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Zettel only has 2 more sacks then Nassib and Nassib played out of position his first year as 3-4 DE. I like the addition of Zettel, but I can't forsee us carrying six DE's thoughout the season. I just find it funny that we cut Nassib who was the higher rated of the two and pickup his college teammate. Zettel does have 2 more career sacks then Nassib but Nassib played out of position his 1st year and Nassib also has 9 career passes defenced to zero for Zettel. I don't see where we improved at all. I really don't either. I thought Nassib served as a good rotation guy. Got a little bigger too in weight. Granted I don't know much about the new DL guy but from all I could gather, as you said best, I don't see the improvement.
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Has anyone noticed that three of our top 4 draft picks (all within the top 35 picks of the 2018 NFL draft) will not be starting players?
Corbett is a huge bust. ......  as if that is a prerequisite for success. Question ... Did Bernie start his fist game as a rookie?! QB and OL are completely different. an OG picked at the first pick of the second round needs to start. We could have had Harold Landry at that spot. I screamed at the TV when we picked Corbett. If you have a guy in Bitonio who is a all pro LG, then I fail to see the logic in playing Corbett in his stead, unless Bitonio is @LT. --@LT maybe Bitonio is average. --Maybe Corbett is only average as a LG his rookie season. You have two average guys playing on the Left side of your OL. --Now consider that you have an all pro @LG in Bitonio and perhaps an average LT with Harrison, then you are still 50% better, then with Bitonio @LT. Corbett is being groomed for OC ... I said it when we drafted him and things are now starting to point in that very direction. Some of Corbetts help blocks in the preseason I think reveals his demeanor [insert Batman idiom]. He does things like Mack would do, and I don't mean love taps either ... I mean ... He cleans their clocks!
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Alternatively you could be comparing 2 average guys vs an elite LG and a below average LT
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I still dont even know what Chad Thomas looks or plays like Does that mean he's a bust too ... oh wait ... wrong poster ...  ... 
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Just because Zettel has 2 more career sacks doesn't mean he's the better pass rusher. If Nassib had played as 4-3 DE his rookie year instead of as a 3-4 DE he might have more career sacks then Zettel and as for run defense according to PFF Nassib was the better run defender last year.
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So we cut Nassib a 3rd rnd pick and pick up his college teammate Zettel a 6th rnd pick who wasn't rated as high as Nassib coming out of the 2016 draft. Back before we drafted him, I posted about being down on him because Zettel and Johnson flushed QBs to him and inflated his stats. Nassib was one of those "big guys who could run," but that doesn't correlate with success all that well. Especially when it's primarily in a straight line. Williams seems to like undersized DTs, and versatility.
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Alternatively you could be comparing 2 average guys vs an elite LG and a below average LT I'm pretty confident that Harrison will be an above average LT (outstanding drop kick/feet) physically ... Mentally is still an unknown factor.
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I think Nassib was and i guess still is way overrated by many on here ....
I remember the game had 2 or 3 sacks his rookie year and everyone was raving about him ... as i re-watched the game on two of the sacks .. he was blocked .. stonewalled and the QB ran to him and rendered the blocker useless ... *L* ...
I was thinking ... dude didnt beat anyone around the edge ... dude didn’t bull rush and just run over his guy ...
HE DIDN’T CREATE THE SACK .. it came to him both times ...
He’s a tweener IMO .. a really good athelete but he had no special skill ... he wasn’t quick enough or have the burst to get around the edge .. and he wasn’t strong enough to bull rush ...
He 100% fits dude dating or married to the ex stripper’s scenario of some guys peeking in college ... he was quick enough to get around the edge in college and could bull rush people .. i think one of the reasons we drafted him is cause he led the country in sacks ... i may be remembering that wrong ...
His skills didnt translate to the nfl ... and he simply didn’t imoprove ...
Nassib was way overrated. We won't miss him. He also seemed like a dork...change the two middle letters. Orchard....seems like a great guy, but he was just a "guy". As Hue said, it was time to go in a different direction. Might as well bring in the next guy and see if he can become better. No real surprises here...any time a new FO or coaching crew comes to a team, everything is changed. That isn't just Sashi. It's been that way for decades. If Hue and Dorsey fail, it will be the same deal. Well, Hue will go first. He doesn't have many chips left. Dorsey has a pile in front of him.
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Nassib had one pass rush move.
he no counters
he was neutralized easily.
his sack totals reflect his inability
to be a force
i cant name one thing he did does well as a DE.
stopping the run...whoopie.he was drafted to put qbs on the ground.
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Without any inside info, the feeling I have is that the Browns want Harrison to take over the LT job. Whether that's game 1 or down the road, that's the goal. If true, then what makes sense is to get that in place as soon as they are comfortable starting him so the line can gel.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Bitonio starts at LT Sunday. This week may be too soon. Or not.
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I can name something he was good at....blocking passes at the LOS.
Swatting down 2-3 passes a year is a good number. It's just not enough to keep you on the team.
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Nassib had 9 career passes defensed, you add that with his 5.5 sacks and that is 14.5 negative plays he caused for the opponent where Zettel has no career passes defensed and 1 forced fumble for a total of 8.5 negative plays.
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Nassib had 9 career passes defensed, you add that with his 5.5 sacks and that is 14.5 negative plays he caused for the opponent where Zettel has no career passes defensed and 1 forced fumble for a total of 8.5 negative plays. And probably why he got picked up by Tampa. I am just saying we aren't going to miss him. I am just saying that at no point are we going to be thinking "If we only had Carl".
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Nassib had 9 career passes defensed, you add that with his 5.5 sacks and that is 14.5 negative plays he caused for the opponent where Zettel has no career passes defensed and 1 forced fumble for a total of 8.5 negative plays. Question. How much did Zettel play his first year? I know he has only played in 26 games. His 1st year stats are very low compared to last year. I'm betting he didn't have many snaps his 1st year. Personally, I like Nassib. I think cutting him for the guy they brought in was a mistake. When it comes to him vs. Zettel I want more facts.
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I agree, like I said earlier though, I find it funny that we picked up his former college teammate who I don't really see as any better of a player. Could have just kept Nassib and saved all the work. LOL
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Nassib had 9 career passes defensed, you add that with his 5.5 sacks and that is 14.5 negative plays he caused for the opponent where Zettel has no career passes defensed and 1 forced fumble for a total of 8.5 negative plays.  And we needed every one of those 9 PDs' ... Because the backend sure couldn't defend a pass. But now Nassib is no longer a Brown ... Wish him luck vs 31 other teams; so the Zettler addition is intriguing to me.
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2016
Zettel 13 Games/0 Starts 215 plays
1 sack 13 tackles
Nassib 14 Games/3 Starts 540 plays
2.5 sacks 20 tackles 4 passes defensed
2017
Zettel 16 Games/16 Starts 753 plays
6.5 sacks 43 tackles 1 forced fumble
Nassib 16 Games/12 Starts 643 plays
3 sacks 32 tackles 5 passes defensed
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Zettel 13 Games/0 Starts 215 plays
1 sack 13 tackles
Nassib 14 Games/3 Starts 540 plays
2.5 sacks 20 tackles 4 passes defensed
2017
Zettel 16 Games/16 Starts 753 plays
6.5 sacks 43 tackles 1 forced fumble
Nassib 16 Games/12 Starts 643 plays
3 sacks 32 tackles 5 passes defensed For the "advanced" metrics:  Zettel: 968 plays - 1 sack/129 plays, 1 neg-play/114 plays, 1 tackle/17.3 plays Nassib: 1183 plays - 1 sack/215 plays, 1 neg-play/81.6 plays, 1 tackle/22.7 plays So Zettel appears to be a very slight upgrade in the sacks and tackles department.
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On the sacks though we have to remember that Nassib played out of position his rookie year and last year for 7 of his starts he was Garrett's replacement so he didn't have much pass rush help where Zettel had Ansah to take the pressure off him.
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This isn't Alex Mack we're talking about. It's not Schwartz. It's not Gipson. It's not Benji. It's not Joe Haden. It's not even Pryor. It's freaking Carl Nassib.
Not sure why it is such a big deal?
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It's not a big deal it's just Browns fans talking shop. Sorry if that offends you.
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Wonder why they don't show tackles for loss?
Or percent of snaps facing double teams or when offense keeps a tight end or back in on their side of the field.
Did Nassib play on both sides? Seems Zettels brings that versatility. I like a Swiss army knife for the 53rd man.
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Wonder why they don't show tackles for loss?
Or percent of snaps facing double teams or when offense keeps a tight end or back in on their side of the field.
Did Nassib play on both sides? Seems Zettels brings that versatility. I like a Swiss army knife for the 53rd man. Zettel is more of a tweener who is best suited for the end but can also play inside, whereas Carl was a little too long/thin to be playing inside. Zettel is also more stout against the run. Their PFF grades aren't all that different, 70 for Zettel, 65 for Nassib. But I think the comparison is off. Carl Nassib was waived to make room for Zettel, but Ifeadi Odenigbo is our new Carl Nassib - although, admittedly, I think it'll be Avery who is the true pass rush specialist. Zettel is here for some safety and versatility in depth. Carl could be a little wild. Over rushing on the pass or losing contain on the run. Zettel should be a little more reliable to not give up plays even if he doesn't make as many plays as Carl.
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It doesn't offend me. I was simply adding my perspective in that I don't think it's all that big of a deal.
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j/c...mostly.
I don't think it's a big deal either. I wasn't surprised that Nassib got cut. I was disappointed though and not so much about the player being cut, as with yet-another young, drafted player not panning out...and a "high pick" player at that. It is what it is.
Pit nailed it earlier in this thread when he talked about teams evaluating guys coming into year 3-4 and their development and projection. Some guys you've simply seen enough-of and it's time to move on and see if you can get someone "better" for what you need. Teams sometimes get that eval "wrong" but when it's time to move on. it's time to move on.
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So we cut Nassib a 3rd rnd pick and pick up his college teammate Zettel a 6th rnd pick who wasn't rated as high as Nassib coming out of the 2016 draft. Suggests that draft projections are an inexact process.
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So we cut Nassib a 3rd rnd pick and pick up his college teammate Zettel a 6th rnd pick who wasn't rated as high as Nassib coming out of the 2016 draft. Suggests that draft projections are an inexact process. True. PFF has Zettel ranked higher than Nassib. As did our FO obviously. I like Nassib a lot, and was routing for him since his rookie year, but I must admit he did make a lot of mental errors. Seems like a slight upgrade at the position. Slowly bringing the bottom level talent closer to center. A classic Dorsey move.
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Probably a slight upgrade, or at least a try out to see if he can give us more
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