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The bills plan was to essentially double jarvis and force tyrod to throw to less reliable targets. With gordon back week 1, good luck with that.
We already have seen that just the PRESENCE of gordon on the field changes everything. Now, Jarvis likely face single coverage against the defense 2nd best corner. Gordon is the most talented, but jarvis is our best all around wR, and him going against weaker coverage is gonna pay out huge on the field.
and lets be clear, with gordon returning, TT has never played with this level of talent in buffalo. the argument can be made that he will look BETTER here than when he led the bills to the freaking playoffs, regardless if he stays here only for a year. So now he has Gordon, Landry, Njoku, and Duke as straight up nasty weapons in the pass game.
So we will see. it looks doubtful we will see him in week 3 of preseason, but hopefully he can quickly get on the field after that. he has a lot of catching up to do...
but man, a high/drunk gordon put up 1600 yards. i cant wait to see what a sober one does, especially with a real QB for a change.
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good points Swish ... the Xs and Os change dramatically with JG on the field
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Show us ONE play Landry was doubled.
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NFL clearly has a hand in Josh Gordon’s timetable for return Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2018, 1:41 PM EDT https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ble-for-return/Throughout the unexpected absence of receiver Josh Gordon from Browns training camp, a persistent, nagging sense has lingering that the move was not entirely voluntary, and that the league had some sort of role in the departure and/or the return. Through it all, however, reporters have parroted without much scrutiny the notion that this process is controlled solely by a “proactive” Gordon, who simply decided on the eve of training camp that he needed to address issues related to his overall health. But the sense still lingers that the league has had a hand in this situation, despite the apparent effort to create the impression that the league has nothing to do with it. Consider this tweet from Tom Pelissero of NFL Media regarding the terms of Gordon’s return to the Browns: “Since . . . WR Josh Gordon is still in jointly negotiated substance abuse program, he’s subject to certain conditions. Per [league spokesman Brian McCarthy]: ‘This part of the process. Can attend meetings, do conditioning. Can go to practice but not participate. No timetable on next step.'” However this one is characterized, it’s clear that Gordon’s return and the terms of his return are controlled by the league. It’s also clear that Gordon’s ability to practice and to play will be subject to league approval. Which necessarily means that something likely happened within the confines of Gordon’s treatment plan to trigger the absence in the first place. Otherwise, he would be instantly reinstated with no restrictions of any kind. So why is the league tiptoeing around this one? As suggested in the early days of Gordon’s unplanned sabbatical, the Enforcer may be (wisely) realizing that overly aggressive application of the substance-abuse policy helps no one. So with Gordon in Stage 3 of the program and with any false move resulting by rule in a minimum banishment of at least another full year, the league apparently opted not to run Gordon out of the sport but to work with him. Wouldn't shock me one bit. Gordon has not been at all reliable as a member of the Browns. I also worry that, if he can't handle a child support case without cracking, and relapsing, then how will he handle it when his child support is finally deducted from his paychecks, and he also has to deal with the pressures of the season? I think that counting on this guy is a bad, bad idea, and also that it's impossible to not count on him if he's here. This is a bad situation, and it's bound to come back and bite us yet again.
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Per a league source, Gordon’s return to the active roster won’t be automatic. He’ll have to make a written request for reinstatement to the Browns, and the Commissioner will have to approve it.
Since it seems many seem to have missed this since it was posted. As of now Gordon isn't even considered to be in the NFL. From my understanding, he can't even be in practice until this is settled.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3GBCwBGS1oaround the 16:20 mark, landry is lined up in the slot on the left side. when the play is snapped, you can see 23 come across to roll coverage on landry before he sees TT scramble, as well as the other safety following landry down his route. also, if i remember correctly, which is where i got my comment from, the commentators were talking about it too.
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Haslam actually paid them back. Now let's see Josh lives up to his mistakes and improve moving forward. That would be great. Alright. You gave Haslam 6 8 years to correct his mistake, what's your time table with Josh? It wasn't 6-8 years. Once he found out, the payments started and the amounts were verified, the payments started right away.
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GratefulDawg - good catch on that Florio article. Now it makes more sense. Gordon blazed up, or shot up, or snorted up again and got busted in a drug test. The NFL ran him through rehab quickly and looks to get him back out of the field soonish. All this is in keeping with new drug policies that the NFL neglected to announce or make clear to anybody. Best of all, the NFL can still capriciously and arbitrarily suspend players for a year or for life. I bet Roger Goodell loves that part. And Josh Gordon is still a failed drug addict. Great, just great.  Weed is mostly legal in Ohio now, isn't it? Why not just let Josh blaze up on the sidelines after pre-game warmups and be done with this entire farce? He did not fail another test as much as you wish he did. You are making things up.Why do you even follow this team? He doesn't follow the team other than to troll.
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Welcome back, Josh.
Now, get to work!
Conditioning shouldn't be a problem, and he sure as Hell should be familiar with the offense as he was here for minicamps/OTAs when they installed things and had best have been studying things while away.
The NFL reinstatement thing is overblown to say the least. Much ado about nothing; it's a formality.
If he wasn't using Skype or something to study with Landry or TT during the last few weeks, I'll be disappointed... the technology is simple and accessible to anyone, he should have been in the loop during off-hours.
Time to do work.
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I've made this as plain as can be made. MANY of the states that teams are located in still have laws against weed. Contracts are based on the federal law, not state to state. There is a collective bargaining agreement which the players and owners agree on. That's why. I agree. State laws mean nothing in this matter. The Feds could shut down pro weed laws tomorrow if they decided to do so. I am not sure why they haven't to be honest. Not enforcing written laws and not backing them is a bad road to travel. I don't really have any problem with pot. I might even smoke it again if it was legal, but it's not, so I don't, and haven't for over 40 years.
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He doesn't follow the team other than to troll.
I like to think that I am less a troll and more like this guy...  There is a difference between the two, though some might not perceive it.
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Welcome back, Josh.
Now, get to work!
Conditioning shouldn't be a problem, and he sure as Hell should be familiar with the offense as he was here for minicamps/OTAs when they installed things and had best have been studying things while away.
The NFL reinstatement thing is overblown to say the least. Much ado about nothing; it's a formality.
If he wasn't using Skype or something to study with Landry or TT during the last few weeks, I'll be disappointed... the technology is simple and accessible to anyone, he should have been in the loop during off-hours.
Time to do work. I don't know the CBA but it seems fairly likely that without reinstatement it is a violation of the agreement between the league and players to engage in the "study" you are suggesting with players on the active roster or, with coaches. The team was or, has been close to their 90 player roster limit for most of camp. There are reasons for defining a roster and identifying who is and who is not on said roster. Engaging in team related activities with player not on the roster seems likely to be defined as cheating.
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Haslam actually paid them back. Now let's see Josh lives up to his mistakes and improve moving forward. That would be great. Alright. You gave Haslam 6 8 years to correct his mistake, what's your time table with Josh? It wasn't 6-8 years. Once he found out, the payments started and the amounts were verified, the payments started right away. He found out 6 months after his office got raided by the FBI? No wonder this team sucks, the owner is oblivious to the day to day functions of a company he runs.
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So we dont really know why he left and we dont really know if he is back.
Glad we got things all cleared up.
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Learning the playbook should literally be last thing to worry about.
Worse case scenario: Just tell him to run a slant, crossing route, or go route.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Learning the playbook should literally be last thing to worry about.
Worse case scenario: Just tell him to run a slant, crossing route, or go route. Or better yet, sit his but down at the end of the bench and keep him there until he knows the offense and can contribute. There are guys on this team that busted hump this Summer learning the playbook, developing chemistry with our quarterbacks and being good teammates. Seems awfully convenient that meathead shows up when camp is ready to break so he didn't have to work during the dog days of camp. I wouldn't be sitting down players that have been here all Summer just because meat decided to show up. He didn't look all that great last year. Until I see with my own eyes this great and awesome player that doesn't need to practice to be great... he doesn't exist. He blew off a very important camp for this team. I don't believe he should be allowed to just walk in and take a starting spot. By the way, just because you aren't on the meathead bandwagon doesn't mean you aren't a good Browns fan. I've been a fan of this team for 51 years and I'll be a fan long after meathead is gone and forgotten.
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Haslam actually paid them back. Now let's see Josh lives up to his mistakes and improve moving forward. That would be great. Alright. You gave Haslam 6 8 years to correct his mistake, what's your time table with Josh? Psst ... not sticking up for Josh even a little bit ... Ummmm ... the thief went out and ROBBED PEOPLE .... big difference between STEALING from some one and not meeting an obligation ... obviously a huge obligation ... my point is there two entirely different crimes ... Not sticking up for Josh by any stretch .... but the thief is on an entirely different level of SCUM ... he is not a good guy by any definition ...
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I respect that opinion, and think it has some validity. Obviously he's going to play because he can help us "try" to win.
I'm a fan too, so I'll be here after he's gone as well.
It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds; hopefully our offense can click.
Just a question for you (or anyone who's adamantly against JG coming back): if he catches a TD or has an impact play, will you be happy or upset?
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If Josh Gordon can get on the field, he should be a force. Landry is going to catch a ton of balls over the middle of the field (even more so than usual because of the new tackling rules) and Njoku is going to attract of coverage over the middle/deep part of the field. Njoku being a threat should force the safeties to come down and cover him more. That should leave Josh Gordon with one on one coverage on the outside a lot of the time. If that's the case he is going to make a ton of big plays. Even last year, when hadn't played football for a long time and hadn't practiced with the team in the off-season, he was very hard to cover.
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Learning the playbook should literally be last thing to worry about.
Worse case scenario: Just tell him to run a slant, crossing route, or go route. Or better yet, sit his but down at the end of the bench and keep him there until he knows the offense and can contribute. There are guys on this team that busted hump this Summer learning the playbook, developing chemistry with our quarterbacks and being good teammates. Seems awfully convenient that meathead shows up when camp is ready to break so he didn't have to work during the dog days of camp. I wouldn't be sitting down players that have been here all Summer just because meat decided to show up. He didn't look all that great last year. Until I see with my own eyes this great and awesome player that doesn't need to practice to be great... he doesn't exist. He blew off a very important camp for this team. I don't believe he should be allowed to just walk in and take a starting spot. By the way, just because you aren't on the meathead bandwagon doesn't mean you aren't a good Browns fan. I've been a fan of this team for 51 years and I'll be a fan long after meathead is gone and forgotten. I was reading a quote from Hue, and he definitely said that Josh can not come in now and think he is the x receiver. He pretty much said he is going to have to earn his spot. Which I agree with totally. Higgins has busted his butt to improve his craft, and is looking like a pro receiver. If Josh beats him out by working for it I won't be mad, but Higgins has earned the right to be a starter. That being said, I don't think it will take long for Gordon to take his spot. If you think about it, moving Landry into the slot and keeping Higgins and Gordon on the outside could cause some serious coverage problems. Throw Njoku in the mix, and it could be a blast to watch. Oh, and don't forget Duke slipping out of the backfield. Wow
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That being said, I don't think it will take long for Gordon to take his spot. If you think about it, moving Landry into the slot and keeping Higgins and Gordon on the outside could cause some serious coverage problems. Throw Njoku in the mix, and it could be a blast to watch. Oh, and don't forget Duke slipping out of the backfield. Wow I've been working my arse off trying to keep a level head about this upcoming year. However, I have to admit- this is the prettiest team (on paper) that we've had since The Return. Deep breaths in & out.
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Personally, though we will never know, I think the whole Gordon thing was a way to avoid the spotlight of HardKnocks. Third episode is already taped, fourth one in the works and now Gordon appears through the mist. Cory Coleman happily provided them some drama. JMHO
Glad he is back, hope he can play as it will help the team.
Landry, Duke, Calloway, Higgins, Njoku, and Gordon ... Haley, and the QB's should have some options.
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I think the Browns may have the making of a competitive team with Gordon.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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As far as Haslam goes.. Name ANYONE with a billion dollars that doesn't look like a thief at some point.. Go look the people that built this country, they killed thousands of workers in steel mills and car factories. Mines, railroads,tunnels. They did it with one goal in mind. MONEY... Look up how many lawsuits Bill Gates has personally paid off. and I don't mean cause your Windows System crashed. U cheat, u get caught and u pay. He paid like most the other Billionaires pay. Not a lot of saints in the business world. "Behind every great fortune lies a great crime." - Honore de Balzac P.S. Welcome back JG.
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He doesn't follow the team other than to troll.
I like to think that I am less a troll and more like this guy... There is a difference between the two, though some might not perceive it. Either way. Trolling isn't simply reserved for fans of other teams. All's good.
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I had my doubts but I’m glad he seems to be growing up and recognizing his weaknesses and inner demons and fighting them off. Welcome back Josh.
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Perhaps it's the NFL who didn't want Gordon on hard knocks and not the other way around?
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Perhaps it's the NFL who didn't want Gordon on hard knocks and not the other way around?  Bet the NFL & HBO is counting on the wind fall & ratings when flash makes a big splash in the last 3 episodes of Hard Knocks.
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So was Josh Gordon kinda suspended or not? If the NFL won't say, we still might be able to figure it out.
Josh Gordon is not fully back as an NFL player. For now, the NFL is restricting him to attending meetings and strength and conditioning workouts. In due time, he will be permitted to practice. Maybe concurrently with freedom to practice or maybe some time after, he will finally be permitted to play in actual games.
With all these restrictions, the question has arisen, was Josh Gordon suspended for something? If so, for what? If not, then why all these restrictions which bear a striking similarity to the restrictions placed upon him the last time he came off of suspension?
Here is a possible way to figure out an answer to these questions, since it seems unlikely that the NFL will ever embrace openness and transparency in these matters.
If Josh does, say, meetings and workouts this week, is allowed to practice next week, and plays in the final pre-season game and then starts the season - he wasn't suspended and the NFL was just doing a careful, graduated, ease-him-into-it return to football. The schedule I detailed was just an example - the timetable could vary quite a bit. They key is, Josh plays in the first regular season game against the Steelers.
But, if the graduated return stretches out longer than that, if Josh Gordon is restricted from playing in the first regular season game or two (or more?) - then Josh was suspended. The NFL can't prohibit a player from earning regular season paychecks without suspending him for some valid reason.
Admittedly there are some holes here and there in these scenarios. Neither one could be considered as definitive proof as to whether or not Josh was suspended. But they could provide strong circumstantial evidence.
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
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i can't answer a lot of those questions ... it's one of the stranger situations I can remember
All I know is it would not be like this if he stunk or was average
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i can't answer a lot of those questions ... it's one of the stranger situations I can remember
All I know is it would not be like this if he stunk or was average Very true. Josh's talent gets him 12th, 13th, and 14th chances where the average NFL player would get a 2nd chance, maybe a 3rd if he's lucky. Callaway will get more than the average number of chances too.
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