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Bye Bye .... don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya ...

Thanks for the great insights! Eotab encouraged me to get out here and post, so here goes.
So glad I now know it is Jamie Collins causing my frustration in the backfield. It always seems someone is back there and misses. Lots of tweets calling him out! I have to get my kids to show me how to copy those so I can put them on.

The game changed when Baker got hurt. I know I’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop. I can’t help it...ala Brian Hoyer when he was great, got hurt and there went our season.I guess he couldn’t see the field. They blocked his throwing lanes and he couldn’t move out of the pocket like usual. He didn’t seem to be moving at all at the start of the injury. His accuracy also seemed effected.

Something I noticed against the Ravens was at the end of the game. He wasn’t running around happy for the win. I thought he was just tired. This week, he didn’t seem as enthusiastic as usual. Even before his injury something seemed off.

The whole team seemed flat. Too much fun after the big win? Tired from all the overtime?

Yeah, I quoted myself... am I the only one who saw this?

This is a safety, no?

Good luck Tab. I hope everything turns out well.

Don't think it is, Myles is in the end zone but the ball isn't

It's where the foul occurs not where the ball is...

I think it matters where the ball is when the foul occurs. If Rivers were in the endzone, it would have been a safety. Since he is not, no safety.

Device is right, it’s where the foul occurred not where the ball is located.

Would be interesting to see when the flag was actually thrown on the play. Did the hold initially occur before MG was in the end zone. The NFL would say that, no doubt.

I would still like to go back and watch it...

I know it's over and done with but I'm curious.

I don't know what discussions took place on the penalty, but my first thought was safety. No one mentioned it, not the announcers, not the officials... but Hue may have asked about it and they said it wasn't in the endzone. I would LOVE to know how it played out...

Hue Jackson said holding penalty by Chargers LT Russell Okung against Myles Garrett came before end zone, shouldn't have been a safety.

https://twitter.com/ScottPetrak/status/1051905628539641856

Here is a link to a Jamie Collins play where he is called out:

https://twitter.com/joshfin/status/1051882880618639365?s=21

Another

https://twitter.com/brownsfilmbdn/status/1051864692271009794?s=21

Damn. Maybe we can sign Rivers to be our RT.

Thanks. Holding looks like it happened at the 1.

I saw a team go into a game believing the hype they received all week from media and fans.

I saw Hue go for it on 4th and 2 down 11 points. A FG would have pulled them closer early in the game. Chargers score immediately afterwards, and the team quit at that point.

I saw Collins and Burgess both putting very little hustle into their game. I saw Ogbah be handled one on one constantly.

I again saw a Williams defense let a team run wild on them. Using the same play over and over.

I agree that after the non call on the LT in which they scored while half the defense stopped, the team gave up.

I saw a young team get a lesson from a seasoned Vet(Rivers).

I saw that Landry will give up if things aren't going good.

Dorsey needs to sign a viable WR, not one with poor hands. And Hue needs to never give this young group a "victory Monday" until they win a few in a row.

Next week we will see if this team will overcome the egg they laid Sunday, and put forth a statement game. If they don't, I see a return to the pit they have been in for the last couple years.

I like Hue, but if the team performs like that again, his days could be counted. Not that that is what I want, but it would be something that will be something that will be looked at.

I would like to add, that without Schobert, the LBs are horrible. I have not seen Kirksey do much of anything this year, and Collins only plays when he feels like it. IMO, Burgess is a very overrated player.

Dorsey needs to find a stud WR and a LB who can tackle before the deadline.

Severe enough to hamper his throwing IMHO.

Should TT start next game then?

Positive thoughts and prayers headed your way.

J/c:

Aren't refs supposed to throw the flag where the foul occured? It looked like that one landed in the end zone. Just saying.

The whole he started holding him earlier doesn't really hold up for me. It's still a foul while he's holding him in the endzone. They don't mark pass interference where the receiver is first touched.

Step 1 is the qb needs to be in the end zone .... if he’s not in the end zone it doesn’t matter where the holding occurs its not a safety ...

I believe he was in the endzone when the hold started.

Doesn't matter. Here's the rule.

SECTION 29 - SAFETY

It is a Safety if the spot of enforcement for a foul by the offense is behind its own goal line, or if the ball is dead in possession of a team on or behind its own goal line when the impetus (3-17) comes from the team defending that goal line.

The hold was clearly in the endzone and should've been a safety.

Except it wasn't clearly in the end zone. Some say that it the hold started before they reached the end zone.

We didn't lose the damn game due to the officiating.

I agree, I think the foul was called prior to reaching the end zone, even if it was only by half a step. And the refs definitely didn't cost us THIS game. They still boned us several times, but they didn't cost us the game for a change. We did that all on our own.

A disturbing trend I've seen out of Collins this season is that he gets off to a slow start every game... lack of hustle, poor tackling, not willing to fully commit to the play.. typically I've only seen that last the first series or two, but this game.... I predict we'll be looking for his replacement in next years Draft.

I'm with Swish on this loss... I'm strangely comfortable with the timing of it. This team has made strides getting the monkey off it's back, but it hasn't accomplished anything yet. They are only just getting back to a base line NFL team. My hope is that this was a humbling game for them.

The Chargers to me looked like they were expertly executing their blocking assignments with precision. I swear every play each offensive player was actively carrying out their assignment, the 'ol hat on a hat. Our defense tried to do what your supposed to and force the runner back inside, but because San Diego's execution was so well done, there was no one there to pick him up.

But the Browns were indeed flat. They didn't seem to put themselves in the best positions to shed blocks and instead looked like they were generally content to eat up the block and assume someone else would make the tackle.

Thanks...I was just about to make a comment saying that might be the case.

I was at the game, and the hold did indeed start outside of the end zone. Garrett was driving hard and they ended up in the end zone.

Also, in this instance all that matters is where the hold occurs and not where the QB and/or the ball is. If the hold was in the end zone, it is a safety even if the QB is in the field of play.

No.

75% Baker Mayfield > 100% Tyrod Taylor

Surprised you got this wrong cfrs..where the fould occured is meaningless, its where the ball is. To be a safety Rivers has to be in the endzone....if the hold is on the one yard line and rivers is in the endzone...THAT IS SAFETY...surprised you knowledgeable fans don't know the rule.

No not this week at least

And I would say the worse call of the two was the non call on the false start. JMO

and I don't think it was hold, as rivers was not in the endzone. Think about it guys, for a safety to occur, the ball carrier must be talked in their own endzone, so the ball would have to be in the endzone on a hold for it to be a safety.

Section 29, Safety.

It is a safety if the spot of enforcement for a foul by the offense is behind its own goal line.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2018-nfl-rulebook/