It's very, very important to Memphis and Vambo that Hue is painted in a negative light. It's not enough that they don't like him. They want everyone else to dislike him, too.
So, here is something to think about that deals in reality and not Middle School-itis.
The plan that Hue has for resting players in practice is in cooperation w/the Brown's medical staff. This is part of analytics that some supposedly loved when Sashi was here. Resting players in practice is not something Hue just invented to be more of a "player's coach." It's analytics. It's working collaboratively w/the medical staff.
Similarly, I am sure the decision to allow Taylor to return to the game last night was because he was cleared medically by the doctors and not Hue just pulling something out of his butt.
It's amazing to me that people can be so small-minded and hateful that they just make stuff up in order to trash a member of the Browns.
Not trying to manufacture a controversy....there isn't one. Still, it was dumb putting Tyrod back in the game. And if some of that falls on the medical staff, so be it.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
In 2016, RG3 stayed in the game with a broken bone in his shoulder. In the next game, Josh McCown broke his collarbone, but finished the game.
I seem to recall him returning after his helicopter ride in game 1 of 2015, only to be injured again ..... but to finish the game in which he was injured.
I am sure that going back in our history, or the history of other teams, would show similar instances of a player going back into a game after being hurt. Heck, Ronnie Lott had doctors cut off his finger rather than miss time.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Not trying to manufacture a controversy....there isn't one. Still, it was dumb putting Tyrod back in the game. And if some of that falls on the medical staff, so be it.
Why risk injuring your starting QB any more in a PRESEASON game?
You guys hijacked it because you are focusing on something that wasn't even a big deal in an attempt to bash Hue. The conversation is no longer about the big picture and moving forward. It's about your agenda to get others to bash Hue.
Not trying to argue, but how is a dislocated pinkie on his non-throwing hand a big risk, anymore than putting a QB on the field at any other time in pre-season?
You guys hijacked it because you are focusing on something that wasn't even a big deal in an attempt to bash Hue. The conversation is no longer about the big picture and moving forward. It's about your agenda to get others to bash Hue.
1-31 isn't a big deal for you. There's nothing wrong by questioning Hue's decision making, you don't need to reply if you don't think it's worth discussing.
Not trying to argue, but how is a dislocated pinkie on his non-throwing hand a big risk, anymore than putting a QB on the field at any other time in pre-season?
Not trying to manufacture a controversy....there isn't one. Still, it was dumb putting Tyrod back in the game. And if some of that falls on the medical staff, so be it.
Why risk injuring your starting QB any more in a PRESEASON game?
Cam Newton got hit TONIGHT and flipped upside down and landed awkwardly.. He played the next possession.
It usually takes a good amount of provocation for me to attack another poster. I disagree with you for the reasons that I stated but the phrase "manufactured controversy" was not directed at you. I was referring to the ESPN talking heads, not to you.
Max Kellerman: Cleveland Browns ‘have to be considering’ firing Hue Jackson
| First Take | ESPN
I can't fathom the overreaction to Tyrod Taylor going back in to the game.
Jason Kelce injured his knee on the first drive of the game. Their starting, (2x) All-Pro, (2x) Pro-Bowl, soon-to-be 31-year-old C. They put him back in the game. Not a single word from anyone about that decision.
Nick Foles has been injured in both preseason games to date, and they still rolled him out for the third preseason game despite having a banged up OL, missing their starting wide receivers and seeing the Browns abuse him all night. Was it four first half sacks he took? Not a single word from anyone about that decision.
The Browns can't do the right thing when every answer is wrong.
Veterans day off in practice? What a weak franchise. No wonder they can't win anything. Reps are important and you can't be scared of injury.
QB returns to the game because the injury to his non-throwing hand isn't an issue? What a weak franchise. No wonder they can't win anything. Reps aren't that important and you need to play it safe in case of injury.
Even in that video they call it a contradiction; like the decision Jackson made wasn't one he just got smashed for not making.
Tyrod Taylor returned to the sideline and grabbed his helmet. He's a professional. He clearly felt, as the medical staff did, that he was fine to play. Taylor is learning a new offense with a new team; and the transition hasn't been perfect. The guy clearly wants as much experience and time as possible to get it right before the season starts. Must the Browns really put him on ice? For how long? The rest of the game? The next six years? I have no doubt that both answers are also incorrect and in either eventuality, everyone should be fired and the franchise blown up.
Max asks where a reasonable person can defend Hue Jackson: Practice makes perfect. Clearly, everyone felt the benefit of additional reps outweighed the risk of injury. Everyone. If Tyrod felt it wasn't a good idea to go back in, I'll bet the coaching staff would have trusted his judgement. If the medical staff felt he was too injured, as with Denzel Ward, I'll bet the coaching staff would have trusted their judgement.
Now isn't the time to get soft. There is only a few weeks left until the season starts and the offense clearly needs to maximise that time to get ready for the season. That is only going to occur if Taylor is on the field. If he's not, it's just going to make the regular season, when it actually matters, even more difficult.
Again, why is this not okay for Tyrod Taylor but perfectly fine for Nick Foles and Jason Kelce? Nobody has questioned the Eagles.
The answer is a simple one: It's the Browns. Easy target.
I'm also tired of hearing that Mayfield gets zero reps with the first team. That's so glorified. Mayfield has had plenty of time with the likes of Landry and Njoku, spent most of his reps on the second-team with Higgins and Callaway, has had Hyde/Johnson/Chubb all rotate on to the second team with him. He's also had the opportunity to go against the Browns defensive starters with the second team. He's also had plenty of starters on the second team defense; Ogunjobi, Peppers/Kindred, Mitchell, Collins, Kirksey and BBC are all notable players who have not exclusively taken first team reps. That's not to mention all the time he gets in drills where there is no first or second team.
It shows, too. Mayfield looks really comfortable with Higgins and Njoku, in particular. Mayfield looks like a rookie, but he's certainly not looked in over his year. The Eagles game was the ugliest thus far for him, but he didn't look hopeless. Why are we so obsessed with getting the back-up first team reps when he's slated to be the back-up all season and he hasn't looked trash anyway?
I just don't understand the logic: The Browns get crucified for trying to rush a rookie quarterback in, but get crucified for not rushing him in. If the offense falters with Taylor, it's "Shouldn't have given Mayfield all those reps" but if Mayfield is needed, it's "Should have given Mayfield more reps."
So my question: What is the issue? Taylor getting injured, going back out there and, uh, not getting reinjured? Mayfield not getting first team reps but it not being a pressing need for him to get them?
It's just more of the same: Browns can't do anything right, but only because there isn't an action that will be deemed the right thing to do.
It usually takes a good amount of provocation for me to attack another poster. I disagree with you for the reasons that I stated but the phrase "manufactured controversy" was not directed at you. I was referring to the ESPN talking heads, not to you.
My bad. I misinterpreted your post. Still, it's ok if you didn't like it.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
You nailed it BDU. Good post. If Tyrod was slated to play that entire 1st half anyway and was cleared to return by the medical staff then I see no problem. He was gonna be in there anyway. It's a lot about nothing.
You dont have to win every game just the next one!
I do realize that some here believe Hue can do no wrong.
I don't believe Foles played injured in your scenario. At least from what I remember.
And the thing that bothered me the most was ok, tyrod was cleared to re-enter the game but when he did he used his right hand to snap his chin strap in place on the left side of the helmet. That's when I realized his hand was bothering him. And if he were going down a next time, he would probably try to avoid using his left hand and that could cause further injury or another injury.
I want Mayfield to play over tyrod but not like this, not with an injury to the starter. I want tyrod to go out there and do the best he can. If he does and we win, great. And when mayfield gets a crack I want him to go out there and do the best he can.
And the thing that bothered me the most was ok, tyrod was cleared to re-enter the game but when he did he used his right hand to snap his chin strap in place on the left side of the helmet. That's when I realized his hand was bothering him. And if he were going down a next time, he would probably try to avoid using his left hand and that could cause further injury or another injury.
It was his pinky finger. Pinky finger. You know, that little finger that one extends beyond the cup handle when one is drinking tea in a formal manner. He was medically cleared and wanted to go back in. How do you keep a guy out who is medically cleared and wants to go back in? Pinky finger.
I don't care if it was just a paper cut. The guy ran off the field injured and you don't bring him back in. You sit him and wait for Week 1.
So that's the criteria? Player runs off the field injured and that dictates that he stays off the field? Leaving the field injured is the deciding factor?
Have you ever noticed how many times a player leaves the field, even needing help, and he's back playing four plays later? Some of you guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
J/C ... he dislocated his finger, had it popped back into place, and went back in.
He didn't rip his shoulder out, or break his arm. He didn't have his leg snapped in half. He dislocated the pinky on his left, non throwing, hand. The doctors popped it back into place. That's about as nothing as you get on the football field, as long as he didn't do major damage to the ligament and tendons, and completely tear them.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
King Hue will be just fine with me in a few years after the ... well, u know ...
Optimism, why this time it's different.
I don't think it's different until I'll see competiveness.
I'll have optimism if Hue is no longer HC; or if the team starts winning and I'm proven wrong.
But as of today, if Hue were out today, I'd be optimistic, to a point, today, because that means anything is possible
But as long as I believe the teams losing is because Hue can't get success vs the other HC's and gets out x'd and o'd and adjusted, or knows how to use even the talent in and in game situations
or how it's going to be the same because they cut veteran players which may have been starting to know how to ...
took a 30 minute break^ in my thoughts, come back to say, I don't know how Hue Jackson is still the Head Coach of the Cleveland Browns. If this results in winning I'll believe it when I see it.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
I'm honestly giving Hue solid faith in my mind; he deserves a chance to coach with REAL players and a viable QB/playmakers/assistant coaches
If that doesn't work, then of course we move on
Well I don't know how I'm supposed to take that when I firmly believe that in 2 years he's already had "real' players and UP TO 7 viable QB's, and the playmakers/assistant coaches are about an even swap.
And then of course it hasn't worked and they haven't moved on.
I'll take it as, Oh well we will wait and see!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
It's hard not to acknowledge that Hue knows how to handle his team after watching the Hard Knock series. He's been very impressive.
Vegas has the Browns over/under at 5.5. I think that is a good number because I've said they should win 5 or 6. Hue has more talent this year, so we'll finally get a good look at whether or not he can coach.
Wow. I love you Vers, but I wonder How Mike Pettine would feel if he's reading this. How many wins did he get fired for? actually my first thougt was how many nfl coaches in history have been fired for going 6-10 or 5-11, (maybe coughlin from the giants)
If after 3 years that's the high water mark, that the measure of success, then what the! what are we doing here?
It doesn't matter, I know it's up from 0-16, I know the rebuttals against what I just said, this is not to argue, just to highlight we want real success dang it.
Can't wait for the season to start and Let's go Browns!!! Hope for the best!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
I thought it was stupid on a few fronts to put TT back in the game. No reason to risk him if he is your dedicated starter, It cuts back on bakers learning with the first. Every rep is valuable especially for a rook. Should Hue be fired? last year the answer was yes, now thats even more stupid than him playing tt after him leaving the game.
The passing 4 times from the one is somethign we will never do in a game, it was something we were working on because we screwed it up so much the week before. Well it didnt improve this week lol.
Anyway, I know why Hue went back to TT but I disagree with the decision but thats football. Hue has his team playing hard, he is buying into Taylor as the QB and I continue to see progress with Baker.
Hue feels he needs a vet to beat Pitt on opening day and who can fault him for it. After 1-31 he knows he has to prove his worth and having a team compete with no wins wont do it. He may lose and get fired but he is doing it his way and gotta respect it, even if u disagree with it.
I'm honestly giving Hue solid faith in my mind; he deserves a chance to coach with REAL players and a viable QB/playmakers/assistant coaches
If that doesn't work, then of course we move on
Well I don't know how I'm supposed to take that when I firmly believe that in 2 years he's already had "real' players and UP TO 7 viable QB's, and the playmakers/assistant coaches are about an even swap.
And then of course it hasn't worked and they haven't moved on.
I'll take it as, Oh well we will wait and see!
7 viable starting QBs? Heck, I wonder if we have had anything except backups, at best.
RG3? A backup after a year out of football. Viable? Maybe, but I doubt it, and so did most of the NFL.
Kessler? A disappointment. He has shined as the backup in Jax this year, but in real games? Not a lot to hang your hat on there.
Hogan? Struggling to hold onto a 3rd string job. He's way behind Colt McCoy, who is the backup.
Josh McCown? This is probably the closest to viable, but he got hurt a lot here.
DeShone Kizer? Awful ball placement skills, sketchy accuracy, and a penchant for turnovers, especially in the Red Zone. Viable? Not a chance.
Charlie Whitehurst? LOL
That's 6. Who is the 7th?
Do you honestly believe that all of these guys are viable NFL starting QBs? Really?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
It's hard not to acknowledge that Hue knows how to handle his team after watching the Hard Knock series. He's been very impressive.
Vegas has the Browns over/under at 5.5. I think that is a good number because I've said they should win 5 or 6. Hue has more talent this year, so we'll finally get a good look at whether or not he can coach.
That over/under takes into account many factors, not just the quality of the roster. The number is surely deflated due to the quality of coaching. (It's hard to have much faith in a head coach that is a Josh Lambo field goal away from being 0-32, and has shown remarkably little ability to think on the fly.)
A good coach should be able to challenge for a playoff spot with this roster. Double digit losses would just be completely unacceptable, absent injury luck akin to the 2017 Texans.
And the thing that bothered me the most was ok, tyrod was cleared to re-enter the game but when he did he used his right hand to snap his chin strap in place on the left side of the helmet. That's when I realized his hand was bothering him. And if he were going down a next time, he would probably try to avoid using his left hand and that could cause further injury or another injury.
It was his pinky finger. Pinky finger. You know, that little finger that one extends beyond the cup handle when one is drinking tea in a formal manner. He was medically cleared and wanted to go back in. How do you keep a guy out who is medically cleared and wants to go back in? Pinky finger.
Pinky. pinky
There's more to playing QB than just throwing the ball with the throwing hand. He has to take snaps, hand the ball off, protect the ball in the pocket and on the run, etc.
It's hard not to acknowledge that Hue knows how to handle his team after watching the Hard Knock series. He's been very impressive.
Vegas has the Browns over/under at 5.5. I think that is a good number because I've said they should win 5 or 6. Hue has more talent this year, so we'll finally get a good look at whether or not he can coach.
That over/under takes into account many factors, not just the quality of the roster. The number is surely deflated due to the quality of coaching. (It's hard to have much faith in a head coach that is a Josh Lambo field goal away from being 0-32, and has shown remarkably little ability to think on the fly.)
A good coach should be able to challenge for a playoff spot with this roster. Double digit losses would just be completely unacceptable, absent injury luck akin to the 2017 Texans.
I'm sorry, but I think you are making things up and don't have a clue as to what you are saying.
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