DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Problem With The Coaching Staff.

We have one of the best OC in the league. We have one of the best DC in the league. There is no one we could hire and that is willing to come coach here that would ever be better. Flat out this is as good as it gets. PERIOD.

Hue is letting those guys do whatever they want but just doing his best to keep players motivated and healthy. From what I have seen he is doing this job with that great ability.

I think Hue with the coordinators will be a force to be reckoned with next season. I expect out defense to be flying this year and our brand new offense to be a bit sluggish just like the defense was last year. Does that mean Haley suddenly is a bad OC? No, it means we have players learning a new system and have not had enough reps in it that they are not playing instinctual yet.

I really hope that regardless of our record this year that we keep this coaching staff together for next season. I honestly don't have it in me to go through another coaching upheaval and years of waiting for something decent to be on the field.

KEEP thinking it, Dawg. Cause I DO TOO!

Why?

Saints go 1-0. Then get us. THEN game 1 of 2 vs. Division Rival Atlanta. That's the definition of a SET UP GAME!

Games 1 AND 2 are winnable.

We Damn near popped Pukesburg game 1 last year with KIZER. What's different? WR Washington and NO SHAZIER. GARRETT.

I LOVE our chances here.

Looksie. The Ferry has been called back to get those 18 just dropped off. They didn't even get to their cars!

Thats like walking out onto a balcony as opposed to a shaky tree limb .... ...

He may make it it to the bye if we start 0 - 5 ... but thats about as far as Hue’s ship would sail if we start 0 - 5 ....

1st two games are tough ... we will be dogs and rightfully so ... in years past winning either of them would have been a HUGE UPSET ... if we pull out one of these tow this year it will be a mild upset ...

Then in week 3 were playing a team with a qb thats making his 3rd start in the nfl ... even if we pull out a win in the first two weeks or not ,,, this is a MUST WIN game ... he’s going to be struggling mightily at this pint in his young career ... we have to win that game ...

But thats beside the point .. if we start 0 - 5 ... not sure if Hue gets fired on the spot ... but he’s gone at the bye IMO .. fair or not is irrelivent ...

But we’ll be 3 - 2 or 2 -3 after 5 ... so no worries ...

j/c

I'm not putting much into an opinion on the coaches based on Hard Knocks...which has been quite entertaining. There's no way to get the full picture from a few hours of NFL-reality TV. I will say this:

I'm not impressed or discouraged by what I've seen of Hue simply because I can only assume that he is the same guy today that he's been since he got here. If he's truly different, I can see why players like him...so long as Hue likes the player. I think he tries too hard to be 'like-able'. Bosses just don't get to be that guy.

I think Williams says what he thinks he should say to be a tough guy...I don't find him to be very genuine. I think his bluster is filled with some 'pretend'.

I think Haley is what he appears to be...somewhat of a complete arse and/or a little nuts...but I see no 'fake' in him...for better or worse. He genuinely has no filter and doesn't care what he's talking about or who he's talking about. He is brutally honest...not saying he's always correct.

Trap games aren’t real.

Especially after we come out and punch the Steelers in the face.

Yes, playing a game in the ocean would be a very tall task indeed!

LOL

Opps !

I disagree. I think teams mentally overlook 'weak' opposition every year and lose games they'd win if they were preparing normally.

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress....own-game-myths/

(Side note: The person who wrote the above article is Kevin Meers. He now works for the Browns his title is "Director, Research and Strategy".)

Lmao. Dude I ain't even reading it.

TRUST ME. SET UP GAMES HAPPEN. And it has NOTHING to do with Vegas.

Maybe you understand LOOKING AHEAD or LETDOWN?

Not looking at the article is very easy. If you did it you would not see the words "point spread" or "Vegas."

Continue on in your little world.

MGH. I understand EXACTLY WHY WE FEEL NEW ORLEANS IS POTENTIALLY RIPE FOR A LOSS.

Good discussion.

The article does nothing to address trap games. I have to say if this guy is on the Browns he's not very impressive.

While a 0.500+ team playing a -0.500 might give you a base line. . . . where are the statistics and comparisons of - say - a 0.700 team playing a sub 0.3 team or a sub 0.25 team (the numbers don't need to add up to 1.0) ... the definition of a trap game is a dominant team (way better than .500) playing a weak team (way below .500) and the article doesn't even come close to sniffing anything to do with that. Just coz the article has "Harvard" in the strap line doesn't mean it is correct.

Thanks for reading the article, I was just representing one side. I don't think teams overlook teams, I think some teams just lose to crappy teams sometimes.

j/c

It seems to me the disconnect lies between possibility and probability and that when it happens the popular belief is that the reason for the loss is a "trap game". Which refuses to take into account who has home field advantage and injuries.

I have seen good teams, better on paper than an opponent, play down to that level with mistakes, penalties, and the like. I have also seen teams play over their head and scrape a win with a little luck over a better opponent. It has been known to happen. Not the mainstream, but it can.

The NFL prepares for games well. Injuries in game, flukes, bounces, messed up assignments can happen. Not sure I buy into trap games in the whole, but I surely do hope for them. We might get this one.

Go ahead. Make me cheer. This is the year for a win!

It has to be true if it is on the internet.

Btw----I am not saying that we are a trap game for New Orleans, but anyone who has ever played or coached the game knows that there are trap games.

I agree. Teams are supposed to look at one game at a time. It doesn't always work that way.

The week after playing us the Saints head on the road to play the Falcons. A big division rivalry game.

wrong thread

Whether or not we are a trap game in Week 2 depends almost entirely on how we show up Week 1.

If we come out of Week 1 with a 1-0 record, they will NOT be looking past us.

If we come out of it 0-1 and still looking like the bumbling fools that find new & creative ways to lose, then yeah, they will probably not look as deeply at us as they might otherwise.


All that being what it is, I don't think there is any way that we are a trap game for anyone in the first half of this season. Between Hard Knocks and all the hype and whatnot around this team, you can absolutely bet that other teams are scouting us and looking hard to try to figure out what to expect.

j/c...

Wasn't sure where else to put this....

Scott Petrak ct @ScottPetrak
#Browns Amos Jones on Hue Jackson's decision to go with Jabrill Peppers over Antonio Callaway as No. 1 punt returner: We're gonna do what the hell we're told. And there's a learning curve (for Callaway).

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That's a weird quote. I don't really even know what it means.

I'll help you. It means that:

--Hue Jackson is the head coach.

--Callaway isn't quite ready for that responsibility.

--You and the other haters have a new reason to bash Hue.

I'm not going to look, but it seems to me that he misplayed a punt or 2 in the preseason, and that probably played a part in him not being the PR.

I seem to have misplaced my thread. I think it means coaching probs — but maybe personnel getting coached is the issue. Under real fire, we looked lame more than once.

But I believe that good veteran coaches make good veteran adjustments when possible. This should be a strength. Remains to be seen yet.

Thursday's game is one that bothers me.

It's hard to make coaching adjustments when you haven't yet seen the team in action.

Now that the coaches have seen the team, they can make changes, and to work to put the players in their best positions. We do have veteran coordinators, and I believe that they will do so .... but, especially on offense, the sheer volume of new players make it a process that will be ongoing, as the team comes together, and they see who fits where and what, and who might not.

damn it Vers, stop saying things I agree with. Doesnt create enough drama.

I agree with that. The coaches have seen them all in controlled practices and limited vanilla situations up until last week. They have not seen all these combinations for use in a real game plan.

Football is going with strength. Football means adjustments. Winning soon matters to me. Hope we roll somebody.

j/c

There were seven new HC hires this off season. Their combined record in week one was 0-7.

and none of them looked very good. The Lions were a trainwreck

Living so close to Nashville, I see a lot of Titans coverage. They squeaked into the playoffs last year with Mike Mularkey as their HC. For some reason, the Titans didn't think that was good enough for another season hoping to build on that.

Instead, they went with a never before HC in Mike Vrabel. While it's too early to say for sure, the sloppiness of the Titans in week one looks like Vrabel may be in over his head.

Sometimes people need to be careful what they wish for.

yeah Tennessee is one of those teams that just never does it for me. They're just "blah"

As always, I hope the Browns win.

Well I have another reason to Bash Hue,

because 10 minutes after I made that post, is when I heard the Browns are going to release Josh Gordon.