DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Steelers now listening to Le'Veon Bell trade offers, per report

No thanks they can have him. That kind of money for a running back is just stupid. There is no way Dorsey would ever tie that much cap into a runner. I mean we already have a runner like him in Duke and we don't even use him the way we should.

Let the guy rot if a million dollars a game(almost) is not enough money for him.

So are you suggesting that would be a solid deal? Assume the Stoolies get to accept or reject that or would it be Bell?

If you are directing that question to me - no. If someone elects to trade for Bell, it is a gamble that it is just a rental for this season. His team cannot discuss a new contract until the day after the Super Bowl. They can talk to him before anyone else can, but still. A team cannot even talk to him now to see if he would be open to a long term deal so they can decide whether or not to make the trade.

Again, I do not know what the Stillers are looking for in exchange. Due to the gamble, I would not offer much. Also somewhat of a pain. And, RB is not a desparate need for us.

Could care less what Pittsburgh does ...

Every other player is not making 14+ million a year.
That is only a handful, and in that case one must make sure they are signing the right player to a hefty contract.

I was talking to my Jets buddy about this yesterday. It actually makes sense for them. They have a lot of cap room, and they've got Darnold on a rookie deal for a couple of years anyway. Give Bell that big contract he's looking for, and it takes the heat off of Darnold for a couple of years while he learns to be a top NFL QB. He'll have time to grow and adjust as defenses are forced to game-plan for Bell instead of him.

Then after a couple of years, the Bell deal expires and you give that money to Darnold. Draft a RB and place him behind your now seasoned QB.

I don't think anyone will question the talent that Bell brings to the table. But look around the Browns, what is the one single thing you see? I SEE TEAM FIRST thinking from everyone. From the guy who cleans the toilets to the Haslams and all points in between.

From what I can see, there is no room for or desire for a prima donna like Bell here.

Yes, he can help the team on the field, but off the field, He's looking more and more like trouble.

I don't think I'd want him here to infect the minds and hearts of the rest of the club...

No Thanks

j/c

The Colts should be aggressive with the Steelers. They have underwhelming RBs, and a QB that could use a good running game (all can, of course, but with Luck coming back from injury...). They have the cap room as well, and an additional 2nd rounder next year - they could offer up their 1st, the 2nd rounder from the Jets, and a future conditional pick (4th escalating to 1st depending on performance). Bell instantly makes the Colts a much better team.

I don't get how people actually thiknk this would be a decent idea.....

1. there is not chance he stays after this year
2. WE HAVE A VERY SOLID RB ROOM, whom our starter just ran for 98 and 2 td
3. Hes a headcase, and a suspension just waiting to happen, yeah lets go down that road again....

"we gotta get this guy!!"

4. He runs ripshod on the Steeler defense, twice a year for the next 4 years.

No divas.

No one is giving up that much for a 26 year old running that they will then have to pay. Teams can't even sign him to an extension.

If the Steelers want him out of their hair, they can just rescind the franchise tag and let him become a free agent.

That’s if you can sign him to an extension after the season

Thanks for explaining that so well. My offer would be for less than what he rejected if I bothered to get on board now. I would prefer to see where the market sets the bar for a player who IMO overvalues himself a bunch.

His situation seems bizarre.

eh, have you seen photos of him in Miami? he has gained about 30 pounds it looks like. No thanks. we are paying what 10 million less for Hyde? lets say Hyde runs for 1000 yards and 8 Td....Bell runs for 1600 and 10 TD, is 10 million worth 600 yards and 2 Td? Nope.

I don't see it as a head case.

A few things to remember....the guy made a ton of money to this point. He could retire tomorrow and be good the next 60 years.

Backs know they have a shorter lifespan, and he gets used a lot.

Sitting out isn't going to decrease his value. A serious injury is going to decrease his value.

Emmett Smith did this with the Cowboys....a few losses change minds.


I think he and his agent are playing the best hand possible. He doesn't want 14 mil a year. He wants maybe 30 guaranteed over 3-4 years.....whatever the number is. Numbers are numbers. The guarantee is the only number than matters at this point in his career.

Imo...that alone makes him a head case... along with being greedy...

I just wish players played for the love of the game...

And I don't want to hear how they have short careers... I was buried a live in a ditch..told I was never going to walk or work again..

But hey ..you know me... I went through a lot...but never got no millions to be good for the next 60 years..

I have none...no..not any sympathy for any pro athlete who holds out.

let me repeat, "they COULD offer up their 1st, the 2nd rounder from the Jets, and a future conditional pick (4th escalating to 1st depending on performance). Bell instantly makes the Colts a much better team. "

Nowhere did I say they should or would

Based on the performance of James Conner to this point, I disagree. I think he misjudged his value to the Steelers and overplayed his hand.

Him and his agent are playing the best possible hand?

We’ll see about that ....

U say guaranteed money is the key ... i agree ... well the day he signs his tender whatever’s left of the contract becomes gauranteed ... si if he signed it the day before the first game he was gauranteed just over 14 million ...

As of today he’s down 2.5 mill ... after this week it will be 3.4 million ...

If he sits out and misses all 9 games he’s gonna be out just shy of 7.7 million ...

Then he will have to come back and be active for 7 games ...

Hes playing a dangerous game on many levels here .... and he’s gonna be out 7.7 mill of GAURANTEED MONEY ...

Him and his agent may have forgotten the shelf life of RB’s and the fact Bell’s oft injured and has been suspended not once but twice ... and now he’s managed to alienate his teammates ...

We’ll see how this plays out ...

I think he overplayed his hand ... we shall see ...

I agree with the numbers and with his talent. I just don't think it shows good thinking myself trying to figure his end game. I think head case because of money lost and games not played, assume because of ego and its demands. Maybe he is not and I am wrong. But I don't see a team guy contributing now.

It's a business.

Kind of says what I am feeling and struggling to get said. Seems to be hurting himself going forward, weakening the payoff to any solution, and the Stoolies are seeming finding some way to produce alternatives. Less money would seem to be more attractive to the FO. But they started this.

My opinion and maybe I'm wrong, but I still think Bell is the best back in the league. And it's really not close. I also don't think he cares about playing, he just wants the money. He's prepared to sit out the entire season in my opinion.

I can't say I side one way or another, I see both sides... but the Steelers had to have talked to him if they are listening to trade offers... It is my understanding they can't trade him unless he signs his tag.

I hear from some friends that they expect Bell to march in their week 11 and sign his tag so he can become a free agent. I'm not sure I buy that.

I don't think he cares about that. I think he's prepared to not play anywhere if he doesn't get paid by the steelers or some other team. So if the steelers play games with him and not allow him to become a free agent next year he very well could be done playing.

I also think that's why the steelers are interested in trading him. Someone will have to trade for him and be willing to pay him, all the while letting Bell know they will because he's not going to sign his franchise tag not knowing his fate.

That's how this whole thing makes sense to me.

If the steelers rescind the franchise tag he becomes a FA and the steelers get nothing, or Bell comes in week 11 and signs the franchise tag and he becomes a FA next season. Steelers are screwed either way and are opting to at least try and get something out of this fiasco.

Agreed Diam he seems to have overplayed... Persoanlly O dpnt get the math.

So he sits out 8 games and losses lets says 8,mil.

he is reportedly looking at AB money 17 a year for four years, I HEARD he was offered 14 a year ( not sure if that is true or not), assume that's true.

so he is losing 8 mil this year in the hopes of getting an extra 12 mil over the next four years, or 4 million more?

Seems a hefty gamble to potentially lose 64 mil.

IDK maybe my numbers are off or something.

I'm all for players trying to get what they are worth, but some of that worth has to be what the market sets not what the player feels he is worth.

Hell I think I'm worth 200,000 to my employer, they pay me much less.

Hold out. If you're really worth that much, they'll pay it. Or they'll just find a James Conner to do your work for you.

I'd say Gurley is the best RB right now ... he's VERY good

Bell is probably #2 ... but let's not forget: maybe Ben does make him that good

Do you go to work for "the love of your job"?



If you were one of only a few that could even begin to do your job and your company reaped millions upon millions of dollars for your work, you would make a lot more money.



While I can certainly understand this, everyone wants to be paid what the market will bare. I'm not sticking up for Bell here either. But the NFL is a job, a profession for these guys. Just like your job is. I've never gone to work strictly for "the love of my job". I've always really liked the work I've done, but I always looked for the top pay in my profession.

I agree as' well. Seeing Conner, I think a lot of RB's could have success in Pittsburgh run scheme.



Yeppers! His teammates have HAD to lose some respect for him, if not a substantial amount of respect loss. Quite frankly, I think the O-LINE, specifically, is happily blocking for Conner.


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In any case, glad it's not our drama to deal with first hand.

His O line went to war in public for him, and he returned the favor by spitting in their faces and not showing up.

Yeah, that's not a good look for a teammate

The most the Steelers offered Le'Veon was 5 years, 70 mil, 35 guaranteed. Todd Gurley got 5 years, 60 mil and 45 guaranteed. I think Le'Veon is right. James Connor isn't blowing me away, and I think the line is better than last years.

if the issue is over the gaurantee, i don't see why they wouldn't offer bell the same contract Gurley got.

Mentioned yesterday the #Steelers final offer to RB Le’Veon Bell was 5 years, $70M. More context today: The fully guaranteed part was his signing bonus of just over $10M. He would’ve made $33M over the 1st two years — in a rolling guaranteed structure. $45M over the 1st 3 years.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) July 17, 2018

U sure about that ...

DeCastro played about a half so far this year .... he broke his hand in game 1 ... has a cast on it ... they thought he could play last week then he had a set back ...

Last week neither him nor Gilbert played ... thats the entire right side of the OL ... they lost Hubbard and didn’t replace him ...

Pretty sure the guys that have suited up for Pit week in and week out so far this year is not as good as last years OL seeing how its been missing part of last years OL including 40% of it for 33% of the time played ...

But thats just me .... ....

I’d take Gurley over Bell in a nano second ...

I’d take Johnson, Kamara, Zeke, Barclay and others over Bell ...

Put those guys in Pits O and see what they could do ....

Compltely agree with you Pit. I hear all the time "these players don't deserve that kind of money" ok....well the money needs to go somewhere. The teams are making the money, should the owners just keep 100% of the profits, and the players not reap any benefits from it?

I bet there are more people in Diesels line of work than there are in the NFL. It is an elite profession, that only a fractional amount of people on earth are talented enough to obtain. Sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me.

Bell is thinking that if he plays this year for 14 mil or whatever that number is and gets a career ending injury, he will lose more in the long run that just this years salary. Hes playing the long game.

Let think this way. He signs his tender for 15 million or whatever it is, gets hurt and never earns another dollar again. ORRRRR, he can sit out and stay healthy, and earn 10-12 million a year guaranteed for the next 5 years.......its math bro.