsey's UDFA is better than Sashi's 3rd rounder.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
its just crazy that he was our starting LT heading into camp and then basically cut a month later ... the dude must have really sucked


Dorsey tried to sign Solder at LT and brought in guys to compete. I think Dorsey and the coaching staff knew that Coleman was unlikely to make the grade.

It sucks that he didn't pan out...but I don't think anyone in the ORG was caught off-guard by that eventuality.

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Pot-stirrer!

As it is with Coleman, it is with Sashi. Just another day at the office.

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We hired a new GM, moves like this should be expected.

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Browns toying with another O-line shift with opener nearing
The Associated Press TOM WITHERS (AP Sports Writer),The Associated Press

CLEVELAND (AP) -- With barely a week left until the season opens, Browns coach Hue Jackson is still tinkering with his offensive line.

Another shift could be coming.

During a conference call on Friday, Jackson raised the possibility that Joel Bitonio could be on the move again. The team slid him from left guard to tackle during training camp to fill the cavern created when perennial Pro Bowler Joe Thomas retired following last season.

Jackson said Cleveland's line remains under construction just nine days before the Pittsburgh Steelers come to town.

''Everything is a little bit fluid over there, especially on the left side as we continue to move forward,'' he said. ''I am going to say this again, I am going to continue to put the best five guys out there.''

When camp opened, the Browns had Shon Coleman, who started 16 games at right tackle, lined up at left tackle. After line coach Bob Wylie said shifting Bitonio to left tackle was ''Plan Z,'' Jackson did it anyway and put rookie Austin Corbett at left guard.

That's how the Browns played their first three exhibition games, and by all accounts Bitonio held his own at a position he hadn't played since college. The reviews on Corbett, the No. 33 overall draft pick this year, were a little more mixed, and it's possible the Browns aren't satisfied with his progress.

''I think that he has done some good things,'' Jackson said when asked specifically about Corbett. ''I have always said from Day 1 that we are going to play the best five guys. How that unfolds as we go through preseason and as we go through everything, we will make a decision about what we think is best.''

The Browns did make a line move on Friday, trading Coleman to the San Francisco 49ers for a seventh-round draft pick next season. Coleman was drafted in the third round by the Browns in 2016.

Undrafted rookie Desmond Harrison started at left tackle in Thursday's exhibition finale at Detroit and Jackson said the 6-foot-6, 295-pounder could be in the mix. Harrison transferred from Texas and finished his college career at West Georgia.

''All of those avenues are open,'' Jackson said. ''I know we have seen Joel at left tackle and he has played it, and Corbett at left guard and Harrison at left tackle. When it is all said and done, my job is that we put the best five guys out there, and that is what we are going to do.''

Another option is former Arizona and Chicago lineman Earl Watford, who signed with the Browns earlier this week. Watford has appeared in 43 NFL games, making 21 starts with the Cardinals. He played both right and left guard last season.

Although things are unsettled up front, Jackson insists he's not worried.

''I feel good about where we are, where we are headed, and the players who we have playing there,'' he said. ''I just want to make sure that we are not turning in the lineup cards today or to say who is starting or anything like that. I just want to make sure that it is a decision, when it is all said and done, that I am good with it all and that I am not going to change two days from now or three days from now.''

NOTES: Cleveland began trimming its roster ahead of Saturday's deadline. The most notable cut was WR Jeff Janis, signed as a free agent in March after four years with Green Bay. Janis was passed by several of Cleveland's young receivers. Also released was fourth-string QB Brogan Roback, who got some quality time on this season's ''Hard Knocks'' series. ... Jackson said WR Josh Gordon will return to practice Monday. The former Pro Bowler missed the first three weeks of camp while receiving treatment in Florida connected to his drug and alcohol addictions. He's been slowed by a hamstring injury since being cleared by the NFL to resume all activities.



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Originally Posted By: eotab
because he's thinking about starting rookie LT Desmond Harrison: "I think all of those avenues are open."

he must of been on the toilet when he thunk that cause it was a total BRAIN FART.

Besides I think that might be an old thought dug up by a writer. Harrison in no way is ready???


I might be totally wrong with the above thought process...Oh crap it was me with the "brain fart"

rofl

So far Hue has been pretty good with his evaluations. This year as HC I think we finally get to see Hue as a real HC. Not a guy wearing several hats. He has time to step back and make evaluations on Offense as well as Defense.

Man if this is a real deal. What a blessing. A functional LT from no where. The kid has amazing specs. If he can handle the technique...he actually could be a legit starter. And he's a rookie which means he will only get better. Man, can we actually be so lucky.

Shame Corbett won't start hey, can't get them all right and perfect. He is no Bum nor dead wood. But OL at 33 I would expect a starter.

Man see I've been away from being negative so long that I'm not that good at that...lol laugh So happy. That I just might be wrong. Hope I'm wrong on Corbett as I did not like that pick from day one. What's up with Zeitler? Is he ready. If Harrison is the starter...I think Drango might take the hit as Corbett will end up being the 6th man with the new guy Earl Watford filling in at RG.



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Desmond Harrison was a great pick up. I was a big fan of him this draft. Thought he was worth a 4th rounder. Physically, he's all there to play the position. Hopefully JT gets his butt down to Cleveland and helps him out. I think he could start at either LT or RT if he is dedicated to his technique.

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Quote:
Although things are unsettled up front, Jackson insists he's not worried.

''I feel good about where we are, where we are headed, and the players who we have playing there,'' he said. ''I just want to make sure that we are not turning in the lineup cards today or to say who is starting or anything like that. I just want to make sure that it is a decision, when it is all said and done, that I am good with it all and that I am not going to change two days from now or three days from now.''


When your football team is still trying to find their starting LT "after" the last pre-season game, the HC better be concerned.

Not a good sign for the offensive side...imo




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I have a hard time thinking Coleman wasn't better than some of hte other options and shouldnve gotten more than a 7th...

We're clearly content with taking whatever though because for a 7th, it's obvious they planned on cutting him anyway.

Plus like Mac said, last preseason game gone and we still seeminly trying to put together an offensive line. Not good.

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It'll be interesting to see who makes the team on the OL:

The locks appear to be ...
Bitonio
Corbett
Tretter
Zeittler
Hubbard
Harrison

Probable would be ....
Drango

Possibles would seem to be ....

Reiter
Watford
DiLaurio (who the team seems to really like)
Robinson (though if Drango and Harrison make it, it seems unlikely that Robinson would)

I see us going with 8 or 9 OL .... probably 9. I thought that Reiter might make it based on his athletic ability, and because he's a Center, but a lot of people seem to think that Corbett could move there in the future. The next 4 1/2 hours will be interesting.


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I think this OL is going to surprise a lot of you. Granted, we have two qbs who hold the ball too long, but I am way more optimistic about this OL than I was during the off-season. I think it's really starting to come together.

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Well, if the competition was close between Shon and G Robinson as the possible 4th Tackle, a free draft pick would tilt the scales.

Or maybe it was because his cap number was 80,000 higher than Robinson. smile

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From where I sit, Watford has a higher probability of making the team than Drango. I think Watford was brought in as much to address Drango's deficiencies as he was to back up Corbett.

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Shon Coleman will go on to be a very good guard or a starting RT for another team.

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Originally Posted By: DeputyDawg
Shon Coleman will go on to be a very good guard or a starting RT for another team.


This is probably the most incorrect statement I've ever seen as a prediction on this board.

He sucked last year, sucks this year and will suck from now on.


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I went back and took a look at the first half and keyed on Desmond. Early on he did get beat on a simple speed rush...its the pass in the red zone where Mayfield got hit as he threw up the middle around 15 yards to that guy Willies that hit his hand but incomplete...Lions announcers said he should have caught that. I think it was also noted by somebody as Mayfields only pass off target. Well he was hit by Harrison's rusher.

For the most part it was hard to tell cause the Lions defender seemed to alway go upfield so on almost all the runs Harrison had an easy block. He did crash down well to control the edge on runs. It seemed when he concentrated he was able to get into the chest of the pass rusher and control him. Just not sure how he will do on actual NFL starters and not just starters cause we know almost all teams best pass rusher will be there. But if they deemed Corbett not ready for prime time and Bitonio will stud out there at LG...I guess so.

Harrison did well when ever he had a chip blocker either RB or TE he moved quickly into place and the chip blocker only needed one hit. Curious now what we will decide on come game day. I am also keeping in mind the kid is a rookie and he looks Country Strong (strong without weights, naturally strong) he definitely has long arms and when he keeps his knee bend he looks pretty awesome. I think if the kids works hard and next year get into an off season program stronger and faster.
He could become the real deal.

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Thanks Eo, I know I lack the technical eye to give a deep eval, to my untrained eye, he looked pretty good.


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I appreciate your evaluation. Something you said did make me realize that he hasn't seen much inside rush. Most of the pass protection he's been presented with has been outside. That will be a question that needs answering.

In general, I just want to state that some concern has been expressed about tinkering with the OL in the week heading into the season opener. It is a concern but not an alarming concern. It likely means moving Bitonio back to his LG spot, Tritter and Zeitler playing in they're regular positions and Hubbard who has played reasonably well at RT. This maintains a lot of continuity on the interior of the OL. It should make the run game more effective and possibly give Taylor more field vision on pass plays.

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j/c

I'm anxious to read about Harrison v Garrett in practice.

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I'm anxious to read about Harrison v Garrett in practice.
harrison might not be though smile


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I know you're joking, D4, but Harrison should embrace that challenge. It will only make him better.


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Ok, if Harrison proves good enough to allow Joel B to move back to LG, does that mean the Corbett pick was a wasted one?

If the above realignment happens, where does Corbett go? A high second seems to be a pick one wouldn’t use on a backup OL.

Just musing aloud.

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