So knowing what we know about our WR core... who in college should we be watching? Anyone have a favorite college WR they like at the top of the draft?
We need SIZE and STRENGTH... and someone that consistently catches the ball. This guy might slide because he doesn't have elite speed.
They traded their season away when they traded Gordon.
Gordon was a distraction because he did not want to be here simple as that ...
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Only a Browns Football Season can we go from having touted one of the best WR corps in the league to literally talking about moving a RB to WR in few short weeks. SMH.
Who was it that touted or WR corps as one the best in the league? I mean outside of some posters on this board.
Our WR corps said that a few times in camp if im not mistaken. I remember few talking heads throwing that out there at the time.
Legit came into this season at the time thinking we had :
A healthy Josh Gordon The best slot guy in the league A Very good #3 option in Louis/Higgins A very talented prospect in Callaway.
They traded their season away when they traded Gordon.
Gordon was a distraction because he did not want to be here simple as that ...
No, he really wasn't. He is a good player that we need and don't have a replacement for. Our season is tanked because we have no depth at WR.
It would have been smarter to play him until the end of the season and then trade him.
I agree and disagree. At some point you have to draw a line in the sand, but they should not have traded with him so quickly, and without getting a replacement or back up plan.
I don't believe that for a second, and we were doing pretty well without Gordon until we got utterly gob-smacked by injuries the past couple of weeks.
When we get Higgins back, things will improve a good amount. In the interim, Baker and Landry need to be tied together at the hip all week. Perriman is not the answer to anything with his history of drops, and Ratley and that other guy we just elevated from the Practice Squad are simply footnotes being given a shot out of necessity.
I saw Baker throw one ball away on the right side with an open Landry running right to left in a short dump off route. That sort of out-of-sync needs to be fixed ASAP, if not sooner.
They traded their season away when they traded Gordon.
Gordon was a distraction because he did not want to be here simple as that ...
No, he really wasn't. He is a good player that we need and don't have a replacement for. Our season is tanked because we have no depth at WR.
It would have been smarter to play him until the end of the season and then trade him.
I agree and disagree. At some point you have to draw a line in the sand, but they should not have traded with him so quickly, and without getting a replacement or back up plan.
J/C ..... despite Gordon's talk about loving the coaches in general, and Hue Jackson in particular, he showed up late to practices and meetings. He was not committed to the team. After missing almost all of camp, he got hurt in a photo shoot. He showed up in a condition that concerned the team to the extent that they decided they had had enough.
This is why I argued that I would never have let him near the team to start with.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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J/C ..... despite Gordon's talk about loving the coaches in general, and Hue Jackson in particular, he showed up late to practices and meetings. He was not committed to the team. After missing almost all of camp, he got hurt in a photo shoot. He showed up in a condition that concerned the team to the extent that they decided they had had enough.
This is why I argued that I would never have let him near the team to start with.
that is all very true, but this is a business right? Well if you are running a business you have to make sure that you have the proper personal to do so and have plan to obtain said personal when you are getting rid of an employee.
I agree he needed to go, but I am not blind to see we had no plan after he was gone.
And a lot posters on this board called for Gordons head when he left the team high and dry. Well, the FO left us high and dry by not getting a replacement before letting him go.
Ok, Duke said he’d like to play the slot, and he has very good hands, so we are leaving him on the bench as a RB and bringing in street WRs?
I agree. In camp he asked Hue to move to the receiver position but was deemed too valuable in the running backs room....LOL...what a joke. He is so valuable in that room he doesn't get but a few plays a game.
Stick Duke outside and start looking for a back to bring in to sit 98% of the plays and let Duke play 85% of the plays is what I'd do. But Nooooo, we need him on the bench.
Why did we even extend him?
I know facts aren't important in regards to a good Hue bashing, but Duke has played more snaps than either Hyde or Chubb in the past two games.
I would also like to point out that Haley is calling the plays. Hue called them the last two years and used Duke much more than Haley is.
Okay. The factual post is over. Back to your regularly scheduled Hate on Hue programming.
Where in the hell do you see me saying anything about Hue? Are you his mom? Why do you have this obsession with him? He’s a grown man, if he needs defending he can come here and do it himself.
He is a good player that we need and don't have a replacement for.
Sorry EVE but I have to disagree, cuz he is not a GOOD player. He is a player that had some talent...BUT... Good players show up in training camp. They show up to practice on time and give a 100%. He did not show any of these qualities and I'm glad to see him gone. We will miss his potential but we've been missing that for the last few years while he was suspended for his screw ups.
He is a good player that we need and don't have a replacement for.
Sorry EVE but I have to disagree, cuz he is not a GOOD player. He is a player that had some talent...BUT... Good players show up in training camp. They show up to practice on time and give a 100%. He did not show any of these qualities and I'm glad to see him gone. We will miss his potential but we've been missing that for the last few years while he was suspended for his screw ups.
He is a good player that we need and don't have a replacement for.
Sorry EVE but I have to disagree, cuz he is not a GOOD player. He is a player that had some talent...BUT... Good players show up in training camp. They show up to practice on time and give a 100%. He did not show any of these qualities and I'm glad to see him gone. We will miss his potential but we've been missing that for the last few years while he was suspended for his screw ups.
Ask the Patriots if he is a good player.
He maybe OK there, I don't know don't care screw him. They also felt the same way about Jamie Collins. Ask other Browns fans how they feel about either one of those players playing here.
Ok, Duke said he’d like to play the slot, and he has very good hands, so we are leaving him on the bench as a RB and bringing in street WRs?
I agree. In camp he asked Hue to move to the receiver position but was deemed too valuable in the running backs room....LOL...what a joke. He is so valuable in that room he doesn't get but a few plays a game.
Stick Duke outside and start looking for a back to bring in to sit 98% of the plays and let Duke play 85% of the plays is what I'd do. But Nooooo, we need him on the bench.
Why did we even extend him?
I know facts aren't important in regards to a good Hue bashing, but Duke has played more snaps than either Hyde or Chubb in the past two games.
I would also like to point out that Haley is calling the plays. Hue called them the last two years and used Duke much more than Haley is.
Okay. The factual post is over. Back to your regularly scheduled Hate on Hue programming.
Where in the hell do you see me saying anything about Hue? Are you his mom? Why do you have this obsession with him? He’s a grown man, if he needs defending he can come here and do it himself.
A couple of things.
1. I was replying to peen, not you.
2. I am not his mom, but I didn't realize that it was a crime to support a member of the Browns.
3. I reported "facts" to refute peen's speculations.
Jarvis Landry's next four opponents before the #Browns Week 11 bye: - TB: the most YPG allowed to slot WRs (172.8) - PIT: 2nd-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (141.5) - KC: 6th-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (108.2) - ATL: 5th-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (109.8)
Jarvis Landry's next four opponents before the #Browns Week 11 bye: - TB: the most YPG allowed to slot WRs (172.8) - PIT: 2nd-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (141.5) - KC: 6th-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (108.2) - ATL: 5th-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (109.8)
Jarvis Landry's next four opponents before the #Browns Week 11 bye: - TB: the most YPG allowed to slot WRs (172.8) - PIT: 2nd-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (141.5) - KC: 6th-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (108.2) - ATL: 5th-most YPG allowed to slot WRs (109.8)
Landry has a stretch of games where there is a great opportunity to be successful.
New team for Landry. Rookie QB. Ungodly amount of WR injuries all hitting in the space of 3 weeks. Josh being an jerk and not putting in any effort. . . . there are some very valid reasons for the status of the WR core and for Landry's below expectations performance.
Last 3 games - traveling west to Oakland, I don't recall how he played. Baltimore is a top D in the league and Chargers played a perfect game against us. I made a comment in the post game thread - the Chargers played the most complete team game against us that we've seen all year. They could go deep into playoffs especially with a return of 2 of their D starters.
Way too early to be hitting the panic button or suggesting Dorsey messed up.
Let's give Landry and Baker time to sync and develop a little chemistry. Let's see if Landry's drop rate regresses to his average (which I bet it will by season's end).
Let's see how these next 4 games shake out.
It's not all Baker, it's not all Landry, it's not all Haley. But they can each do better - and I am sure they will. Baker is going to have another game where he looks like a Rookie. He's going to have more games that make you think he's special. Just wait!
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
What would be interesting to see is his snap positions last week when we're down Higgins. I think Higgins was second in snaps in the slot, Njoku third. (not sure about this though)
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
He is a good player that we need and don't have a replacement for.
Sorry EVE but I have to disagree, cuz he is not a GOOD player. He is a player that had some talent...BUT... Good players show up in training camp. They show up to practice on time and give a 100%. He did not show any of these qualities and I'm glad to see him gone. We will miss his potential but we've been missing that for the last few years while he was suspended for his screw ups.
Ask the Patriots if he is a good player.
He maybe OK there, I don't know don't care screw him. They also felt the same way about Jamie Collins. Ask other Browns fans how they feel about either one of those players playing here.
It was starting to look like there was a set of rules for Gordon and a different set of rules for the rest of the team. How many players can get away with what he did and not be cut? I completely agree with his being traded. He could be the most talented WR in the league, but he could not be counted on. There just comes a time when it is best to cut bait.
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Jarvis Landry is being thrown in the role of the go to WR in this offense. problem is he lacks the skills of being a number #1. he cant get past safties. he cant beat double teams consistantly. hes,really over paid and over rated a bit.. not exactly a end zone threat.
Jarvis Landry says he must 'stay out of the numbers' to avoid becoming overly frustrated with his production
BEREA — Jarvis Landry's production through six games with the Browns doesn't match his resume as a three-time Pro Bowl wide receiver who signed a five-year, $75.5 million contract in April.
He has 31 catches on 66 targets for 392 yards and a touchdown. After catching seven of eight targets for 92 yards from rookie quarterback Baker Mayfield in the No. 1 overall draft pick's relief appearance Sept. 20 against the New York Jets, Landry has just 11 receptions on 29 targets for 114 yards and a touchdown in Mayfield's three starts.
The lack of production has frustrated Landry, who has dropped a few passes.
"I've just got to stay out of the numbers and keep my head focused on the task at hand and make the plays when they come," he said Thursday as the Browns (2-3-1) prepared for Sunday's road game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2-3).
"If you don't watch the game, you don't understand that some of the targets aren't catchable, are throwaways."
In Sunday's 38-14 loss to the Los Angeles Chargers, Landry had just two catches on nine targets for 11 yards.
Landry said he usually doesn't pay attention to his statistics, but now he can't go on social media without someone heckling him about them.
"I've just kind turned it off, but that's what I've got to do," he said. "... There's a bigger picture. What we're trying to accomplish, that stuff doesn't matter."
Without a major receiving threat to complement Landry, defenses often double-team him on third down, the money down for him throughout his first four NFL seasons with the Miami Dolphins. Rookies Antonio Callaway and Damion Ratley haven't demanded extra attention from opponents. Rashard Higgins has come closest to posing a consistent threat, but he's been sidelined with a sprained knee since the 12-9 overtime win over the Baltimore Ravens on Oct. 7.
"If you're a defensive coordinator and if there's one guy to stop and you just stop that one guy, your chances go up of winning the game, so why not try to stop that one guy and just see who else can beat you?" Landry said. "So everybody's going to have to make plays. The running game's going to have to get going, and we're going to have to be creative as an offense to find ways to give me one-on-one matchups, and I've got to win those."
Offensive coordinator Todd Haley said he's had a lot of good conversations with Landry in an effort to keep the player's head in the game.
"As frustrating as some things may be — the things that he can't control — he's got to continue to be a leader for us and go out and take every snap as if it's the most important play of the game because it could be and be ready for his opportunities and maximize those opportunities," Haley said. "He didn't do it [against the Chargers], but nobody else did it, either, including us as coaches."
Jarvis Landry is being thrown in the role of the go to WR in this offense. problem is he lacks the skills of being a number #1. he cant get past safties. he cant beat double teams consistantly. hes,really over paid and over rated a bit.. not exactly a end zone threat.
Yup.
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I'd rather Haley just keep him in the slot more where he made his name.
Jarvis Landry says he must 'stay out of the numbers' to avoid becoming overly frustrated with his production
Jarvis, Haley, & Baker need to work this out. Baker & Landry need to get comfortable with each other, build the chemistry, and get to know each other so their routes and passes are second nature. That takes time. Haley needs to make sure he's calling plays to help get the ball into Landry's hands. They'll work it out. He's one of the best weapons on the team and they're just not there yet. Can't wait until they are, then BOOM! Yards and scores.
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I don't care about the pay.... we're paying him whether he plays slot or outside or even CB. The money is going out no matter what (and it ain't our money). The ONLY thing that matters is whether or not he is being used where he will be most effective.
To that end, with us being so depleted, I asked the question I did because I can easily see him getting plopped into the X/Z roles because we have nobody else.
We're pretty healthy at TE now if DeValve is back - I'm thinking we should just run a lot of two TE sets with Njoku & DeValve with Landry and Callaway.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
To me, Landry doesn't have high-end speed or athleticism to be a #1 ... he can't run past you and he can't out jump or out muscle you.
He'd be a great #2 if we would have kept Gordon or draft a pure #1
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
Vice Grips will be fine ... he and Bake will figure it out ...
We installed a new O with a new OC and a new QB and two new RB’s and a shiny new toy at WR ...
We put a rookie UDFA at LT in the two weeks before the opener .... Josh decides C-town isn’t the place for him and forces our hand ,,, That forces our #3 WR on a rookie not even ready for that roll ... Then the rookies forced into the #2 roll when Higgins and then Willie go down ... And in between all of that the rookie QB comes in due to injury and plays good enough that he makes it impossible to turn back ....
Not only is there a lot of new moving parts on a weekly basis but there all young and inexperienced moving parts including at the QB position ...
This is gonna happen .... were gonna sputter ... especially when the rookie QB plays like a rookie QB ... and rookie qb’s are gonna play Iike rookie qb’s more often than not ... comes with the territory ...
Landry gets catches, he doesn't get yards and scores.
He will ...
I loved the Landry signing/trade. don't get me wrong, but he has never produced yards and scores in his entire career. Hes a reception freak, but his output after the catch etc. is lacking because of his lack of physical skills.
Just the type of player he is. Hes not going to give you something he cant do. Anything less that 90 catches a season is going to be disappointing. Last year at 112 catches he didn't even break 1000 yards. Hes not going to get you yards.
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